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thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:00:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feastie Citgo. feastie; Your point would be? thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:08:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Man I love the extreme left. You can't talk about Ward Churchill being an academic fraud Why can't you talk about his being an academic fraud? If it is true or alleged then all one needs to do is submit evidence and let the chips fall where they may. You are aware that there are many academic frauds some of which are Nobel prize winners? and hack because he says extreme things about the US and we can't call an evil dictator (or a potential one) that because his country has oil. Isn't that a little like calling someone a "potential" academic fraud? Next somebody is gonna tell me I can't complain about the welfare trash moving in and destroying my neighborhood because they are members of a minority group... Wait... never mind, too late. Your meaning escapes me here buddy. Are they trash because they are on welfare or because they are a minority? Are they are simply trash and ethnicity and economic status are just not relevant? I guess Chavez will expect to be denied entry to the US because of what he said at the UN last time. Or am I setting my hopes a bit high? Well Rich you have never been terribly receptive to criticism so I do not see this as an exception.

Marc2b -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:10:41 PM)
quote: Many foreigners can travel to Venezuela without a visa. But now there's a new requirement once they get there. President Hugo Chavez announced on Sunday that foreigners who publicly criticize his government will be deported. He ordered officials to monitor statements made by international figures visiting the country. The comments came after the President of Mexico's ruling conservative party criticized Chavez for seeking to do away with term limits at a recent pro-democracy conference in Caracas. "No foreigner, whoever it is, can come here to attack us," Chavez said. "How long are we going to allow a person, from any country in the world, to come to our own house to say there's a dictatorship here, that the President is a tyrant, and no one does anything about it?" Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I wonder if the people who defend this dictator’s tyrannical action would support a similar law in the U.S? After all, are we going to let foreigners interfere with our internal affairs by treating them as human beings and letting them voice their opinions?

Marc2b -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:14:17 PM)
quote: So what you are saying is that our dictator can beat up their dictator? Let’s be honest. In a mano-a-mano fist fight Chavez would totally kick Bush’s scrawny little ass. But it would probably never get that far because before the fight Cheney would sneak up on Chavez and whack him in the kneecap with a tire iron.

Marc2b -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:16:27 PM)
quote: Laughing..."Yeah, I ain't no dictator, and to prove it I'm gonna deport your gringo ass if you come to my country callin' me a dictator." Chavez's recent political moves are shocking and dangerous. I really think leftists need to stop apologizing for him. Just because he stands up to Bush doesn't mean he's a good guy. Am I in bizzaro world here? Or have I sadly mis-judged you?

DomKen -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:17:04 PM)
This is hilarious. Do any of you remember the tempest in a teapot the halfwit neocons stirred up over European pols saying negative things about the administration while they were in Europe no less? Remember 'freedom fries' and all the rest of that stupidity? Is anyone really going to try and claim that crap wasn't a trial balloon to see if such a law would fly with the US citizenry? I'm no huge fan of Chavez but this is no worse than the 'no true scotsman' attacks on the patriotism of US citizens who oppose Bush.

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:27:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: Many foreigners can travel to Venezuela without a visa. But now there's a new requirement once they get there. President Hugo Chavez announced on Sunday that foreigners who publicly criticize his government will be deported. He ordered officials to monitor statements made by international figures visiting the country. The comments came after the President of Mexico's ruling conservative party criticized Chavez for seeking to do away with term limits at a recent pro-democracy conference in Caracas. "No foreigner, whoever it is, can come here to attack us," Chavez said. "How long are we going to allow a person, from any country in the world, to come to our own house to say there's a dictatorship here, that the President is a tyrant, and no one does anything about it?" Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I wonder if the people who defend this dictator’s tyrannical action would support a similar law in the U.S? After all, are we going to let foreigners interfere with our internal affairs by treating them as human beings and letting them voice their opinions? Mark2b: Perhaps you should read the patriot act to see what you may and may not say. I have been to Gitmo....and while it is a pleasant place to visit let me tell you something: you do not want a jarhead for a jailer. thompson

TheHeretic -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:34:15 PM)
(Man, oh man... This is gonna become a complicated read... I'll do what I can.) quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Man I love the extreme left. You can't talk about Ward Churchill being an academic fraud Why can't you talk about his being an academic fraud? If it is true or alleged then all one needs to do is submit evidence and let the chips fall where they may. You are aware that there are many academic frauds some of which are Nobel prize winners? Because every time his academic deceits and frauds are brought up, he screams "censorship" to change the subject. Yes, I'm aware that it is suggested some Nobel Prize winners were accused of stealing the work of others. How many reversed a picture from a book and called it original artwork? and hack because he says extreme things about the US and we can't call an evil dictator (or a potential one) that because his country has oil. Isn't that a little like calling someone a "potential" academic fraud? A qualifying tip of the hat to a very valid point in an earlier post. Next somebody is gonna tell me I can't complain about the welfare trash moving in and destroying my neighborhood because they are members of a minority group... Wait... never mind, too late. Your meaning escapes me here buddy. Are they trash because they are on welfare or because they are a minority? Are they are simply trash and ethnicity and economic status are just not relevant? Trash comes in all colors, creeds and ethnicities. Welfare, particularly in the form of subsidized housing, is having a major impact on my little city. Like Churchill with his cries of censorship, or oil down in Chavezistan, if we talk about drug dealers riding bicycles around and around residential intersections or shopping carts dumped in the streets, we are either rascists or "not really ***." I guess Chavez will expect to be denied entry to the US because of what he said at the UN last time. Or am I setting my hopes a bit high? Well Rich you have never been terribly receptive to criticism so I do not see this as an exception. [8\|]**

Marc2b -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 10:45:41 PM)
quote: This is hilarious. Do any of you remember the tempest in a teapot the halfwit neocons stirred up over European pols saying negative things about the administration while they were in Europe no less? Remember 'freedom fries' and all the rest of that stupidity? Is anyone really going to try and claim that crap wasn't a trial balloon to see if such a law would fly with the US citizenry? I'm no huge fan of Chavez but this is no worse than the 'no true scotsman' attacks on the patriotism of US citizens who oppose Bush. That was people expressing their opinions about other people’s opinions. I agree, however, that "freedom fries" was asinine.

luckydog1 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/25/2007 11:21:47 PM)
"If you piss of the government in this country you get a one way ticket to the gulag at Guantanamo. " Come on, you have got to be kidding.....

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:14:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Laughing..."Yeah, I ain't no dictator, and to prove it I'm gonna deport your gringo ass if you come to my country callin' me a dictator." Chavez's recent political moves are shocking and dangerous. I really think leftists need to stop apologizing for him. Just because he stands up to Bush doesn't mean he's a good guy. Well said, Lam. Those on the left that defend him will never, no matter what, cease doing so. They still defend Castro, as far as I can tell.

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:18:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Man I love the extreme left. You can't talk about Ward Churchill being an academic fraud and hack because he says extreme things about the US and we can't call an evil dictator (or a potential one) that because his country has oil. Next somebody is gonna tell me I can't complain about the welfare trash moving in and destroying my neighborhood because they are members of a minority group... Wait... never mind, too late. I guess Chavez will expect to be denied entry to the US because of what he said at the UN last time. Or am I setting my hopes a bit high? Rich, you've touched upon perhaps the prime reason for my dislike of that part of Leftism; the hypocrisy and blind, ignorance. Now, we're all human, so we all make mistakes, but those lefties bray like jackasses about how it's always someone else, ie the right, that are fools and heartless and idiots, while ignoring their own foolishness, heartlessness, and idiocy.

luckydog1 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:22:13 AM)
I am going to vote that "freedom fries" was a retarded waste of time also.

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level Yes, we need those vast oil reserves in North Korea [:D] Level: More likely the tungsten, which is why we went to war there the last time. thompson Was that the codename of the operation for the attack of South Korea by the communists in 1950?

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:43:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: So what you are saying is that our dictator can beat up their dictator? Let’s be honest. In a mano-a-mano fist fight Chavez would totally kick Bush’s scrawny little ass. But it would probably never get that far because before the fight Cheney would sneak up on Chavez and whack him in the kneecap with a tire iron. Hmmmm, I don't know about that, Marc, Bush is in excellent health, while Chavez is a bit chunky.

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:49:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 "If you piss of the government in this country you get a one way ticket to the gulag at Guantanamo. " Come on, you have got to be kidding..... Yeah, why isn't Cindy Sheehan, or half of CM, down there with pickaxes then...... [:D]

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:51:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 I am going to vote that "freedom fries" was a retarded waste of time also. It was indeed. "My side, right or wrong", is a piss poor way to be, whether it's the right, the left, or the center.

farglebargle -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 4:08:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 Attention Bush haters. Take a look at Chavez. He is an actual dictator. And a Leftist to boot. I know this may be tough to understand, but please try. BFD. If The People of Venezuela have any issues with Chavez, IT IS THEIR PROBLEM. If they want to have a Revolution, or otherwise change their Government, that is THEIR RIGHT. As is their acceptance of their Current Government. The US needs to cleanup their OWN SHIT FIRST. ( Tossing people in the hole for 1300 days without trial, counsel, arraignment, etc. renders the US unable to criticize at all! )

Lordandmaster -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 6:52:44 AM)
Can't tell if you're joking or if you're serious. We don't YET deport legal aliens for criticizing the government. It takes a little more than that. Of course, when the time comes, I'll agree that we're in no position to look down on Chavez. We're permitted to have opinions on Venezuelan politics just as foreigners are permitted to have opinions on American politics. What "folks" do in Venezuela may not be our business, but nascent dictators aren't to be condoned. Chavez isn't "the folks." The "folks" in Venezuela are divided over their president, and most of them don't favor his latest maneuvers. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Laughing..."Yeah, I ain't no dictator, and to prove it I'm gonna deport your gringo ass if you come to my country callin' me a dictator." Chavez's recent political moves are shocking and dangerous. I really think leftists need to stop apologizing for him. Just because he stands up to Bush doesn't mean he's a good guy. I am curious as to just why what folks do in Venezuela is any of our business? If you piss of the government in this country you get a one way ticket to the gulag at Guantanamo.

Owner59 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 8:55:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 Attention Bush haters. Take a look at Chavez. He is an actual dictator. And a Leftist to boot. I know this may be tough to understand, but please try. Attention bush apologists,brown nosers and rightists: Chavez was elected democratically,in elections cleaner and less crooked than our`s.Who the fuck cares if he`s not rightwing?He was elected, look it up. Quick history lesson- Just before an attempted armed "Coup d'etat" against Chavez,the coup leaders met with bush in our white house,to coordinate and get on the same page.Just after the Coup d'etat,even before the UN,the south American alliances,or any other country could even respond(we`re talking less than a day here),the bush administration recognized the coup leaders and their new government.Pow!Just like that,instant recognition.lol Well,a couple days later,Chavez prevailed and crushed the take over.The world community was relieved ,even our friends,and the voters of Venezuela`s`s votes were honored.Everyone but the neoconservatives were happy. Then came the bull shit from the bushies.Claimed they never met with the coup leaders(lie),made themselves look like dick heads(and America too),and never quite washed the egg off of their faces.1st class bozos. Of course ,....Chavez took it personally.Who wouldn`t?Bush tryed to help steal his presidency. It only makes sense, that he`d be just a bit put off. Do you think that bush would be upset at someone who tryed to steal his presidency?(take all the time you need) Oh right....bushies don`t respect elections or the democratic process,unless it`s fixed and they win...I forgot that. Sense then,the bushies have been doing a hatchet job on Chavez, using him as a red herring,whipping boy,and straw-man,to try to scare ya`ll.Chavez is no dictator.Besides,republicans love dictators,real ones.As long as those dictators play ball with them,they couldn`t give a damm. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ Folks,...this is about oil. Any other dog and pony act these bozos(the bushies)present,is pure neo-conservative bullshit .This is about oil,and who`s controlling it,just like in the middle east.If there was no oil in those places,we wouldn`t be there.If Chavez`s country was sitting on a shit load if it,bush would be like"Chavez who?" Bottom line and things to keep in mind: Don`t let the bushies or republicans scare you.Beware.They`re the party that "cried wolf". That`s their mode of operation. That`s how we got into Iraq.With scare tactics and out right lies.The bushies have no qualms about doing the same with Chavez. Beware

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