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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/25/2007 5:08:02 PM

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Luci...what of his was supressed or deleted? He had his title and authority removed from his words. That is not censorship, and to pretend it is, is an insult to the millions of real victims of censorship

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/25/2007 5:14:36 PM

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Luckydog, if this bum sues the U. of Colorado guess what they're going to do?
They'll hire Investigators to turn over every rock in his past.
I can garauntee there's going to be a lot more criminal stuff in his past.
Luci, this guy is a common criminal.
He's no "victim" he's a Con Man.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/25/2007 5:25:46 PM

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Alumbro, I do realise that on his website ward says there wasn't a peep about his work untill 2005 http://wardchurchill.net/blog/timeline/ and I guess we could accept him at his word, being a scholar and all that...

But one can simply Google it, for example here http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=ward+churchill&hl=en&um=1&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=2000&as_hdate=2004&lnav=d2 and you will find thousands of articles about him and his contraversial work "on the justice of roosting chickens. All written before 2005. Ironically most of them seem to be left wing articles defending him from the right wing attacks, which Ward (and you) now assert did not exist. Damn those pesky archives....

So he is obviously lying on his web page, and people like you are buying it. This kind of intellectuall dishonesty has no place having tenure or drawing a state salary.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/25/2007 6:44:53 PM

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Want to see something funny?
Go into Yahoo search under Images type in Ward Churchill.
There's one of Tonto in full Indian Cheif regalia, he looks like that wrestler "Cheif Jay Strongbow!
And, others show him speaking at the "Bay Area Anarchist Book Fair"
God, those people look absolutely miserable!

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 6:07:38 AM

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All written before 2005. Ironically most of them seem to be left wing articles defending him from the right wing attacks, which Ward (and you) now assert did not exist. Damn those pesky archives....

Indeed... one of the first ones says he was just fired... how did they write that before 2005?

You may as well admit that intellectual honesty will forever remain a fantasy for you.

I said there was tacit approval of his articles among those now involved in/calling for firing him, and that the current outcry didn't erupt until 2005.
His 'little eichmanns' comment was in fact supported in academic and progressive circles, by your own admission, and the process of firing him by any means neccesary came about years after his widespread dissemination of the article.
Your links to those pesky archives prove my point, so whatever game you are playing by lying and denial is lost on me.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 11:18:50 AM

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Alumbro, how you grasp at straws to try to defend your point, I expect better from you. The article you refer to says he was fired from his job as "chair of the Department of Ethnic Studies at the University of Colorado/Boulder " back in 03. Not from his proffessor job. It is possible for a professor to have more than one job in the University. This contraversy was going on back then, For him (and you) to assert that there was no issue untill 05 is simply a lie. I thought you had more integrity than this Alumbro. I am disapointed. You certainly understand that there is a difference between being a Dept Chair(which he was fired from in 03) and a Proffessor(which he was fired from in 07), so must be intentionally lying here. The question is why?

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 6:37:47 PM

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so must be intentionally lying here. The question is why?

luckydog:
The reason is that we are all in a pool. The pool has to do with how many times we can get you to call someone a liar in one week.
So what we do is kinda like children who kick the fence where a yappy dog lives and then stand on the other side and make faces at him while he barks. If there is a tie then the tie breaker is the one who has guessed the closest to the number of misspelled words you post.
My money is on the high numbers because it looks like you have managed to use the word liar or lie more than 1500 times in less than 1000 post.
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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 6:45:46 PM

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That explains the quality of your posts thompson. I guess that is the kind of nonsense you have to resort to make your points. If you do not want to be called a liar, don't lie to me, especially about stuff that can be checked in moments on the net....

BTW it is 1000 posts not 1000 post, it really does destroy an attempt to smear by calling on spelling errors, when you make them in the accusatory post. And it would be kind of not kinda.

That you and your buddies in here are like children who abuse dogs is not a surprise to me, glad you admitted it though.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:03:54 PM

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You sorta blew it there Lucky. The use of typed representations of colloquial or casual speech are quite acceptable in an informal forum such as this. But he did fuck up on using the plural. Call it a push, and try again.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:07:02 PM

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Your right Heretic, I did reach on that. But he did admit to lying on purpose...And that he and his crew are like children who abuse animals. So I call it a win, I got 3 out of 4.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:07:03 PM

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That explains the quality of your posts thompson. I guess that is the kind of nonsense you have to resort to make your points. If you do not want to be called a liar, don't lie to me, especially about stuff that can be checked in moments on the net....

BTW it is 1000 posts not 1000 post, it really does destroy an attempt to smear by calling on spelling errors, when you make them in the accusatory post. And it would be kind of not kinda.

That you and your buddies in here are like children who abuse dogs is not a surprise to me, glad you admitted it though.

luckydog:
It is kinda like fishin' with grenades....keep it up it looks like I am winning.
While you are busy bashing folks for faulty and unscholarly research your IQ expert you quoted, Ms Gottfredson, was once refused a full professorship because of it. It seems she is a shill for the Pioneer fund....you know the ones who pay people to prove that blacks are genetically inferior.
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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:10:30 PM

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Thompson, assuming that is true (which you have given no evidence for at all), it still does not change the fact that you lied about the article being on the editorial page, and that it did not give sources for the Data.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:11:25 PM

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You sorta blew it there Lucky. The use of typed representations of colloquial or casual speech are quite acceptable in an informal forum such as this. But he did fuck up on using the plural. Call it a push, and try again.

Rich:
I see you also took some of the high numbers in the pool....smart move

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:12:41 PM

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Aww, you dragged this from the other thread thompson....

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:21:34 PM

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I'm just wondering what type of logic is in play by people who would try to "defend" Tonto.
I think I'd rather chew on tin foil.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:29:49 PM

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Thompson, assuming that is true (which you have given no evidence for at all), it still does not change the fact that you lied about the article being on the editorial page, and that it did not give sources for the Data.

luckydog:
Well it does say so on the page and the New York times lists him as a columnist not a reporter.
You are so busy calling people liars that you don't seem to take much care in your research.
Isn't this the same fellow who wrote a book saying that recycling is a scam and it is cheaper to buy styrofoam cups than to buy a ceramic one. That one would have to use a ceramic cup 900 times before it was cost effective in relationship to styrofoam cups.
When you told us all that we could buy hydrogen all the way up and down I-5 no one called you a liar. I just figured you were mistaken. On the other hand you seem to make it a habit to call anyone you disagree with a liar. Kinda puts me in mind of people who are always telling everyone how honest they are.
It is your fetish not mine but I hope to win the pool cuz you can't stop. Unless of course one of the mods takes offense to it.
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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:31:09 PM

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Well, the APA (American Psychiatric Assosciation) Disagrees with you on the role of the Pioneer fund...

"Ulric Neisser, who was the chairman of the APA's 1995 taskforce on intelligence research, has said, "Pioneer has sometimes sponsored useful research - research that otherwise might not have been done at all. By that reckoning, I would give it a weak plus."

So, I am going to go with the APA's assessment, not yours. True she is a contraversial figure, but she is also a recognized expert.

Linda Susanne Gottfredson (born 24 June 1947) is a professor of educational psychology at the University of Delaware and co-director of the Delaware-Johns Hopkins Project for the Study of Intelligence and Society. Gottfredson's work has been influential in shaping U.S. public and private policies regarding affirmative action, hiring quotas, and “race-norming” on aptitude tests.
She currently sits on the boards of the International Society for the Study of Individual Differences (ISSID), the International Society for Intelligence Research (ISIR), and the editorial boards of the scientific journals Intelligence, Learning and Individual Differences, and Society.

But that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Kerry got a lower score, he does not dispute that.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:47:18 PM

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Just have to ask anyone interested to take a look, it is in the US news section, and is not an editorial. Pretend all day if you like. And the source of the Data was given, which you lied and said it was not. Now about I5, I was incorrect, it is only south of Sacremnto that is currently Hydrogen supplied. 2 years ago the plan to have all the major highways "Hydrogenated" was passed into law, and is under way. Now that is not a lie like pretending no source was given for data, when it clearly was. Or in what section an article lies.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:49:01 PM

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luckydog:
You forgot to put this in the quote:
Gottfredson's research "... is being done in the name of white supremacy... the Pioneer Fund supports only research that tends to come out with results that further the division between races...by justifying the superiority of one race and the inferiority of another."[3]
In 1988 Gottfredson received the first of many grants from the Pioneer Fund for work on educational differences and occupational policy. In 1989, University of Delaware's promotion and tenure committee denied Gottfredson promotion to full professor, citing "flawed" and "unscholarly" research.
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I would add though that she was finally granted a full professorship after taking a year off from her "flawed and unscholarly" research.
Once attaining her full professorship she went back to her work for the Pioneer fund in which she posits the genetic inferiority of non whites.

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RE: Ward Churchill gets the boot - 7/26/2007 7:58:22 PM

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Just have to ask anyone interested to take a look, it is in the US news section, and is not an editorial. Pretend all day if you like.
You may scream and rant all you choose it does not change the facts. The New York Times list his job title as columnist not reporter.

And the source of the Data was given, which you lied and said it was not. Now about I5, I was incorrect,
Why is it that you get to be incorrect and everyone else is a liar?

it is only south of Sacremnto that is currently Hydrogen supplied.
Perhaps you can tell us where these hydrogen stations are because Shell oil company says they do not exist. Or is this another case where you are incorrect and Shell oil company is a liar?

2 years ago the plan to have all the major highways "Hydrogenated" was passed into law, and is under way. Now that is not a lie like pretending no source was given for data, when it clearly was. Or in what section an article lies.
Lies for all of us but only mistakes and incorrect statements for you....how so very convenient.