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farglebargle -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:12:39 AM)

What's a drug?

You can get a prescription for Oxygen, can't you?





chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:16:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado


OK.

So put people who have never taken a drug or psychotropic substance of any kind, in one group, and everyone else, from those on prescription medicine, aspirin, the occasional sip of alcohol, etc. in another group, along with the junkies and alcoholics.

Then look at how dangerous the worst examples of drug and alcohol abuse are as parents and BDSM players.

How useful is that overgeneralization?







uhh how useful is the overgeneralization of "put them with the junkies and alcoholics" like we're some kind of lepers to be used as punishment?  for the record those of us who believe the disease of addiction exist continue to refer to ourselves as addicts and alcoholics long after we get clean...making a distinction between a using, clean and a recovering addict....




GhitaAmati -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:35:20 AM)

I feel it is everyone out there's right to get just as high and as drunk as they want to when they play.....but I also see it as my right to refuse to play with you when you're trashed. I also see it as a bar or clubs perogative to outlaw scening by patrons who have had a drink. Its their place, they can make the rules, if you want to drink before a scene, go do it at a private party where the host doesnt care. You and your partner make the rules about that kind of thing, if you agree to play drunk or stoned, more power to ya, but if you are playing at someone else's place, you have to follow their rules, if you dont like the rules then leave. This goes the opposite way too, if you DONT agree to people playing drunk and stoned, and you are at a place where that is ok...find another place to go. Your house, your rules, someone elses house, their rules. Plain and simple.

With that said, I do play after a few beers or a mixed drink occasionally. But only in places where it is considered OK, and only with my Sir and M*, two Doms I trust with my life and know my body well enough to know what it can handle. I also have a few beers before plain old vanilla sex sometimes too...and sometimes I have a few beers before watching a football game...and sometimes I have a few beers before...well..anything....that doesnt involve firearms and vehicles. I dont hunt drunk and I dont drive drunk. But what I do in my own home on the weekends my kids are with grandma is my own business.

ghita the lush~

~~edited to fix grammer...obviosly I dont need a few to be impaired...




MHOO314 -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:37:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

IMHO those 4 words should never be used together in the same sentence or in the same frame of mind---


Huh?


I do not believe that drugs have a place in the life and the lifestyle should never be mixed with drugs---that is however My own opinion that I do enforce in My relationships.




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:40:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado


OK.

So put people who have never taken a drug or psychotropic substance of any kind, in one group, and everyone else, from those on prescription medicine, aspirin, the occasional sip of alcohol, etc. in another group, along with the junkies and alcoholics.

Then look at how dangerous the worst examples of drug and alcohol abuse are as parents and BDSM players.

How useful is that overgeneralization?







uhh how useful is the overgeneralization of "put them with the junkies and alcoholics" like we're some kind of lepers to be used as punishment?  for the record those of us who believe the disease of addiction exist continue to refer to ourselves as addicts and alcoholics long after we get clean...making a distinction between a using, clean and a recovering addict....



Are you trying to be obtuse, or is sarcsm simply over your head?




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:42:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

IMHO those 4 words should never be used together in the same sentence or in the same frame of mind---


Huh?


I do not believe that drugs have a place in the life and the lifestyle should never be mixed with drugs---that is however My own opinion that I do enforce in My relationships.


You are clearly not alone...and I wish you good luck in finding others who have never taken so much as an aspirin, since 'never used a drug' means exactly that.

But what 'those 4 words' are you referring to?




MHOO314 -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:47:37 AM)

Drugs---in --the --lifestyle
 
and I for one know to what drugs I refer and aspirin, tylenol, heart meds aren't on the list---I refer to the hardcore illegal stuff and I add to that prescribed painkillers--I've seen that impair judgement one time too many---as I said it is My personal opinion and choice.




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 9:59:31 AM)

All of which goes back to the fact that we should be discussing impairment and possible harm and not relying upon labels that people can't even agree upon.
(Thanks for clearing up the 4 words).




popeye1250 -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:04:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: witchywoman313
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
There are 3 fraternity brothers sitting in state prison because of their excessive drinking hazing ritual. The drink they made their pledge drink? Water. 

Ignorance kills - somtimes I wonder why dead bodies aren't strewn all over the streets.


Id like to here more about the pledge drink water story.  Drinking too much water too fast can be extreamly dangerous, it can even kill you.  Ive heard its even come into popularity as a way to commit suicide.


Turns out four went to jail, not three.
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They were forced pushups and trivia quizzes. Through it all, the Carrington and Quintana were ordered to drink from a five-gallon jug of water, which was filled over and over. Fans blasted icy air on their wet bodies. They urinated and vomited on themselves. Then, according to DA Ramsey, something went terribly wrong.
Carrington collapsed and started a seizure. Fraternity members didn't initially call an ambulance. By the time they did, it was too late. Carrington was taken to Enloe Medical Center, where his heart stopped. At about 5 a.m. he was pronounced dead from water intoxication, which caused the swelling of his brain and lungs. Not a single fraternity brother was there, a fact that still haunts his mother.

The Butte County courtroom of Judge Stephen Benson was awash in red, the color worn by family and friends of Matthew Carrington to honor him. Gabriel Maestretti, deeply religious as a boy, had never been in trouble before. Yet, according to the district attorney, he was the most culpable in Carrington's death. He stood before the judge, baby-faced, with the physique of a linebacker, choking back tears.
"I did what I did out of a misguided sense of building brotherhood, and instead I lost a brother. I will live with the consequences of hazing for the rest of my life," Maestretti told the court. "My actions killed a good person, and I will be a felon for the rest of my life, and I'll have to live with that disability, but I'm alive and Matt's not. "
Moments later, Maestretti and three of his fraternity brothers -- John Fickes, 20, Carlos Abrille, 22, and Jerry Lim, 25 -- were handcuffed and led off to jail.

Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5012154



Damn, do they still have "Fraternities" these days?
Do the "Frat Boys" wear Beanies?
I thought a lot of that stuff went out of fashion after WW2.
I saw a program on the History Channel and it said that; " returning combat veterans just had no interest in being "hazed" or joining these organisations after going through the real thing when they enrolled in colleges and universities after the war." (paraphrase)
They seem kind of trivial, a holdover from the early 1900's "23 skidoo" days.
When I hear the word "Fraternities" I get a picture of Rudy Valle in a bearskin coat playing a eukalailie and drinking out of a silver flask of whisky! lol
A bunch of young guys getting drunk and in trouble and doing stupid things.
Just too foolish for me.




Rover -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:08:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

A bunch of young guys getting drunk and in trouble and doing stupid things.
Just too foolish for me.


As opposed to the non-fraternity guys who were engaged in meaningful conduct like getting drunk, in trouble and doing stupid things.
 
John
 
P.S. - I'm guessing both the fraternity guys and non-fraternity guys might also have been fixated on getting laid.




chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:11:28 AM)

i can't say what i want to say...
i got your sarcasm, i also think that the point of reference you used was overlygeneralized...if said point of reference does not have a consistant meaning or outcome then the sarcasm is not valid...let me give you an example......
Saying phrases that are opposite to the expected phrase, then adding evidence to it, even though it is not really meant. For example "I actually did want to get food poisoning. It was SO much fun!" (stolen from wikipedia) However if you said "I actually did want to get food to eat.  It was SO much fun!" not only is it not humorus (the main point of sarcasm as indicated by several dictionaries) it just looks stupid...
my point was that not all "junkies and alcoholics" are still using...and if they don't choose to tell you that they are an addict or alcoholic in recovery you probably won't know it......therefore it does not have consistant meaning or outcome
good luck with your sarcasm
end lesson
chelle out
one to beam




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:14:03 AM)

No, you did not get my sarcasm at all, if you think the 'junkies and alcoholics' was anything but a swipe at people who use labels like that. 
You are like the people who actually believe that Randy Newman hates short people.




GhitaAmati -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:21:30 AM)

Randy Newman doesnt hate short people?





chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:21:50 AM)

so now junkies and alcoholics are not allowed to call themselves that...shit...i must be screwed...

ETA: whoops, unathorized proper use of sarcasm, delete this from your minds or your brain will explode....

wait...i can't stop being sarcastic...must be something in the water...




mnottertail -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:23:23 AM)

well it wasn't clear as to whether if you were only one or another or if you had to be a combination of the two, perhaps we should call for clarification.




chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:26:37 AM)

personally. i do not make a distinction between the two...it is merely based on your drug of choice within the disease of addiction...junk typically refers to heroin and alcohol usually refers to water and ethanol in some combonation...so if there were some other name besides crack-head i would go with that...crackhead just doesn't have the romanticized notions that junkie and alcoholic do....so i am just an addict, who identifies as a group with other addicts who may or may not choose to call themselfs junkies or alcoholics...




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:26:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

so now junkies and alcoholics are not allowed to call themselves that...shit...i must be screwed...

ETA: whoops, unathorized proper use of sarcasm, delete this from your minds or your brain will explode....

wait...i can't stop being sarcastic...must be something in the water...



Hey, I'm not the one trying to bully people with a dead guy on the other thread.




chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:27:55 AM)

i didn't know he was dead!! and there is someone else who owns the copywrite so i am not that bad...the point was they were committing copywrite infringement, which in my life is a good cause for an un-spanking....which is horrible....




Alumbrado -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:30:30 AM)

No, your point was transparently the same sort of bullying as you just tried to pull here...being offended on behalf of someone else.




chellekitty -> RE: Drugs in the lifestyle (7/24/2007 10:36:25 AM)

did you read the whole post or just the parts you wanted to? cause in that other post it was a ps which is like a side note but written post script....either way not the main point of the post...and as a writer myself, though amature it may be, little things like copywrite mean a lot to me...not to mention my moral compass is invariably right (that was sarcasm again)...and i take offence at being lumped in with using addicts active in thier addiction...you may not have meant to throw me in that pot, but you did...so...i was offended on behalf of myself...and if using logic and reason and common definitions is bullying...omg i am a bully (more sarcasm)




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