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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/27/2007 2:38:46 AM   
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Its damn good advice,  I'll take it!  

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/27/2007 7:53:43 AM   
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Hey I have spent my life going from arsehole to arsehole (my last relationship being the exception to the rule ... NO arsehole just not meant to be) and now I am doing the personal growth and theraphy deal which is working for me. However I have huge trust issues and no matter how nice the last guy was and how much more mature the ending was ... the trust issues have increased but basically it is a case of "suck it up", this is my problem and I need to solve it ... I need to feel stronger in myself and be more in control of my life, take things slower and be more secure in what I need and want in a relationship and when I do not think these are being met "STOP" and do a reality check. Do not continue a relationship where I am rationalising and making excuses it only leads to hurt on both sides.

This is what is working for me and may not be for you, but I have come to believe that there is no point in lookin for a relationship till I decide what it is I am looking for.

Just my opinon take care

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/27/2007 7:56:43 AM   
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Hey I have spent my life going from arsehole to arsehole



What a delightful way to spend your time. Huh...

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/28/2007 11:18:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyRed

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Learn why YOU choose such cold hearted idiots?  What patterns of yours cause you to meet men like this, what causes you to entertain a relationship with them, and what allows you to fall in love with them.

They ARE assholes but YOU chose them, figure out why and you will be a lot happier.


You know I am not picking on you but I am deathly sick of this tact. We don't have a "pattern". You keep trying to meet someone NORMAL and try to trust again based on what someone does and says and you can do all the right things and still they fuck up. Not you.

I know many, many amazing women who are intelligent, self aware, therapy veterans, sophisticated, savvy, kind, generous and confident and yes, they still get fucked over by men who create a lack of trust towards men in general.

And yes, I agree that one has to look inward and see what it is that is attracting someone to a particular man, but when the men involved are all different in so many ways, then there is no "pattern". It could be just rotten luck.

So, while it is fabulous to always blame the victim, perhaps we should be blaming the other parties for lying, cheating, withdrawing, betrayals, non-communication, etc.

And go ahead and say that I must be bitter; I am at the moment because I have been through therapy, relationships, thought I learned everything about my motivations and desires and yet still it can happen.

Why? because this game called life and relationships throws punches that you are unprepared for, and you don't know fully what the other person intends, wants, or what motivates them even if you think you do.
While I agree with you to a cetain extent..From what I have read..The OP seems to have low self esteem..so hence she chooses Dominants who are less than stellar simply because her low self esteem does not allow her to think that she deserves any better than what she has received...how can she trust again?...When she can trust in herself first......Tempting

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/28/2007 12:59:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submissiveness

I've lost my submissiveness.   I just walked out on Dom #2..    The first Dom, well he never really wanted me, I was just someone to fill the void.  

My second Dom, well we were together for 5 months, living and working together,  in the beginning things were great, his behavior to wards me gradually deteriorated.   He became almost cruel and unfeeling to wards me.  I tried harder and harder to gain his love.   Then one day I found out, he was still searching for a submissive.  Living with me telling me I was the one and only and searching on line morning and night. 

When I told him that I knew, yeah for a few days he was extremely kind and affectionate, promising me the sun and moon, but after only a few days he was back to being cold and mean. 

Long story short I left.   How does one be a submissive when you are afraid to trust.   My heart has been riped out and stomped on twice, both times Dominant men where to blame.  I want this lifestyle more than I can tell you but there has to be trust.  How do I trust again?



  OK first of WAKE up there is a pattern here.. this is from experiences sometimes we pick people that causes us to be in a failed situation.. by this i mean we are attracted to people who are wrong for us. so here is what you do shed  your negative energy.. keep busy rebuild your positive energy by doing for others family friends.. next watch out for predators they will come at you from all sides. making the flaky promises.. once you have done your cleansing that means six months of  hardcore revamping you. you will start to feel a change a positive change. you will be able to find that of what you seek but here is the kicker SET STANDARDS AND ADHERE TO THEM. stable partners mentally physically emotionally. compatibility. look at their past too if they been married seven times run forest run ..

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/30/2007 12:16:03 PM   
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I've said it before and I will say it again...no one is 100 percent at fault in either the establishment of/ the building of/ the tearing down of a relationship.  It takes two.

You do bear responsibility even if only not being honest with yourself about what and who you are and what and who you deserve.  Some people go out and deliberately pick assholes...is it the asshole's fault then when they continue to act like an asshole?  or is it the fault of the person who thought they would change for them or, even worse, that they could change the asshole into what they wanted?

The sad thing, the thing that sometimes makes a person want to step away from it all is the realization that even nice people can have an inner bitch/asshole inside them and that it does not take much to discover that EXCEPT committing yourself to this person first. 

So...how do we trust?  We learn about ourselves...we take a hard look at the people we have chosen to be involved with and why...what we did to contribute to things going wrong...etc.  One thing I discovered within myself was a tendency to pick people that needed rescue in some way, whether minor or major.  What I found was that once the problem was solved, I was no longer the "right one" for them (I'd fixed them and, for someone who does not need fixing, a rescuer isn't all that attractive) OR a new problem would come up (because they were needy and insecure and afraid that with no problems to fix, I would walk out).  I really do my best to avoid this type of situation now.  Even if I meet someone with problems, I might give advice but in no way do I convey the impression that I am interested in becoming the majority Problem-Solver for their issues.

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/31/2007 10:35:27 PM   
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SexyRed,

I understand and have sympathy for your pain and will agree that many people, male and female, top and bottom are assholes either consciously or unconsciously.  If they were here I would advise them to look inward to find the source of their issues.  In this case the OP was asking why all the men she meets fuck her over.  Telling her they are assholes is like feeding someone for a day, I want to teach them to fish or at least mention it to them that some people fish and hope they choose the path of change and growth.

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So, while it is fabulous to always blame the victim, perhaps we should be blaming the other parties for lying, cheating, withdrawing, betrayals, non-communication, etc.


Saying why do you choose assholes is far different than saying why do you create assholes.  Nobody is blaming the victim, we are pointing WHY she is a victim and giving advice on how to avoid BEING a victim.

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/31/2007 10:40:06 PM   
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I have trust issues, however they are centered around a couple of bad experiences with prospective submissives from this site.   You know the fun liar, game player types.

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/31/2007 10:41:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

SexyRed,

I understand and have sympathy for your pain and will agree that many people, male and female, top and bottom are assholes either consciously or unconsciously.  If they were here I would advise them to look inward to find the source of their issues.  In this case the OP was asking why all the men she meets fuck her over.  Telling her they are assholes is like feeding someone for a day, I want to teach them to fish or at least mention it to them that some people fish and hope they choose the path of change and growth.

quote:

So, while it is fabulous to always blame the victim, perhaps we should be blaming the other parties for lying, cheating, withdrawing, betrayals, non-communication, etc.


Saying why do you choose assholes is far different than saying why do you create assholes.  Nobody is blaming the victim, we are pointing WHY she is a victim and giving advice on how to avoid BEING a victim.


Good point, Michael, but I believe that most intelligent grown ups have some level of self awareness (I think I do at least) and yet, still can trust too much. They may have closed their hearts and decided to be cynical, but...there is always that one person that sneaks up on you.

But I cannot make a sweeping generalization about self awareness, otherwise people would not ask for advice on message boards, right?

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RE: submissiveness without trust? - 7/31/2007 10:56:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

I have trust issues, however they are centered around a couple of bad experiences with prospective submissives from this site.   You know the fun liar, game player types.

Yes, You are singing to the choir. 

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