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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/12/2007 11:34:50 AM   
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very true... one man's garbage is another man's treasure.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/12/2007 11:39:04 AM   
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I can't relate to that because I don't consider anyone garbage :)

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/12/2007 11:43:08 AM   
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and it was a figure of speech. :)

However, a pathological liar is probably not going to change much from one relationship to another.  (Now before i get jumped on for that, i am not saying the OPs guy is a pathological liar).... i am just sayin... sometimes paterns and traits do not change regardless of how much one wishes they would.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/12/2007 8:22:33 PM   
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Hi LacyD,

I can somewhat relate to your situation..but not on such grand scale...
With me... the person who wanted to regain my trust worked hard for it, because as you are I was angry, hurt and distrustful. He succeeded I must say and I'm very glad for it.. .very happy for it. But it didn't take a day, two, week or even a month... It took a long time for me to be able to ease up and trust him again... and I still have issues and fear of getting hurt again the same way.

I always say... earn your second chance and I'll give it... but you will never get a third.
It's not easy, but you must decided for yourself if it's worth it. Not just trust him because you are a trusting person but because he earns it. This has nothing to do with Dom/sub dynamic, but human relationships which are based on trust.

I wish you all best.
'violet'


P.S. Perhaps should have read the rest of the posts AND checked the original date of it ... heh

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 4:53:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LacyD
As I said he is a BUSY guy.





yes very busy, obviously...
sorry. i am soooo sinister.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 5:00:14 AM   
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you have two jobs, kids and HE is busy, busy, busy..

but he is not too busy that he had time to sneak off to see this other sub. Oh I get it now.

Don't tell me 'he was GOING to tell me about it' right before he got caught too?

busy, busy days he must have all that worry and work. Lying is a lot of work.






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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 9:59:17 AM   
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He's busy getting busy, apparently.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 10:12:16 AM   
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i would say sayings like a leopard dont change its spots etc are phrases for a good reason. People can change of course but only if they want to and not because they were found out. It is possable he was deciding on you of course as he did end the other girl BUT after 2 years?? it is hardly a drunken moment which he now regrets is it? I myself never lie and cheat for 2 reasons, its not right and once done the second time would be easyier to do. I believe thinking of the values of your kids is very valid and if you need that as a reason then use that one but if it were me the fact you did it to me would be reason enough to leave.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 11:35:01 AM   
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Well, your decision will be what you can or can't manage. However, I will ask this one question...

Do you still look back on the first boy to break your heart with anger? If you don't, then I'd suggest that we hold power over our memories and our emotions. Most of us just don't want to admit this because then, it makes us responsible for those negative feelings we have and darn it all if it isn't easier to just blame someone else!

Will you wonder? Sure you will. Can you overcome that difficulty? You can, but only if you want to. If you don't... if you want to feed the insecurity that this situation has caused in you, you will continue to feed you and your feelings. The end result will undoubtedly be that you can't move past this time in your life. However, if you accept the premise that you and you alone are responsible for your feelings, you'll read a point where worrying won't be the first thing you wake up doing in the morning nor the last thing you do as you're falling asleep at night. You CAN move past it AND keep the relationship you have.But only if you want to.

The one thing that people who say "I'll trust you until you lie to me" either forget or don't want to acknowledge is that just because someone hasn't lied, doesn't mean they won't. It just means they haven't. Donald_the_Dom may appear to be honest as the day is long and simply not have had the reason to lie yet...so the risk you take is the same whether they do or do not lie...Mostly it comes down to what you want to deal with and what you don't. That's it - that's all...and all the other stuff is just the excuses for rationalizing the decision to walk away.

Walk away.. Don't walk away...it's up to you.

juliet

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 11:56:42 AM   
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I agree anyone can change but you have to truly want to change for it to happen...I am someone who has been BURNT far to many time & to TRUST & RESPECT someone enough to submit to them is a huge thing for me because it takes a great deal to earn my trust & even more to keep it...And IF you hurt me like so many have plan on it being a really really long road & a big fight to get that back!
~serenity

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/13/2007 12:21:58 PM   
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Hi I don't post here often. lol! This is my very first post!

I have been a collard slave to my Master for over a year. He has always been a busy man. He works for the evil empire as a software developer, he is divorced... has kids. I am divorced and have kids work two jobs.

We have not integrated our families but have met each-others children and had planned to do so soon.

Last week I got an email from a woman telling me that she has been my Masters sub for over two years.(so before he even met me) and she thought I should know about her.

I confronted him. he didn't even flinch and said yes she was but he had told her he couldn't play anymore the week before because he only wanted me.(that is why she contacted me. She told me she wants him back.) He said he didn't love her, she was not nor never was his slave, and she was not collared nor ever was.(I chatted with her briefly and she agreed to all but the I Love you part she said he told her he loved her.) He denys it though says he always said affectionate things to her.

He told me it was selfish of him to not tell me about her, but that they played only when I was not available as a release and that even then it was not often. He said he had planed on ending it when he met me but it just took him awhile. (He is horrid at ending any type of relationship, one of his weaknesses, and I have seen the affects in other non play relationships of his life.)

We play with other couples and woman, so I am not sure how I should take this. He did collar me and not her.

I am ANGRY and HURT he didn't tell me. But he has been putting such an effort in, to secure/sooth me... apologizing, remorse, guilt etc. I am seriously wanting to give him a second chance. but part of me feels foolish to do so.

Can trust in a M/s relationship be rebuilt after something like this? Our relationship has been built solely on trust. Now I am constantly thinking he is off with some other sub when I have my kids...

Any help would be appreciated.
Lacy.

PS. I asked if I could take my collar off until I decided what I wanted to do with this situation. He was not happy... but it is off and I have it in my pocket wherever I go..

PSS... I know all the don't trust someone when trust has been broken stuff... but I am forgiving and trusting by nature... some of my best friendships are so becuase I forgave stupid things they did. accepted them for who they are instead of judging them. It is just our relationship is so diffrent than a vanilla friendship.
Without reading any of the other replies I'm assuming many have said about what I'm going to say.  But, I also asusme most of the replies are from women and I thought I'd give you a man's opinion.

First, I understand your devotion to this man, and I also can relate to the attraction of his kids and your kids getting together and you all having a great day together.

But, aside from the good things in this relationship, don't overlook the things that were hidden from you, and for how long.  And, when you confronted him with the information the other woman told you, his reaction was non emotional.  That should tell you something.  (1), he either expected her to contact you, or (2) he's had it happen before, so it wasn't an emational exchange for him as it was for you.

I'd think either choice would not be good, because with the first choice, she knew about you, but you didn't know about her.  If he was being fair and open about things, you both would know about each other.  And, in the second option, he didn't even try to act upset that she told you or concerned that you might be hurt.

Now, you can go back to him if you want, but trust is a very difficult thing to repair.  Oh, you can get back together and act like it's behind you, but there will always be those little things that happen down the way that will make you wonder if he's doing it again.  Phone calls he hangs up on,  mysterious times when he isn't where he should be, or where he said he would be.  I could go on, but I think you get the point I'm making.

He has done this before, and he will do it again, when he has found someone he enjoys better than you.  You think he didn't collar that other woman, but I think he did.  I think he was seeing her for quite some time and then found you and before he told her about you, he was two timing the both of you.  The reason he dropped her was because she was the one who had found out.  You were still in the dark and oblivious to his ways.

He might be someone you can trust now, but I'd think hard about that, if I were you.  Some people can change, but a lot don't.  If he has done something once and it took someone else to tell you he was doing it, he was being shady and trying to keep it quiet.

If he had come to you and said the other woman might contact you, and if she does, here's my side of the story.  Buit, he tried to keep it quiet, hoping she wouldn't contact you.  Now, he's only rethinking his methods to find out what he did wrong this time, so next time, he can keep it quiet longer.

"Once bitten, twice shy".  There's a reason that is a well known saying.  It's because it's true.  But, I hope whatever you decide is the correct choice and everything works out fine.

Good luck in all you seek.

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/14/2007 7:10:55 AM   
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I don't usually respond to posts, but I found this one too 'close to home'.  I met my previous Dom through the lifestyle; I adored and worshiped him during the first few years of our 7yr 24/7 relationship.  A few years into the relationship I was seconded to a very high profile position which meant longer working hours etc.  During this time, my Dom felt neglected (or so he told me afterwards). Once I'd finished working on this particular project and spending more time around the home, I found telltale signs of his infedility- internet searches on escort agencies and subs, text messages, girls stats and mobile numbers on scraps of paper etc.  I was devastated.  I couldn't believe that he would consider the need for another woman in his life - especially when I believed we had a fantastic physical, spititual and emotional bonding.  Of course he claimed nothing ever happened and that he didnt know how texts appeared in his phone etc.....he denied it all....for several years.  But once the seeds of doubt were sown, I couldn't trust and respect him anymore.  What ensued were 4 years of misery, until finally this year I decided to leave him.  

I came out of this relationship believing I wasn't submissive - when in fact, he wasn't a Dom - just a selfish individual who wanted only what he desired regardless of anyone's feelings.

Whatever decision you make, put yourself first.  Be true to yourself and your feelings.  Like is short, live each day and fill each moment with memories you want to cherish. I offer you the best of luck. xxx

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/14/2007 4:46:30 PM   
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In the end.all we really have is our honor.

Jeff

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RE: Rebuilding Trust. - 8/15/2007 6:53:45 PM   
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Trust from my viewpoint is never given freely. It is earned over a period of time. Once gone it can never be exactly the same. For no other reason than you will have doubts and this will eat away at your self esteem. Simply put there is NO EXCUSE for him to hide his activitys.

Make your own choices :D

I wish you and your's well.

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