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CelticPrince -> submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 12:27:58 PM)
When I sign on to CM like everyone else, the home page pops up and with it the "on" list of who we seek. I make it a point to read the full profile of that first one, in my case submissives. Recently the profiles appear to be changeing to a submissive claiming a need to serve as opposed to offering a gift of their submission. Question, is their a general cultural change going on of just my signing on at a time for "need" subs to be on?? CelticPrince

shyinini -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 12:36:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince Recently the profiles appear to be changeing to a submissive claiming a need to serve as opposed to offering a gift of their submission. Question, is their a general cultural change going on of just my signing on at a time for "need" subs to be on?? CelticPrince I had to go back to your profile and see how old you were and your history of WIITWD. I expected a "young un." How long have you not been reading profiles?? 1. It's a need to serve 2. It's a gift to give and serve 3. It's a natrual thing born into our personality 4. It's a thing to explore and try out if it sounds better on this side of the fence than on the other. 5. If one isnt quite sure which side of the fence they are on, they make 2 profiles. 6. It's a want to serve I dont see any culture change ! Maybe your rosey glasses just turned a differ shade Sir. Sir's blessed property

trustingsub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 12:39:58 PM)
very nicely said shyinini!

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 12:44:41 PM)
yes shy, it is all those things and more and I have probably been exposed to them since before you were born, but i cannot determine that for certain since you do not show a profile. cuckles, I use dark tint glasses that see through comments. thanks for your input. CP

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 12:52:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince When I sign on to CM like everyone else, the home page pops up and with it the "on" list of who we seek. I make it a point to read the full profile of that first one, in my case submissives. Recently the profiles appear to be changeing to a submissive claiming a need to serve as opposed to offering a gift of their submission. Question, is their a general cultural change going on of just my signing on at a time for "need" subs to be on?? CelticPrince It's probably just you happen to be around at the same as the need girls, but it could also be that a person who thinks of submission as a gift takes a lot of shit on these forums. However, my cynical guess is that they think it makes them look hotter. "Look at me, I need to serve!" Like the girls who claim to be nymphos and sex addicts without realizing how not fun those conditions actually are to have. But that could just be my cynical side acting up a bit.

earthycouple -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 1:03:09 PM)
Shy said it perfectly

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 2:01:11 PM)
AS , some good observations there, thanks for your input. CP

ELUSIVE1 -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 2:56:55 PM)
"gift of submission" -excuse me while I go puke...a gift is given,not taken back...how many 'submissives' still give their submission to the very first "Master" they had? please, take these 'gift wrapped' subs and amuse them, as for me, I will give up control to ONE who deserves my respect and has earned my trust...

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:01:07 PM)
My point exactly. It's much easier to say "I need to serve" then "I feel my submission is something valuable, akin to a gift" around here.

MadRabbit -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:02:52 PM)
I prefer my submissiion to be "Rent to Own" with a good refund and return policy

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:03:41 PM)
Yeah but that only works if you get a cool landlord.

GhitaAmati -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:11:37 PM)
Question.... I personally feel a "need" to submit...it is who I am inside..it is me. I see my submission as a gift, but one I only give to one person. Does it matter how I state it on my profile? Please dont see me as being dumb here...I admit I may be sometimes, but Im honestly curious this time, is there a difference in the semantics that much? ghita~

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati Question.... I personally feel a "need" to submit...it is who I am inside..it is me. I see my submission as a gift, but one I only give to one person. Does it matter how I state it on my profile? Please dont see me as being dumb here...I admit I may be sometimes, but Im honestly curious this time, is there a difference in the semantics that much? ghita~ People are going to tell you that you are being dumb. I agree with you though. I see a lot of the world as a gift. Every day with Valyraen is a gift. His ownership is a gift that enhances my life. Every day with my friends and family is a gift.

Missokyst -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:29:13 PM)
I never got into that "gift" idea. It makes me think of white elephant gift exchanges where you rewrap some thing and pass it on to the next person. I am not a gift. What I do is not a present for some new dom. It's just life and interaction. What do you do when the relationship is over? Take your gift and pass it on to the next dom, used. As you probably might imagine I also don't see submission as a need. It's just personality. And truth be told, I see what a dominant does for me as being the gift. Anyone that can reign me in and make me calm is a blessing. Kyst

GhitaAmati -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:31:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati Question.... I personally feel a "need" to submit...it is who I am inside..it is me. I see my submission as a gift, but one I only give to one person. Does it matter how I state it on my profile? Please dont see me as being dumb here...I admit I may be sometimes, but Im honestly curious this time, is there a difference in the semantics that much? ghita~ People are going to tell you that you are being dumb. I agree with you though. I see a lot of the world as a gift. Every day with Valyraen is a gift. His ownership is a gift that enhances my life. Every day with my friends and family is a gift. Its ok, Aqua...I get called dumb quite often around here...lmao... but really...whats the difference between using the word "gift" or "need"? Or is it that one equals doing it for a Doms pleasure and one equals doing it for a subs pleasure? Which to me doesnt really matter much because I truly believe the whole point of this lifestyle is matching up two people with contrasting "needs" so everyone gets happy and satisfied... whats the point in consensual slavery/submission if both sides arent enjoying it? If they arent getting their needs met they are gonna go somewhere else...because you are meeting their needs, they give you what you need...works both ways...gift/need two sides...both happen from both sides personal opinion above....flaming allowed and almost expected

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:32:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst And truth be told, I see what a dominant does for me as being the gift. Anyone that can reign me in and make me calm is a blessing. Kyst Exactly. Some of us see ourselves as blessings, and therefore a gift, to our owners as well. I know that Valyraen does consider my presence in his life to be a blessing and a gift.

AquaticSub -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:34:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati Its ok, Aqua...I get called dumb quite often around here...lmao... but really...whats the difference between using the word "gift" or "need"? Or is it that one equals doing it for a Doms pleasure and one equals doing it for a subs pleasure? Which to me doesnt really matter much because I truly believe the whole point of this lifestyle is matching up two people with contrasting "needs" so everyone gets happy and satisfied... whats the point in consensual slavery/submission if both sides arent enjoying it? If they arent getting their needs met they are gonna go somewhere else...because you are meeting their needs, they give you what you need...works both ways...gift/need two sides...both happen from both sides personal opinion above....flaming allowed and almost expected Most of the hatred towards the phrase seems to be "gifts come in boxes and can't be taken back", but in reality gifts of living things (which humans qualify as) can and are taken back if they aren't being taken care of. A lot also comes from the phrase simply being very overused, much like "slave belly" and "slave hunger", which I am personally sick of.

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:39:09 PM)
ELUSIVE, well I will not argue with your point but is there an answer to the question to be found there? CP

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:40:56 PM)
Rabbit, well that is a safe way to go CP!

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/21/2007 3:45:24 PM)
Missokyst, great cooment re which is the real gift as when a "D" takes on a submissive, he takes on alot of responsibility. Thanks for your thoughts. CP

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