Termyn8or
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Real, please hold. LaM you are correct, I should've checked first, but I was right about it being Cincinatti.
Your own statement actually proves my point to some degree.
"Major League Baseball wasn't going to have an owner who professed sympathy for Adolf Hitler, and you should be wise enough to understand why."
No, my friend, I am wise enough NOT to know why. That is to say that Jews are routinely shielded from criticism, or that criticism never gets out. Why is that ?
Who detirmines that one suicide bomber who killed perhaps a dozen is more newsworthy than a totally crooked regime that slaughters thousands ? Who owns the TV stations, who filters the media in this country ?
In a country without a First amendent, they produce more balanced and accurate news than any outlet in the US. I am talking about the BBC. I even think Pravda is more fair and balanced. Why is this ?
The BBC has a public oversight commitee, and those people are not stupid. You read API and UPI and think it is fair and balanced, but it is not. The atrocities Israel commits are reported to most of the rest of the world, which is resulting in a lower and lower public opinion of the state of Israel. As more and more people get their news from the internet, more and more are beginning to question the US's unwavering support of the state of Israel.
And if you try to tell me the incident with the USS Liberty was a mistake, you cost your own credibility. And if you think what Sharon did in 1982 was just fine and dandy, it is you labelling yourself, not me.
I am one who has some imperfect friends. And when they do something wrong I will say so in no uncertain terms, but that doesn't negate their good points. We need to keep things in perspective.
I make a concious effort not to paint all with the same brush. Just being a Jew does not make you responsible for what the state of Israel does. Interestingly though, under the new terrorism law instituted by executive order, Bush should have the attorney general bust him. He is supporting a rogue state that thwarts what 40, 45 UN resolutions ? And he ignores international law as well.
The problem here is that people inculcate the actions of another government as being supported by all of that race. As an American I can tell you without hesitation that this is not true. Many of us do not support the actions of our governenments. Yisroel Weiss, a Rabbi protests or at least did, against the very existence of Israel.
Now legislation would jail this Jew, come on a Rabbi is a Jew right ? Or not ? Which is it ?
Which time did the Zionists who control Israel lie ? But then which time did Bush lie, when he said there were weapons in Iraq, when he said they didn't find them, or when he said they did ?
What entity keeps the American public so ignorant ?
The media. Now did you expect those who control the media to go against their best interests ? What is their best interest ?
Then look at the filter. The evidence is clear.
Watch me now.
No matter what Hitler did to anyone, he was a great leader. You needed a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a postage stamp and a few years later they were a real threat. He may have gone in the worng direction, but the fact still remains, and Germany still benefits from some of the aspects of Hitler's reign. For examople there would be no Wolksvagons without Adolf.
So for praising one aspect of the Nazi regime, do I have to sell my baseball team ?
When people start his "unamerican" shit, it is usually "unjewish" shit.
So some Rabbis say it was not time for the Jewish state to exist, we'll have to see if they wind up in the gulag. And it is not Hebrew Jews who rule Israel, it is Zionists. They are pretty much Pharises. If it were Hebrew Jews who ruled Israel, there would be alot less trouble. The people who rule Israel are motherfuckers (figuratively), but that does not mean the people are.
Some are, and some of us are. I didn't create this chasm in beliefs, nor did I exagerate it. The Jews fell into the same thing we did, credit, territorial gains etc., but there is one thing US Americans never did. We never claimed that we "won independence" from the natives of the land we took from them.
I agree that the Nazis did terrible things, But the fact of the matter to any thinking Man is this; They were able to. After being beaten and broken, the rose to the occasion. Contrary to popular belief, many Germans joined the Nazis of their own free will. Many were sick of working and working and getting pretty much nothing for it. Hitler tossed off the chains on that society by saying "fuck you" to the war debts from WW1, which incidentally he did not start.
Did you ever hear about the carpet bombing of Dresden ? people died in their basements because there was no oxygen in the air at all. Well if they owed war reparations, where was the offset for that ? Children died, little people who never took part in the war. The Katyn massacre was blamed on the Nazis after the war, yet it is proven that the Russians did it, and wound up with Poland under their belt.
Hitler made mistakes, he had led his country into an unprecedented time of development, but then squandered it with war. He was wrong to do that.
Now if we want to get to some other things, FDR refused the Jews from Germany when Hitler told them to leave. Why ? I have my own opinions about that, but that would be a clear and present hijack.
I have said what I have said. Something belongs in here fine. Otherwise if you would like to engage me on these points, get me on mail. Otherwise we need to start a thread just for this. Or just do it here, I really don't care. Any cogent argument is welcome.
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