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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 12:36:20 AM

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LadyHeart,

As usual, I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing.

I strongly agree that it is easy to give people a wrong impression about CBT.

On the other hand, I've also had quite a number of impacts (M.A. practice, accidents, etc.), and know a fair number of people who have had significant impacts to the groin. Unless we've been really lucky, then they can take a fair bit of a certain kind of trauma. That said, most people haven't a clue how to kick properly, from what I've seen trying to teach them to do so. Hence, while I disagree about their resillience, baring a source or convincing anatomical argument to the contrary, I still agree that one needs to know how to do this.

I'm more ambivalent about whether it belongs out there. On one hand, putting the info out can make it seem simpler and safer than it is, leading to more injuries. On the other hand, lack of info has rarely dissuaded anyone from pursuing their fantasies with even less to go on. And in no particular hand, but still important, does one have a responsibility and/or right to coddle people and protect them from themselves, or does one accord them the right to choose their own way?

I think part of the answer to your question is simply: we didn't have the internet before. The internet doesn't give people the information they need in the right context to make informed choices. More and more people are doing themselves and others very serious injuries doing things they would never have dreamed of doing only a few years ago. I have the perspective of age. I am not doing the "I am older than you, please listen thing." But what I am saying is that when I a child/teenager, no one would DREAM of kicking a man in the balls. It was simply "not done." In fact, you would be a social outcast if you did it. Then along came kung fu movies etc and all of a sudden it was somehow more "acceptable" - with the results I have already mentioned as far as two of my partners were concerned. Now, it's even worse, with JackAss movies and U-Tube and the insanity it is generating. Can we protect people from their own idiocy? Probably not. But we don't have to encourage it either, by putting ideas into their heads and suggesting it is somehow consequence free.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 12:58:13 AM

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I've never suggested it is free of consequences. Merely pointed out that I think it can be done properly.

As for the rest, I quite agree, and I'm not taking it as an ageism.

Besides, even I remember the pre-Internet era. And, more fondly, the pre-Jackass era.

Though, I should point out, it was indeed done before the Internet, just not as commonly, and not as often for kinky reasons. My first encounters with hard impacts was through the martial arts. And I still have a pre-Internet magazine which covers edgeplayers in the UK performing that, and "worse".

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 2:01:56 AM

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You remember the days before the internet??? Shock! Horror!

Yes, we seem to be in agreement. These things were done before, but by a very limited number of people, who weren't quite go "gung ho!" about it. There is another accompanying attitude - that modern medicine can fix anything. Actually , it can't. Where the family jewels are concerned, I'm still inclined to caution. Quite happy to pin them to coreboard in a needle butterfly, but won't be belting them with my motorbike boots on.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 3:08:42 AM

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Since my first post I have searched out more sites showing ball busting by kicking and I must admit I find it exciting.

One of the Dommes was very considerate, she took her shoes off and then gave the sub a good kick in the balls.. Its always nice to see old fashioned courtesy, dont you think ?

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 3:45:39 AM

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[insert random testicle retreval joke here cause i can't think of any and no one has said one yet]

i used to practice cbt on toppish kinky nilla guys...of course it was all in the name of increasing their pleasure as they increased my pleasure by making their cocks ribbed...ahhh the days...(no one tell anyone it was a mere 2 years ago...oh no, i am getting old...)

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 4:38:48 AM

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Don't be too worried about it. Testicles are well designed to take pretty severe hits. There are three things that you need to worry about to play safely.
1) Don't twist the testicles, and don't kick them in a way that they could twist. When someone loses a testicle, this is almost always the reason.
2) Avoid blows with sharp edges, as testicles can rupture. This means, try to kick with the top of the foot instead of the toe, and hit testicles with the flat of a book and not a corner. If a testicle does rupture, you need to seek medical attention.
3) When kicking, make sure that the testicles can get away. This means don't bind them. When a guy is kicked in the testicles, they move around in the bag, and that softens the blow.

Sorry, but I am going to disagree with some of this. Someone else has already posted that they know someone who had an accident with the family jewels, and my first husband was kicked in the balls and had a testicle split as a result. My second husband had a testicle removed because it was damaged. I would conclude from this that testicles are NOT well protected from impact damage, as I don't go looking for men with damaged balls, lol, and this was in my pre BDSM days. You have said "If a testicle does rupture, seek medical attention." OMG I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. More like, phone your lawyer because you're in for a massive court case! I agree that testicles will stand a lot when it comes to squeezing and pressure, but kicking? No, I still say it is FAR too risky. I love CBT but kicking is on MY limits list, and seeing this stuff being done and copied by Know Nothings gives me the ab dabs. You may know what you are doing, but very few people do, and idiots don't need any encouragement to take this lightly.

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If you had followed the 3 rules I listed, none of the damage would have occurred. The bicycle accident listed earlier was due to a testicle twisting. Your first husband was hurt by violating rule 2 or 3. Also, I think that you should first seek medical attention if a testicle ruptures before you seek legal action. I don't understand why legal action would be called for unless you are a professional, or are playing in a nonconsensual fashion.

I would suggest that all kicking is done barefoot, or something that isn't pointy like most tennis shoes. That means no steel-toed boots. Also, I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding on what can be achieved by kicking. It isn't about causing pain, because you can cause as much pain in a more controlled fashion by punching. Guys that want to be kicked are looking for the fear and anticipation of pain. I thrive more on sensation than anticipation, so that is why kicking isn't for me. Just like all other BDSM activity, the Domme is responsible for controlling themselves. There is no reason to kick at full force. Meter your kicks for a better scene.

Think of all of the men that get hit in the balls in normal day-to-day activity. I get hit every so often playing basketball. You want to try and match the force of these hits, not set a new record for the hardest kick.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 5:57:01 AM

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You remember the days before the internet??? Shock! Horror!

Quite. I was almost 3 years old when the first TCP/IP-based WAN appeared, and started using computers between ages 3 and 5 under my father's mentoring. I had been using BBSes for a while when I first started using the Internet (nice picture, by the way) and the World Wide Web.

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Yes, we seem to be in agreement.

This, however, is shocking.

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There is another accompanying attitude - that modern medicine can fix anything.

~nod~
Quite scary.
But I do not think that is what he meant to say.
Rather, it is a question of seeking emergency medical care when injured.
Like how Mr. Hands would have survived if he'd gone to the ER after the bowel perforation.
(Which is not to say the ER can fix everything, just that it's the place to go in case of emergency, embarassment be damned.)

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Where the family jewels are concerned, I'm still inclined to caution.

Me, too. I try to avoid impacts when I can, and I'd be careful about CBT, if anyone wanted to do that with me. A kick can be made to look savage, while still only causing a light impact. To someone who hasn't felt the difference, it will also feel credible. Play occurs in the mind as much as in the body, really.

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Quite happy to pin them to coreboard in a needle butterfly, but won't be belting them with my motorbike boots on.

This brought to mind certain clips I would, as a male, have liked to un-see.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 6:00:46 AM

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Since my first post I have searched out more sites showing ball busting by kicking and I must admit I find it exciting.

Certain places in Tokyo cater to this. I think this particular kink is popular there due to the traditionally strong male dominance in their culture, even down to the level of language, so I imagine it may come down to a combo of taboo breaking and iconoclasm.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 6:51:40 AM

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Unless the videos are very cleverly faked, which I believe they are not, then some men are reciving some quite hard kicks with blows aimed directly at the balls, not the area underneath.Not savage, but still hard.

I've got a new kink that I like to at least watch.
As for the Japs, some of the things they get up to boggle the mind. lol

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 8:46:13 AM

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Some are, some are not.
No reason to analyze a clip you like, in any case.
Quite agree with the "like to watch" bit.
Nailing nads is a different matter.
Yeah, Japanese are inventive.

To say that it boggles my mind would be inaccurate, though. I've been on the 'net for far too long. While all my peers were going "ewww" at goatse and tubgirl, I was generally going "ah, I'll have to sort those under the correct folders", then continuing to browse the borderline disturbing stuff instead. Found a lot of interesting things, and a few disturbing ones.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 10:52:16 AM

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Meandering as one does along the highways and byeways of the internet I came across some sites showing fem. dommes giving sub. men quite vicious kicks in the goolies aka the testicles. I couldnt believe my eyes and I am fairly sure the videos where genuine.

So I thought I would ask any male subs. out there what they think of such things.

Come on now, this is no different than girls enjoying their pussies tortured (or doms enjoying doing it.) Surely this isn't something you're aghast at or worse, making a comic affair of?

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 11:39:31 AM

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i went to a talk on cbt just this weekend. very informative.... and yes, it included a segment about ball kicking. audience members were even invited up to take a shot at it so to speak. this was my take on it...1-never do it when the balls are tied up. they need to be free to move within the scrotum. 2-shoes on or off really doesn't matter. some men even prefer shoes on as it presents a very pretty picture. 3- keep in mind body proportions. if the kicker has short legs and or the kickee has long legs, kickee on his knees should help. 4- kick with the flat of the top of your foot never the toes or the ball of the foot. 5- don't kick straight up into the body...either come from behind and have the angle so that the balls will move up and towards the front of the body or kick from the front and have the balls move up and towards the ass. this will prevent rupture (or so i was told).
i have a friend that i've begun service topping (for lack of a better term). he's very interested in being kicked and has had it done before. so i'm doing my part to be a better educated top rather than just winging it and getting us both into trouble. he's a very heavy player...i'm just curious how many other male subs really like it and how many do it to please their Domme.

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 2:45:58 PM

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Meandering as one does along the highways and byeways of the internet I came across some sites showing fem. dommes giving sub. men quite vicious kicks in the goolies aka the testicles. I couldnt believe my eyes and I am fairly sure the videos where genuine.
So I thought I would ask any male subs. out there what they think of such things.

Come on now, this is no different than girls enjoying their pussies tortured (or doms enjoying doing it.) Surely this isn't something you're aghast at or worse, making a comic affair of?

I never uttered a negative word about the practice and in later posts admitted to enjoying watching it. This was a genuine request for info. which I should have broadened to include Domme fems who engage in ball kicking or anyone who is excited by it.

Does that apply to you MisPandora ? lol

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RE: CBT OMG - 7/26/2007 5:21:00 PM

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Everyone who lives in the states: Remember in alot of states if not all of them, there is "Consent is not a Defense" argument. Say you have a play partner, he asks you kick him in the balls, you do so, and a testicle ruptures, rush him to the hospital, the doctor upon hearing what happened calls the cops. Guess what? The cops can arrest you, even if your friend is not pressing charges! So even if you are not accepting payment for this, it can still backfire. I think I will follow LadyHeart's lead on this. There is plenty ways to torture a man without risking that much

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