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philosophy -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 9:00:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 Attention Bush haters. Take a look at Chavez. He is an actual dictator. And a Leftist to boot. I know this may be tough to understand, but please try. .......democracy is not the preserve of right wingers. i know that even as you read my words all you see is 'communism good, blah, blah, blah' but please try to understand.

Owner59 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 9:02:46 AM)
How embarrassing was it that Chavez provided discounted oil to the poor ,here in America.Less people died from the cold ,and it made bush look bad. This isn`t about "spreading freedom" or uplifting a people or anything noble like that. This is about controlling resources and oil/money*money/oil,etc.

Owner59 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 10:51:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Man I love the extreme left. You can't talk about Ward Churchill being an academic fraud and hack because he says extreme things about the US and we can't call an evil dictator (or a potential one) that because his country has oil. Next somebody is gonna tell me I can't complain about the welfare trash moving in and destroying my neighborhood because they are members of a minority group... Wait... never mind, too late. I guess Chavez will expect to be denied entry to the US because of what he said at the UN last time. Or am I setting my hopes a bit high? Who said you couldn`t talk about churchill or Chavez? Who`s stopping ya`ll from saying anything? I think your issue is, you want to say your piece, without being challenged on it.If that`s so hard to deal with,just walk away.......There`s sports,cooking shows,I hear Trump has a new show coming out.You won`t have to feel so put upon any more. FYI,you can say anything you want. Just don`t be a cry baby, when someone calls you on your shit and challanges you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "I guess Chavez will expect to be denied entry to the US because of what he said at the UN last time. Or am I setting my hopes a bit high?" Okay,let`s compare..... bush tries to help overthrow Chavez and steal the his presidency,and Chavez insults bush at the UN........emmmmmm let`s see....... overthrow, insult,....insult - overthrow,overthrow, insult,....insult - overthrow emmmm That`s about the even.... (yeah...if you`re a nut or a neo-con, it is) I believe these neo-cons would start a war with Venezuela.And they`d say anything to justify it. Beware,America.

meatcleaver -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 10:53:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Laughing..."Yeah, I ain't no dictator, and to prove it I'm gonna deport your gringo ass if you come to my country callin' me a dictator." Chavez's recent political moves are shocking and dangerous. I really think leftists need to stop apologizing for him. Just because he stands up to Bush doesn't mean he's a good guy. Well said, Lam. Those on the left that defend him will never, no matter what, cease doing so. They still defend Castro, as far as I can tell. Level. It was the US that forced Castro's hand by not dealing with his new regime because he overthrew a US supported dictator. Originally Castro didn't have an ideology other than to get rid of Batista but the US's demonizing of the new Cuban regime and imposing a blockade made the USSR's wooing of Cuba look attractive. A similar thing is happening with Chavez just because he wanted to redistribute wealth to the poor. I don't know why US governments seem to have a problem with the redistribution of wealth. The US government supports regimes that are worse than Chavez, who I accept is losing the plot rather quickly. Chavez in the beginning was doing no more than what most European governments do, ie, redistribute wealth so why the Bush regime had a problem with Chavez and not Europe I have no idea but I could guess. Oil?

philosophy -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 10:55:27 AM)
[FR] Chavez is far from perfect, but he hasn't tried to overthrow the legitimate government of the US. The US, in contrast, has tried to overthrow the legitimate government of Venezuala, as well as other countries. It's not left wing to point that out, but an aversion to humbug and selective morality. The US would have a far more respected voice around the world if it stopped such double standards in its foreign policy.

popeye1250 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 11:03:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 Attention Bush haters. Take a look at Chavez. He is an actual dictator. And a Leftist to boot. I know this may be tough to understand, but please try. BFD. If The People of Venezuela have any issues with Chavez, IT IS THEIR PROBLEM. If they want to have a Revolution, or otherwise change their Government, that is THEIR RIGHT. As is their acceptance of their Current Government. The US needs to cleanup their OWN SHIT FIRST. ( Tossing people in the hole for 1300 days without trial, counsel, arraignment, etc. renders the US unable to criticize at all! ) Farg, yup, the Venezuelan People voted for this guy and now they "don't like him" so they want to claim "Refugee" or "Asylum" status and come to the U.S.? Why can't they go to Colombia or another Central or South American country? They don't "need" to come to the U.S. We really do need to get rid of those "Asylum" and "Refugee" programs. There's a thousand ways to scam them. Venezuela made their own bed, let them lie in it!

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 11:33:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level Yes, we need those vast oil reserves in North Korea [:D] Level: More likely the tungsten, which is why we went to war there the last time. thompson Was that the codename of the operation for the attack of South Korea by the communists in 1950? Level: Korea is one country. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 11:39:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 Attention Bush haters. Take a look at Chavez. He is an actual dictator. And a Leftist to boot. I know this may be tough to understand, but please try. BFD. If The People of Venezuela have any issues with Chavez, IT IS THEIR PROBLEM. If they want to have a Revolution, or otherwise change their Government, that is THEIR RIGHT. As is their acceptance of their Current Government. The US needs to cleanup their OWN SHIT FIRST. ( Tossing people in the hole for 1300 days without trial, counsel, arraignment, etc. renders the US unable to criticize at all! ) Farg, yup, the Venezuelan People voted for this guy and now they "don't like him" so they want to claim "Refugee" or "Asylum" status and come to the U.S.? Why can't they go to Colombia or another Central or South American country? They don't "need" to come to the U.S. We really do need to get rid of those "Asylum" and "Refugee" programs. There's a thousand ways to scam them. Venezuela made their own bed, let them lie in it! popeye: You would not happen to have any facts to back up this bigoted twaddle would you? Who are you going to rag on when all the "brown" ones are gone? On the up side you can always be counted on to inject your bigoted two cents worth into any thread. At least you are consistent. thompson

TheHeretic -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 11:51:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I think your issue is, you want to say your piece, without being challenged on it. Wrong. Challenge what I said, instead of hiding behind canned, off-topic bullshit to drag it off on a tangent and make the conversation about something else. I've been encountering quite a bit of that strawman nonsense on this board lately, from people too cowardly to actually discuss an issue, and would rather just pretend to be stupid in an attempt to "shout down" ideas that don't fit their shallow, hate-filled, paradigms. The subsidized housing thing has become a front-page issue in my little city. It's going to be fun to watch too, since our mayor is a member of the same minority group who is already starting to yell rascism.

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:40:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Laughing..."Yeah, I ain't no dictator, and to prove it I'm gonna deport your gringo ass if you come to my country callin' me a dictator." Chavez's recent political moves are shocking and dangerous. I really think leftists need to stop apologizing for him. Just because he stands up to Bush doesn't mean he's a good guy. Well said, Lam. Those on the left that defend him will never, no matter what, cease doing so. They still defend Castro, as far as I can tell. Level. It was the US that forced Castro's hand by not dealing with his new regime because he overthrew a US supported dictator. Originally Castro didn't have an ideology other than to get rid of Batista but the US's demonizing of the new Cuban regime and imposing a blockade made the USSR's wooing of Cuba look attractive. A similar thing is happening with Chavez just because he wanted to redistribute wealth to the poor. I don't know why US governments seem to have a problem with the redistribution of wealth. The US government supports regimes that are worse than Chavez, who I accept is losing the plot rather quickly. Chavez in the beginning was doing no more than what most European governments do, ie, redistribute wealth so why the Bush regime had a problem with Chavez and not Europe I have no idea but I could guess. Oil? Castro has done what Castro wanted to do, MC. It isn't on us.

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 3:41:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level Yes, we need those vast oil reserves in North Korea [:D] Level: More likely the tungsten, which is why we went to war there the last time. thompson Was that the codename of the operation for the attack of South Korea by the communists in 1950? Level: Korea is one country. thompson Not in a long, long time it hasn't been.

Sinergy -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 6:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Well said, Lam. Those on the left that defend him will never, no matter what, cease doing so. They still defend Castro, as far as I can tell. I dont defend Chavez or Castro. I simply point out that the US has a lot of nerve criticizing how other people run their countries while our country goes to the dogs. Sinergy

popeye1250 -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 7:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Level Well said, Lam. Those on the left that defend him will never, no matter what, cease doing so. They still defend Castro, as far as I can tell. I dont defend Chavez or Castro. I simply point out that the US has a lot of nerve criticizing how other people run their countries while our country goes to the dogs. Sinergy But Sinergy, you're not on the "Left." You're intelligent.

Sinergy -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 7:57:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 But Sinergy, you're not on the "Left." You're intelligent. Thank you for the lovely compliment, popeye1250. I would agree with those on the right if any of them (with the exception of ruPaul) demonstrated possession of a functional brain. Sinergy

TheHeretic -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 8:01:11 PM)
Careful, Sinergy. Those Coasties sometimes get awful lonely out at sea... First they tell you you're smart, then funny, then they wanna wash your back...

Marc2b -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 8:05:01 PM)
quote: Hmmmm, I don't know about that, Marc, Bush is in excellent health, while Chavez is a bit chunky. Bush is too much of a patrician to really know how kick serious ass whereas Chavez has that dock worker brawler look to him. Now, if it was a fencing duel, then I’d put my money on Bush.

Sinergy -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 8:10:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Careful, Sinergy. Those Coasties sometimes get awful lonely out at sea... First they tell you you're smart, then funny, then they wanna wash your back... Then they get to sit on ice cubes for 12 hours after their testicles are smashed by a full power knee kick. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/26/2007 9:31:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Level Yes, we need those vast oil reserves in North Korea [:D] Level: More likely the tungsten, which is why we went to war there the last time. thompson Was that the codename of the operation for the attack of South Korea by the communists in 1950? Level: Korea is one country. thompson Not in a long, long time it hasn't been. Level: Do you suppose that if the U.S. Army were not there to prevent it that that country would not be reunited? One day the tungsten hole will dry up and on that day the U.S. will have no further reason to keep the country of Korea divided. All the talk of freedom and democracy and the evil commie bastards and so forth will cease to be relevant. No I do not care what happens to them. They are Koreans and I think the Koreans should solve their own problems. I am an American and we have enough of our own problems and I think we should solve our own problems and let the rest of the world solve theirs. thompson

Level -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/27/2007 1:41:59 AM)
The reunification would come in on a torrent of blood, if at all. But, as you mention, some don't care.

thompsonx -> RE: Venezuela and dissent (7/27/2007 7:00:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level The reunification would come in on a torrent of blood, if at all. But, as you mention, some don't care. Level: Our own country was reunified in a torrent of blood. It would not be my preferred course but still I believe it is their problem and not ours. thompson

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