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Aswad -> RE: When does RACK cross the line? (7/21/2007 8:09:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Anyone else have good tips to share for damage control and risk management? 


Have no idea if they're good, but these are off the top of my head at 5am in the morning while waiting for the barbs to knock me out...

Meet the ambulance half-way if the patient can be moved safely. This can avoid most of the issue with press coverage, depending on the arrangement. If you have them on the line, you just keep moving toward each other, and eventually end up in the right area. Move the person quickly into the ambulance, then make sure all the participants are gone by the time the press follows you back.

Keep a chest compression unit and manual ventilator on hand. This combination can make the entire difference between an accident and a fatal accident, even with many trained CPR practicioners present, which the participants should be for any extreme event that may, but is not intended to, have dangerous outcomes.

Have a medical professional in the group who can assist in calling in something that will be responded to with appropriate speed and the right kind of equipment, but without the media being alerted, much in the vein of what you mentioned about "work accidents". Such a person may also be helpful in lowering the risk involved, as well as being able to Rx things that may be useful to the patient; e.g. a painkiller for an accidentally broken bone, epi-pen in case of allergies, and so forth.

Know what injuries require an ambulance, and which do not. Err on the side of caution, obviously. But peritonitis, if you live close to a hospital, is something you can drop off, rather than having picked up, provided you realize that you are on the clock. Cardiac arrest or respiratory failure generally requires an ambulance, but in some cases, there is little they can do that a chest compression unit and manual ventilator cannot, the principal difference being the time it takes to get to the hospital; a doctor in the party is a prerequisite to making a judgment call on that. The severity of bleeding depends on what has been cut, and in many cases proper application of pressure and such can allow you to drop off an injury yourself; obviously, this is not the case for major veins and arteries. With a doc present, saline can make a dropoff viable in cases where it normally wouldn't be.

Apart from this... direct lines, distractions, whatever keeps the media off your back.

Having the material (and balls) to blackmail politicians would be "evil", but useful. [:D]

The problem isn't so much that something happened. People get killed in traffic every day. Accidents happen in workplaces. We surround ourselves with risk and pretend it will not happen to us. But RACK knows better, and hits home (people are usually very distant about statistics). Limiting the fallout is important. Making sure nobody gets a chance to peg what should be yet another figure in the statistics on a specific group of people, in this case the BDSM community. But the risk is for each person to take on their own, unless they are willing to give up all their liberties for "protection".

Approximate quote: "S/he who is willing to give up essential liberty for safety, deserves neither."

Corollary / fact of life: Nor does s/he get either.




Sirandpet10 -> RE: When does RACK cross the line? (7/21/2007 8:13:59 PM)

Well, to the OP, my opinions on the topic.
 
I've searched (yes, that snazzy search function that I've learned about) RACK and didn't come up with much but someone was helpful enough to tell the thread what the acronym stands for and I came up with the rest myself.
 
I think that if two adults are consenting to it, then have fun! If that's your cup of tea, then go for it. As long as it doesn't break the law, I don't see a problem with it. If you don't like it/don't want to do it, don't. If you do, do. It's pretty simple, imo.
 
However, with that being said, I really don't think Master K would like to have his penis flayed...and I would not like to have my genitals mutilated. For us, that is a no-no. For others, it is not.
 
I've probably repeated what others have stated, but I felt like giving my opinion.
 
Twink--




MsCameron -> RE: When does RACK cross the line? (7/22/2007 6:58:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Anyone else have good tips to share for damage control and risk management? 


Have no idea if they're good, but these are off the top of my head at 5am in the morning while waiting for the barbs to knock me out...

Meet the ambulance half-way if the patient can be moved safely. This can avoid most of the issue with press coverage, depending on the arrangement. If you have them on the line, you just keep moving toward each other, and eventually end up in the right area. Move the person quickly into the ambulance, then make sure all the participants are gone by the time the press follows you back.

Keep a chest compression unit and manual ventilator on hand. This combination can make the entire difference between an accident and a fatal accident, even with many trained CPR practicioners present, which the participants should be for any extreme event that may, but is not intended to, have dangerous outcomes.

Have a medical professional in the group who can assist in calling in something that will be responded to with appropriate speed and the right kind of equipment, but without the media being alerted, much in the vein of what you mentioned about "work accidents". Such a person may also be helpful in lowering the risk involved, as well as being able to Rx things that may be useful to the patient; e.g. a painkiller for an accidentally broken bone, epi-pen in case of allergies, and so forth.

Know what injuries require an ambulance, and which do not. Err on the side of caution, obviously. But peritonitis, if you live close to a hospital, is something you can drop off, rather than having picked up, provided you realize that you are on the clock. Cardiac arrest or respiratory failure generally requires an ambulance, but in some cases, there is little they can do that a chest compression unit and manual ventilator cannot, the principal difference being the time it takes to get to the hospital; a doctor in the party is a prerequisite to making a judgment call on that. The severity of bleeding depends on what has been cut, and in many cases proper application of pressure and such can allow you to drop off an injury yourself; obviously, this is not the case for major veins and arteries. With a doc present, saline can make a dropoff viable in cases where it normally wouldn't be.

Apart from this... direct lines, distractions, whatever keeps the media off your back.

Having the material (and balls) to blackmail politicians would be "evil", but useful. [:D]

The problem isn't so much that something happened. People get killed in traffic every day. Accidents happen in workplaces. We surround ourselves with risk and pretend it will not happen to us. But RACK knows better, and hits home (people are usually very distant about statistics). Limiting the fallout is important. Making sure nobody gets a chance to peg what should be yet another figure in the statistics on a specific group of people, in this case the BDSM community. But the risk is for each person to take on their own, unless they are willing to give up all their liberties for "protection".


Really? And do you do all of these thing when you play?

This seems way over the top to me.

In 10 years, I have yet to hear of a BDSM related accident that required medical intervention and Toronto with surrounding area has a huge community. But I can tell you at least 20 incidents that happened from people having an accident in their own home.
The latest one was someone falling over their lawn mower and needing 12 stitches in their leg.

It seems to me that people are pretty well educated in safety.. at least in my area.

In all the parties I have given over the years, I have never been worried about the "fallout to the community". The responsibility is the hosts and the attendees alone.
As long as the law is not being broken and everything is consensual, it's nobody's business what happens at a private party. Not even the "community at large".

MC





MissSCD -> RE: When does RACK cross the line? (7/22/2007 7:27:14 AM)

I was getting ready to do a similiar post.  I will answer this one instead.
Without reading all the other comments, I will give you my opinion.
Rack as we know it has to obey the laws of the land.  That doesn't give any of us the right to harm an individual in my opinion.
There is the limit.
There is legal limits as well.  If you harm someone permanetly, they can prosecute.
The SSC on the other hand is a fine thing, and should be recognized in the beginning phases of your training in this life.  As you progress with skill, you can be more Rack. 
I think it boils down to this: knowlege of your sub/slave.  You need to be aware of their limits, their health, and their training as well.
The bottom line is we tend to put too on many labels.  Common sence works  much better.

Regards, MissSCD




Aswad -> RE: When does RACK cross the line? (7/22/2007 7:28:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsCameron

Really? And do you do all of these thing when you play?


No, Najakcharmer asked about ideas to limit fallout.

quote:


This seems way over the top to me.


For any regular play, yes.

For stuff that is really risky and can reflect poorly on the community, not so much.

quote:


In 10 years, I have yet to hear of a BDSM related accident that required medical intervention and Toronto with surrounding area has a huge community. But I can tell you at least 20 incidents that happened from people having an accident in their own home.


The context of my suggestion is breathplay, heavy bloodsports, castration, and a lot of non-ToS-compliant activities.

For regular play, I'd leave it at regular measures.

quote:


It seems to me that people are pretty well educated in safety.. at least in my area.


Not everyone wants to play safe, which was the context of my reply.

quote:


In all the parties I have given over the years, I have never been worried about the "fallout to the community". The responsibility is the hosts and the attendees alone.
As long as the law is not being broken and everything is consensual, it's nobody's business what happens at a private party. Not even the "community at large".


Breaking the law is potentially part of the context of my reply.

And it's still nobody's business.




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