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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/24/2007 10:37:19 PM   
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A lot of stuff about conscripts....


Consider that the average IQ of the Officer Corps *should be* around 120.




Farg, that's all?
The average Coast Guardsman is above that but they only take Cat egory 1 & 2's, the "cream of the crop."

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/24/2007 11:36:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		owner59, that is exactly what the left did do.  You must not have been paying attention back then, the Doonsbury guy even thought it was real.  I remember when it was new, every link and footnote off the page went to a joke site.  Great idea, lots of eyeball hits, somebody made a few  bucks from it.

In reality the Military does give a test that is comparable to IQ to everyone, even pilots in the Air Nat Guard.  Kerry and Bush both took the same test.  Bush scored higher.

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 5:55:11 AM   
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A *SMART* person wouldn't have let themselves be the figurehead for the failure in Iraq.



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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 7:20:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		IQ has fairly little to do with smarts, per se.

And Bush is actually a lot smarter once the camera is off, or so I've been told.

Please bear in mind that he only needs to do one out of two things to score big: either (a) postpone the worst consequences until the next non-Republican term so the fallout hits the other guy, people having too short an attention span to avoid associating it with that party, or (b) manage to put the nation into a state that can legitimately be declared a national crisis, so that he can postpone the next election "until the war on terror is done", which it will never be, since the Bush gov't and terrorists live in symbiosis.


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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 7:27:14 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 8:09:22 AM   
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owner59, that is exactly what the left did do.  You must not have been paying attention back then, the Doonsbury guy even thought it was real.  I remember when it was new, every link and footnote off the page went to a joke site.  Great idea, lots of eyeball hits, somebody made a few  bucks from it.

In reality the Military does give a test that is comparable to IQ to everyone, even pilots in the Air Nat Guard.  Kerry and Bush both took the same test.  Bush scored higher.


The left did no such thing.It was a joke,and a few people got fooled,and made retractions,including Trudeau.

That was it,no shenanigans,like what Fox news did,with a web site called"Insight"."Insight" is a wacko outfit owned by the Rev.Myung Moon(btw,the republicans love Moon,b/c he gives them so much financial support).Insight put out the bogus story,that Obama went to a  Madrasa (the extremist schools that teach hate),and Fox and the right wing echo chamber repeated it and repeated it.Rush Limbaugh and the ditto-heads talked and joked about it,Hannity chimed in and they all got lots of mileage from this scumbag technique.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/us/politics/29media.html?ex=1327726800&en=31220d67c5857349&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 


They all knew the story was bogus and still plowed on with this "swiftboating" of Obama.They all knew that putting Obama w/ terorist would work on people.This is as low as you can get,and it is pure rightwing.The douche bags at "Insight " also planted a story that Hillary Clinton was spreading this BS.And the righties buzzed over that lie too,for weeks.
This is how they(the rightwing underbelly types) do it.See link.

 http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/27/fox-caught-running-a-made-up-story-on-air/

Don`t forget the major assholes who conflate Barrack Obama ,with Osama Bin Laden, and mentioning his middle name constantly,which is Hussein.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ask4hAdNlM

Hussein,btw,is one of the most common names in the Muslim world.Like Peter or Mary ,in our culture.But the assholes know how bigoted and small-minded there audience is,and repeat Obamas full; name,with and accent on the"Hessian"part.This way they create associations with Saddam Hessian, a Madrasah ,scary middle east types and terrorist.And it`s worked.The republicans still repeat this brand of bullshit,shamelessly.

Is that anything like the bush IQ story?Nope.There was no well financed leftwing group,planting bogus stories(like Insight).There was no coordination by news outlets(like Fox) to fan the fake story,and repeat it forever(like neo-con talk radio).No,just a joke(and a good one),and retractions,and people moved on.

So,....Let`s forget all about facts,call bush a retard,and make ya`ll defend it.

We`ll repeat it forever,you`ll act outraged and defensive,and we`ll lie some more.Soon,nobody will know what`s true, what`s what,who`s who,and so on.The story seems so believable,just look at bush.We won`t even have to convince people,and we`ll just let ya`ll get mad.Ha!Then we`ll say that the truth must fall somewhere in the middle,like so often happens.Ca`mon,let`s have fun w/ this!

But ya`ll don`t have to worry much.We(normal,middle of the road Americans) don`t do swiftboating,we don`t have to.The stories about the 5 republican hooker scandles are true enough.The stories about Plamegate,Gonzogate,the disaster in Iraq,bush`s failures are true and don`t need spinning or fake Fox news stories.

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 8:19:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

And Bush is actually a lot smarter once the camera is off, or so I've been told.


That wouldn't be difficult. As Lex Luther once said to his assistant Otis, "it's amazing that brain can generate enough power to keep those legs moving."

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 8:36:07 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 10:46:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

owner59, that is exactly what the left did do.  You must not have been paying attention back then, the Doonsbury guy even thought it was real.  I remember when it was new, every link and footnote off the page went to a joke site.  Great idea, lots of eyeball hits, somebody made a few  bucks from it.

In reality the Military does give a test that is comparable to IQ to everyone, even pilots in the Air Nat Guard.  Kerry and Bush both took the same test.  Bush scored higher.


luckydog:
I am guessing that you are speaking of the GCT (General Classification Test), if I am mistaken please correct me.  How did you find these results and would you care to share this data with us?
thompson

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 10:54:42 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:01:49 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:01:50 AM   
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....that took less than 30 seconds to find. 


Not everyone who demands evidence really wants to see it.

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:05:36 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:09:29 AM   
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to serve this country.I believe that everyone that enjoys the benefits of this great nation must serve..They can tear this country apart not giving a dammmm.And professing to being americans..Some have never served a day in service to their country militarily or other wise...If all you can do is rant and not offer a viable solution and can''t stand my heat then get out of my kitchen..bounty

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:09:40 AM   
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Or, were you to look at thompsonx's profile you will see that he didn't grow up with computers and may not be as search savvy as the young turks.


I didn't grow up with computers either (ENIAC was too big to fit into my bedroom), but I am savvy enough to look at someone's posts over time and see the repeated pattern of demanding evidence, followed by silence or denial.

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:14:03 AM   
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IF I "perhaps" seem a bit rough on some,its because the refuse to answer a plain and simple question,What have they done
to serve this country.I believe that everyone that enjoys the benefits of this great nation must serve..They can tear this country apart not giving a dammmm.And professing to being americans..Some have never served a day in service to their country militarily or other wise...If all you can do is rant and not offer a viable solution and can''t stand my heat then get out of my kitchen..bounty


Those of us who have actually served in the military and long after, don't owe you a damn thing Bounty... including an answer to your insulting challenge. 
It must have been lonesome, winning the Vietnam war all by your big bad self, hmmmm?

And anyone has as much right as you do to disagree with politicians in this country, whether you give them permission to do so or not.

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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:18:38 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:18:50 AM   
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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:25:33 AM   
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IF I "perhaps" seem a bit rough on some,its because the refuse to answer a plain and simple question,What have they done
to serve this country.I believe that everyone that enjoys the benefits of this great nation must serve..


Sounds like you believe in TWO CLASSES, those who have served, and everyone else.

UNFORTUNATELY, that directly opposes THIS TEXT:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Y'all *do* recognize that text, don't you?


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RE: Restoring the draft - 7/25/2007 11:27:31 AM   
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where did you serve behind a typewriter


It is easy to claim hero status from behind a computer, although quite frankly none of the many HSLD types I've known over the years were so insecure that they had to bring up their ancient history constantly to prop up failing argumentum ad hominem...

Even easier to claim that someone else is a coward without knowing anything about them except that they called you on your bullshit. 

Why don't you draw on some of those 30 years experience, and prove your claim about me?

Here or in person will be fine.

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