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KarbonCopy -> Serious Question. (6/24/2005 10:02:00 PM)

My fiancee and I have run into a serious problem since we've started our 24/7 D/s relationship.
Ever since we started the arrangment it seems that the desire to have sex has completely gone out the window.

Lately, my fiancee has been attending therapy for various reasons, and a fairly good/valid point has been brought up by her therapist. The therapist explained to her that with the kind of relationship that my fiance and I had created for ourselves, we'd inadvertantly turned our relationship into a sort of, Mother/Son relationship, with all the responsibility on her, and all the descision making left up to her. The therapist explained that mothers dont want to have sex with their sons, so why should she be attracted to me?

We're wondering if anyone else out there, has run into any silmilar problems, we're both very interested in keeping in the lifestyle, but we need to find a way to make it work.

Even though alot of D/s relationships are non-sexual, ours was sexual, and it is important to both of us to stay sexually attracted to eachother.




KarbonCopy -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 10:06:54 PM)

oops




fp2012 -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 10:43:27 PM)

Wow, you bring up a good point. I never even thought of that (being the submissive in my relationship). I've talked to my Master about this topic though, and he feels that even though he has responsibility over me, it's at the same time very freeing for him. Now ours isn't 24/7, so I can't exactly help in that area... I suggest reading Screw the Roses Send Me the Thorns if you haven't already. It's one of my favs and has some great insights. Hope everything works out for you!
Cheers,
~fp




KarbonCopy -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:07:54 PM)

Thanks alot. I'm not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree here, but I dont suppose this situation would be the same with the male master, and the female sub. Only cause I know how the guy's mind works lol. Men by nature are dominant, but women are nurturers. (sp?) Therefore it might jump start some kind of motherly instinct that is completely unwanted.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:08:25 PM)

When I had the responsibility of supervising the lives of My children, it was not a power exchange. It was more of a parental responsibility on My side. And, of course, I loved them and worried about them and made sure that all was well.
With a slave boy, I do not ever think of that relationship in a parental sense. So I would not personally have that problem. I want the power and control, and along with that comes the responsibility. But it is very different responsibility than the relationship I had with My children when they were growing up.
I have never had a problem distinguishing between what I consider two entirely different relationships. I am, honestly, having a hard time relating to putting that relationship in a Mother/son scenario. For Me it is very simple. Domina/slave. I never considered My children to be My slaves. Or even My submissives. I just expected them to show the reasonable respect I raised them to show and guided them to become the productive citizens they are today.
There are some cross over idealogies with Parent/child and Dominant/slave, but I would never confuse the two. There are also too many differences. Much of it is based on emotion, and the emotions are different.
I am tired...I am not happy with this post. I am not sure I even just made a whole lot of sense.
Maybe I can do better tomorrow. I will be interested to see what others have to say.




AAkasha -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:12:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

My fiancee and I have run into a serious problem since we've started our 24/7 D/s relationship.
Ever since we started the arrangment it seems that the desire to have sex has completely gone out the window.

Lately, my fiancee has been attending therapy for various reasons, and a fairly good/valid point has been brought up by her therapist. The therapist explained to her that with the kind of relationship that my fiance and I had created for ourselves, we'd inadvertantly turned our relationship into a sort of, Mother/Son relationship, with all the responsibility on her, and all the descision making left up to her. The therapist explained that mothers dont want to have sex with their sons, so why should she be attracted to me?

We're wondering if anyone else out there, has run into any silmilar problems, we're both very interested in keeping in the lifestyle, but we need to find a way to make it work.

Even though alot of D/s relationships are non-sexual, ours was sexual, and it is important to both of us to stay sexually attracted to eachother.


Are both people not interested in sex? Any kind of sex?
Do either masturbate? (ie, desire to orgasm is still there -- but just not sex).

Other people have given some opinions. I'm not sure about the length of your relationship, but it could also be a natural progression, and it's at a point that the lust just isn't there. Post-infatuation? Kind of in a routine?

Are you sexually attracted to other people?

Akasha




KarbonCopy -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:23:11 PM)

Akasha: We are both interested in sex that, I still want sex, and she wants to want to have sex.

We've been together for about 2 and a half years. I dont believe she masturbates, seeings how she doesnt want sex. she doesnt even want it with other people. Its not that she's not just interested in having sex with me, its just doesnt want sex. Problem is, she wants to want to. you know?

When we first got together, we had sex every chance we got, experimented, played with different things, but now *shrugs*.




AAkasha -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:26:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

Akasha: We are both interested in sex that, I still want sex, and she wants to want to have sex.

We've been together for about 2 and a half years. I dont believe she masturbates, seeings how she doesnt want sex. she doesnt even want it with other people. Its not that she's not just interested in having sex with me, its just doesnt want sex. Problem is, she wants to want to. you know?

When we first got together, we had sex every chance we got, experimented, played with different things, but now *shrugs*.


Are you sure she doesn't masturbate? Just for kind of "maintenance orgasms"?

If not, has she changed any medications? Birth control? That sometimes leads to a lack of sex drive.

Akasha




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:30:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

Akasha: We are both interested in sex that, I still want sex, and she wants to want to have sex.

We've been together for about 2 and a half years. I dont believe she masturbates, seeings how she doesnt want sex. she doesnt even want it with other people. Its not that she's not just interested in having sex with me, its just doesnt want sex. Problem is, she wants to want to. you know?

When we first got together, we had sex every chance we got, experimented, played with different things, but now *shrugs*.


Well, if the therapist knows this, then I have a hard time understanding how that lack of interest can equate to the D/s relationship. Your finacee doesn't want to have sex at all. Even as a single Mom (after I was divorced) I still wanted to have sex with boys. It had nothing to do with My relationship with My children.
Perhaps the next move would be to get physically checked out. She might be depressed. But there is definitely something going on if there is no interest in any sexual actiivity with anybody.
I see you are only 19 yourself. Is your fiancee in a similar age range?




KarbonCopy -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:33:34 PM)

Akasha: No I just asked her, and she wouldnt lie about it, we're trying to get help about this. No masturbation. We thought it could be birth control, but she's tried both kinds. When we first met she was on the shot, then the drive went away after a year or so, then we switched to the pill. Nothing.

GoddessDustyGold: It was a suggestion that it could be the D/s relationship. We both in fact suffer from depression, mine is nothing i'm not used to, but hers she's seeing a therapist for.

Oh and she's 22.




IndigoDadesi -> RE: Serious Question. (6/24/2005 11:50:53 PM)

I just thought I'd pop in and clarify a few things here.

My therapist suggested that my problem could be caused by a sub-conscious or unconscious idea that the dynamics of our relationship are too similar to mother/son for me to be sexually attracted to my fiance. The reason Karbon is asking is to find out if others have experienced the same thing. We'd like to find out how much truth there is to the theory (generally speaking).

Side note: At the moment we are waiting to hear from the doc to find out the results of some hormonal testing that I got done.




AAkasha -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 12:02:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IndigoDadesi

I just thought I'd pop in and clarify a few things here.

My therapist suggested that my problem could be caused by a sub-conscious or unconscious idea that the dynamics of our relationship are too similar to mother/son for me to be sexually attracted to my fiance. The reason Karbon is asking is to find out if others have experienced the same thing. We'd like to find out how much truth there is to the theory (generally speaking).

Side note: At the moment we are waiting to hear from the doc to find out the results of some hormonal testing that I got done.


Hmm, I'm not sure if this makes an sense or is valid -- but is there a way to determine if the lack of sex drive is "in general" or just in your relationship (because of the dynamic your therapist suggests). For example, do you get sexually excited by the idea of sex with some fantasy ideal (ie whatever actor or performer you find incredibly hot) or someone you did not have the mother/son dynamic with?

That's the reason I asked about masturbation. I've had dips in my sexual desire with a particular partner but still masturbated on the side (so the sex drive was there), and I've had dips in my sex drive that included a lack of interest in masturbation or orgasming at all -- which seemed to indicate a more general disinterest in sex for that time period.

Akasha





KarbonCopy -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 12:05:03 AM)

Akasha: I know for me I pretty much get more out of fantasising about Indigo, rather than some fantasy ideal. I know it sounds cheesy. But I barely even look at cute girls on the street. I'm not one to gaze.




IndigoDadesi -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 12:20:17 AM)

If the lack of sex drive is something that can happen with this sort of lifestyle, we figure collarme would be the place to ask, thats what I meant by generally speaking.

Like I said though, Im anxiously waiting on the results of my test. I just hope they find something so I KNOW what is wrong.




MstrssPassion -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 5:46:07 AM)

Hmmmm...

I would check into finding a therapist that is 'lifestyle' friendly. I know they exist, a friend of mine in the Tampa area advertises on a kink-friendly directory http://www.bannon.com/kap/

I would be happy to contact him & see if he may know of someone in your area.

The reason I suggest this is that if a person who is not D/s is asked to sum up what a D/s relationship is & how it makes us feel... they will more than likely be way off track on there depiction of such.

MstrssPassion





fillepink -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 6:06:22 AM)

lots of things can lower a woman's libido, and for the most part, dr's and therapists do not take it seriously. a bit of advocacy is necessary...a healthy sex drive is her right and part of her quality of life. there are drugs for depression that often lower libido past the point where a woman can even imagine having sex. if the age difference between Y/you is only 3 years i sincerely doubt she feels she is a "mother" to you..so i would not worry over-much about that. just keep demanding answers and seeking help, it's available and she's entitled to it. fillepink

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Oumae -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 6:36:55 AM)

Do you two feel yourselves that your relationship dynamic is like mother/son?

Maybe try to look objectively at your relationship and see where changes might help. I'm not privy to your dynamic or what happens but if you don't already...what if you Karbon start anticipating some of your Domme's needs/desires rather than waiting for orders such as organise a pamper night for her. Some Dommes like subs with initiative and it may help her feel less like a Mom.

Thats just one suggestion and you may do it already.

Oumae




MemphisDsCouple -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 6:45:15 AM)

A few free association thoughts that come to mind after reading the OP:

1. Read the story in last week's USA Today about marriage therapists, about how many of them are not committed to saving marriages, about how there is a movement within that profession to identify therapists who *are* committed to saving the relationship so people can know they are going to a therapist who has that value, and I think you will understand my opinion that therapists often cause more problems than they help solve. And, even in the most favorable light, all you can say about therapists is that they can *help* solve a problem. They can't actually solve a problem. That is up to the individual or couple with the problem. You might want to just run away as fast as you can from this "therapist". This thing about the mother/son conclusion indicates a kink unfriendly therapist, at least that's my first impression. (No matter what the therapist actually *says* to you about how he/she isn't prejudiced about kink.)

2. Solve your own problem. Take a hard look at the situation. If this developed after you two incorporated a power dynamic into your relationship, then there is a good chance the power dynamic is causing (at least some of) the problems. Maybe this type of power dynamic is not right for you. This is what the therapist is saying but I don't like the therapist's take on it. It seems to indicate prejudice to me. The therapist would sound a lot more unbiased to me if he/she just said, hey this isn't working for you two instead of bringing up some mother/son thing with all the incest and negative connotations that come hand-in-hand with that analogy.

3. This story points out how difficult and demanding it is to be the dominant in a relationship. The responsibility can seem overwhelming. The duties are endless. The burden is heavy. Personally, it fits my personality. I thrive in that environment. But not everyone does. In fact, I think few do. You read/hear much more often about how difficult it is to submit. But this story reveals the truth, which is that it is just as difficult to be the dominant in a relationship - just in different ways.

4. Did the woman adopt the dominant role because she was asked to do so, rather than gravitating to it naturally? Is this something the man wanted so much that she adopted this role to please him? Is she, then, the submissive acting the dominant role? And is he the dominant demanding domination? I think this happens a lot in relationships. I think it happens on both sides of the gender "coin" but I think it happens more often in situations like the one described in the OP. How many dominant women dominate to serve?

Good luck.


quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

My fiancee and I have run into a serious problem since we've started our 24/7 D/s relationship.
Ever since we started the arrangment it seems that the desire to have sex has completely gone out the window.

Lately, my fiancee has been attending therapy for various reasons, and a fairly good/valid point has been brought up by her therapist. The therapist explained to her that with the kind of relationship that my fiance and I had created for ourselves, we'd inadvertantly turned our relationship into a sort of, Mother/Son relationship, with all the responsibility on her, and all the descision making left up to her. The therapist explained that mothers dont want to have sex with their sons, so why should she be attracted to me?

We're wondering if anyone else out there, has run into any silmilar problems, we're both very interested in keeping in the lifestyle, but we need to find a way to make it work.

Even though alot of D/s relationships are non-sexual, ours was sexual, and it is important to both of us to stay sexually attracted to eachother.





Mylee -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 7:30:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

Akasha: No I just asked her, and she wouldnt lie about it, we're trying to get help about this. No masturbation. We thought it could be birth control, but she's tried both kinds. When we first met she was on the shot, then the drive went away after a year or so, then we switched to the pill. Nothing.

GoddessDustyGold: It was a suggestion that it could be the D/s relationship. We both in fact suffer from depression, mine is nothing i'm not used to, but hers she's seeing a therapist for.

Oh and she's 22.




How long has she been off the shot? When I went off the shot it SOOO killed all sex drive for about 6months, I didnt even care to self serve, sure I still looked at men , but I just had no desire for sex of any kind, it took a while for my hormones (sp?) to get back in fully and kicking

Anyway, I'm very sorry foryour problem, I'm wishing you the very best and I hope your able to work this out

~me'lee




sudja -> RE: Serious Question. (6/25/2005 8:09:56 AM)

The therapist is clueless. The D/s dynamic is not about parenting (unless folks want it to be).

Find a therapist knowledgeable about "the lifestyle" and take it from there.

sudja




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