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Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 8:42:37 AM   
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Considering that cycling commentator Phil Liggett has called it "a viciously cruel sport" and that riders often refer to their “suffering”, I figure that I can't be the only person with an interest in cycling hanging around this site. So for folks who don’t follow it as closely as I do, here’s a preview of the Tour de France which starts on Sat 7/2. We'll start with an overview of the race followed by comments about the contenders.

The Tour de France is the most prestigious and therefore most competitive of the 3 "Grand Tours" which are 3 week cycling races; the other two are the Giro d'Italia in May and Vuelta a Espana in Sept. Basically, these races are a series of individual races called “stages” for sprinters, climbers, and time trialists. Teams that have no contender for an overall win can still find glory if their riders can win a stage. The overall winner will be the rider who combines strong climbing and time trialing along with the ability to recover quickly and repeatedly from the efforts; a strong team is important too so contenders don't lose time during the team time trial. Some basic info on sprints, time trials and climbing follows.

Sprints: 6 the first 8 stages are for the sprinters. Sprinters special skill is explosive power to get top speed in the final 200 meters of a race; however, they don't gain much time on anybody in those last few hundred meters so none of the heroes of the first week will be contenders for the overall win. On these flat stages you might see some breakaway riders ahead of the pack, but the sprinters' teams will usually keep the distance reasonable so they can catch them before the end. Then the final 5 minutes are nuts as teams start jockeying for position and sprinters are leaning on others, nudging with elbows and shoulders, and otherwise trying to muscle their way into the best position for the win. Wanna try that on a bike going 30-40 mph? Le Tour will end with the riders coasting into Paris and then winding it up for the final bunch sprint.

Individual Time Trial: Called "the race of truth" because it is each man racing individually against the clock. On other days riders are in the pack (or peloton) and save energy by drafting on the riders ahead of them. The time trials are what separate the strongest overall riders from pretenders who are merely good climbers. This year there are 2; actually 1 1/3 because the race starts with a short time trial of 19 km which is puny compared with the other at 55 km. The second time trial comes on Stage 20 (July 23) and could decide the winner as it will be the day before the race ends in Paris.

Team Time Trial: Stage 4 on July 5. This is one of the most important stages as a poor performance by the team can hurt the chances of a contender. Here each team goes together, and it is choreographed so they rotate through the leading position briefly letting their teammates follow their draft. It is really neat to watch. The first 5 riders of each team get the same time as the 5th guy across the finish line; others may or may not have kept up. By rule, the most time a team can lose is 2 1/2 minutes; in other words, if the fastest team finishes 4 minutes ahead of the slowest team, the riders in the slowest team only lose 2 1/2 minutes.

Mountains: The key to being a good climber is power/weight ratio; in other words, you've got to overcome gravity to get up the hills so light weight and lots of power works the best. Tactically, the decisive moves usually come on stages that end at the top of climbs; if a stage finishes after descending that makes it riskier to expend a lot of energy escaping alone going up because rivals may band together and catch you going down. The second week is basically all mountains; first the Alps and then the Pyrenees. There are 3 stages with mountaintop finishes, with 2 coming back-to-back on stages 14-15 (July 16-17) to end the mountains week. That means stage 15 is the last chance for climbers to gain an advantage and that will really murder the racers -- it should be fun to watch!

Here are some of the top competitors:

Lance Armstrong (USA)
He's the favorite after winning the last 6. His whole team is dedicated to his success and serve a variety of roles, such as: keeping him near the front of the pack which reduces the chance of getting mixed up with crashes that occur further back; letting him conserve energy by "drafting" behind them like a stock car; climbing specialists that pace him up the final climbs like booster rockets, each peeling off when their job is done until he is left to attack any opponents who could keep up with the pace. Also, his team has won the team time trial two years in a row. There are 2 changes to his team this year; Floyd Landis has changed teams and strongman Viatcheslav Ekimov was injured in a crash; they have been replaced by Yaroslav Popovych and 2 time Giro d'Italia winner Paolo Savoldelli. The team is hoping that Popovych develops into Lance's successor.

The three headed pink monster of Team T-Mobile:
Jan Ullrich (Ger) -- winner in '97, 4th last year, 2nd five times, and the overwhelming favorite to finish 2nd again.
Andreas Kloden (Ger) -- an unexpected 2nd place last year; was it a fluke? In April it was reported that he had problems with his conditioning, and he hasn't looked impressive yet.
Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) -- Finished 3rd in '03 but missed last year's race recovering from a crash. He is just a strong all around attacking rider without excelling in either the mountains or time trials. He’s looking stronger in the mountains this year, though.
Here’s a cute story – these 3 were professional teammates in 2000 and went to the Sydney Olympics, though Vino obviously rode for Kazakhstan. They escaped from the pack and rode alone to the finish; along the way Vino thought Ullrich didn’t look so strong and suggested to Kloden they drop him. Kloden explained that Ullrich was their team leader, so Vino could either choose to work with them and get a silver medal or he could attack and they would make sure he got the bronze. Vino chose silver.

Ivan Basso (Italy)
Finished 7th in '03 and 3rd last year; at age 26 he was relatively young for a Tour podium. His team director Bjarne Riis won this race in '96, and has a knack for getting the best performances out of his riders. Basso has greatly improved his time trial performance since last year as shown when he won a time trial during the Giro d'Italia. He looked poised to win that race until he got puking sick in the mountains and lost huge time.

Team Phonak
Santiago Botero (Col) and Floyd Landis (USA) -- Botero is a former World time trial champion and has 3 top 10 finishes in the Tour including 4th in 2002. Floyd was a key helper of Armstrong's the past 3 years; we already know he's a strong time trialer and climber and now we may get to see what else he can do assuming Phonak paid him the big bucks to have him do more than just ride support for Botero. Their team is strong too; they finished 2nd in last year's team time trial in spite of numerous flat tires and other problems. An interesting note on Floyd -- he's from the Amish country around Lancaster PA, and when he rode his first Tour his mom didn't own a tv so she went to the neighbor's to watch.

Iban Mayo (Spain)
Finished 6th in 2003 and is an outstanding climber; last year he had a great early season only to be burnt out by the time he got to the Tour; he was the focus of some drama one day as he got spit out the back on a climb, got demoralized and tried to quit only to be urged on for more suffering by his team director -- it wasn't pretty. This year he could be a serious threat as he has been building up his conditioning to peak in July. However, expect his team to do poorly in the team time trial and leave him with a 2 minute disadvantage or more to other contenders; paradoxically, that means the others will let him escape for potential stage wins until he has made up enough time to become a threat again.

Levi Leipheimer (USA)
He's the American everyone forgets about, but he has finished 3rd in the Vuelta a Espana and has two top 10 finishes in the Tour; two years ago fractured his pelvis in the same pile-up that broke Tyler Hamilton's collarbone. He is on a team that had a poor team time trial last year; still teammate Georg Totschnig managed to finish 7th overall, so maybe they'll try to improve so Levi and Georg aren't handicapped so much.

The Liberty Seguros pair of Joseba Beloki (Spain) and Roberto Heras (Spain)
Beloki has finished on the podium 3 times and could be expected to be a contender again. But we last saw him in Le Tour in 2003 when he was lying on the road with a broken femur and Lance had to go through a field to avoid crashing into him. He started this year's Giro d'Italia with the intention of using it to train for Le Tour but ended up dropping out half way through; now it looks like his team doesn't have much confidence in him because Heras was named team leader for July. Heras has finished as high 5th place while he was one of Armstrong's helpers, but last year he joined this team and was invisible in Le Tour until he dropped out; perhaps he was training to peak in Sept when he won the Vuelta a Espana for the 3rd time. Heras is a great climber but a weak time trialer, so it will be amusing when we see their crazy team director following in time trials yelling "Venga, venga, venga" from a megaphone.

Rising Stars?:
Alejandro Valverde (Spa) -- He's only 25 and he is a good climber and time trialer as shown when finished 4th last year in the Vuelta a Espana. This is his first Tour de France and his team has other leaders so there is no pressure on him, so he could threaten for stage wins and this experience should prepare him for possible greatness in the future.

Michael Rogers -- Also 25, his 2nd place (and a minute ahead of Ullrich) recently in the 9 day Tour de Suisse suggests he has a bright future ahead of him as a stage racer. However, his team's ambitions in France lie in getting stage wins so he'll get little if any support from them.

past contenders gone:
Tyler Hamilton (USA) -- he's had some "irregularities" with new tests for doping controls and is appealing his suspension from the sport.

You can get more detailed information and daily reports here:

cyclingnews.com

or here’s a tv schedule for US viewers:

OLN tv schedule



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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 9:23:34 AM   
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Considering that cycling commentator Phil Liggett has called it "a viciously cruel sport" and that riders often refer to their “suffering”, I figure that I can't be the only person with an interest in cycling hanging around this site. So for folks who don’t follow it as closely as I do, here’s a preview of the Tour de France which starts on Sat 7/2. We'll start with an overview of the race followed by comments about the contenders.


OLN tv schedule




I'm a "tour de france widow" because my better half watches it every year religiously, so I know there are a few hours every day where he's completely unavailable to me. This has been going on for years.

Ironically, he's very tuned into my "fetishes" -- especially for "suffering" -- and has called me in from time to time and insisted that I must see something in it. He's pointed out specific examples of suffering, and I guess I can kind of see it, but it still doesn't rock my femdom world. Nothing like hockey does, not by a longshot.

Now, my man also is a cyclist himself, and I must say the outfit he wears is incredibly hot, and you don't see me complaining about what it does for his body. Ohhhh my.

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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 9:50:33 AM   
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thank You for the preview: Master is a big Tour de France fan so this will help me tremdously in conversation....thanks again
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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 10:36:44 AM   
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I hope this link works?

http://www.collarchat.com/Will_lance_armstrong_Win_another_Tour_Defrance%3F/m_91449/tm.htm

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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 5:50:18 PM   
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Damn... there was nothing like watching my boy suffer when we did the "Tour de l'Île". I, of course, trained for it. He did not. After about 40km, all I could hear from his is "my nuts hurt!". Ha!

I'm a huge cycling fan. I'm up to 100km a week. And yes, it is my suffering. To be honest though, like all sports, I'd rather engage in them. Watching them on TV doesn't do much for me. Watching a live match, well depends on who/what/when.

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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 5:58:21 PM   
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I'm so pumped for this. I never thoguth I would dig cycling, but Lance is such an amazing athelete - this is one of the greatest stories in athletics ever. Greg Hincappie is also a local from my town of Charlotte, NC, so there is a little hometown rootin' going on.

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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 6:11:44 PM   
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quote:

first from LadyA:
Damn... there was nothing like watching my boy suffer when we did the "Tour de l'Île". I, of course, trained for it. He did not. After about 40km, all I could hear from his is "my nuts hurt!". Ha!

heh -- well his nuts were more likely sore from whatever you did to him the night before than from the bike.

Oh and I'm impressed with your milage. I envy your saddle with the hours you're putting in on it.

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then Faramir:
Greg Hincappie is also a local from my town of Charlotte, NC, so there is a little hometown rootin' going on.

If you're out cheering with the other locals, then remember to yell "Go George!" because that's his first name.


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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/29/2005 7:23:58 PM   
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Oh and I'm impressed with your milage. I envy your saddle with the hours you're putting in on it.


Why thank you! I'm loving every minute that I'm peddling. And I love that it hurts so good.

Oh and btw, in Canada, we call it kilometrage?

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RE: Tour de France preview - 6/30/2005 8:24:21 AM   
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quote:

then Faramir:
Greg Hincappie is also a local from my town of Charlotte, NC, so there is a little hometown rootin' going on.

If you're out cheering with the other locals, then remember to yell "Go George!" because that's his first name.




Doh!

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Stage 1 wrap up - 7/2/2005 9:43:02 PM   
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Hooda thunk that Lance would have passed Ullrich? Not me, but then I didn't account for Ullrich crashing into the back of one of his team cars yesterday.

Today was also important because the times of the top 3 finishers from each team determine the starting order in the team time trial, with the fast guys from team CSC going last. That gives them the advantage of knowing everyone else's time splits and being able to pace themselves accordingly.

So here are some of the selected contenders with their time gap from today's winner David Zabriski, along with a few more comments. We've got a week of sprints and the Team Time Trial before things really shake out in the mountains.

1 David Zabriskie (USA) Team CSC 20.51 (54.67 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 0.02
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 0.53
6 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.02
10 Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 1.06
Igor isn't a bad climber; not as good as Beloki or Heras, but maybe his team director will throw him into the mix and hope one of them sticks with the big boys.

12 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 1.08
14 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 1.13
20 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 1.26
25 Santiago Botero (Col) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.30
Geez! I thought Botero would win today; instead he couldn't even beat his "helper" Floyd.

45 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step 1.53
That's a lame performance from the reigning World TT champ!

51 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 2.01
last year Kloden beat Basso in the last ITT to snag second place overall. Looks like Basso's been practicing so that doesn't happen again.

56 Joseba Beloki (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 2.05
79 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 2.20
I guess the Liberty Seguros team director didn't yell "venga venga venga" often enough.

82 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 2.24
175 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 3.15
Stick a fork in Mayo -- he's done already!


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WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/4/2005 9:14:08 PM   
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Tues 7/5 is the team time trial event. I think this is a cool event and I've heard that it is a popular among folks who aren't cycling addicts like me. I'd try to describe it but it would probably sound stupid. So just tune in, take a look, and if you don't like it change to something else.

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/4/2005 9:38:44 PM   
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I hope Lance Armstrong loses.

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 1:21:55 AM   
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Commie pinko. A lot of Frenchmen feel as you do too.


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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 6:40:20 AM   
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Why? The man worked damn hard!

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 7:48:00 AM   
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Actually, I thought the French love Lance Armstrong.

I want him to lose because I think he's a phoney. I don't like those hateful commercials he has done for Bristol Myers Squibb. Yeah, I know, most athletes do endorsements, but those are particularly odious. Some people do charity work if they want to support cancer research. Lance does promotional bike runs for big pharma.

Second, I am convinced that he has cheated. There are too many different people saying too many things that all hang together. And these are people whose credibility has never been questioned--like Greg Lemond. Yeah, I know he's passed every drug test he's ever taken, but that doesn't convince me either.

I guess there's a third reason: he's a smug son of a bitch. Yeah, I know most athletes are, but some of them hide it better than others.

Edited to add: It didn't exactly endear him to me when he came out in support of Paris for the Olympic Games. Yeah, I'm not one of those patriotic hypocrites with red-white-and-blue underwear, but I don't think we have to CAMPAIGN for Paris when New York is trying to put together a once-in-a-lifetime bid for the Games.

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Commie pinko. A lot of Frenchmen feel as you do too.



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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 6:58:00 PM   
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I guess there's a third reason: he's a smug son of a bitch.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, but I suppose that should be no surprise coming from someone calling cancer research commercials "hateful". Funny too that you would criticize Armstrong for supporting Paris' Olympic bid, yet your belief that he dopes without having any proof is just like that of most Frenchmen.

Anyway, after that interlude for nonsensical opinions, here are the time gaps for some of the top guys after the team time trial. There shouldn't be any change in relative positions until they hit the mountains on Sunday; then it is kind of fun to watch the rankings change as everyone but the real contenders lose 1/2 hour or so per day.

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 9.59.12
7 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 1.21
10 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 1.26
14 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 1.36
18 Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 1.44
20 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.50
27 Santiago Botero (Col) Phonak Hearing Systems 2.18
28 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 2.21
30 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 2.29
33 Joseba Beloki (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 2.43
37 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 2.58
55 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 3.32
80 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step 4.11
147 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 5.48

I recall that in 2003 Iban Mayo was way back when the mountains started, so when he attacked nobody else cared. He gained about 2 minutes back from Armstrong that day, ending the day in 3rd place just 1 minute back so afterwards he was regarded as a threat. He's not likely to have that much success this year, but I still think he could put on a show next week.


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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 7:41:20 PM   
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I want him to lose because I think he's a phoney. I don't like those hateful commercials he has done for Bristol Myers Squibb. Yeah, I know, most athletes do endorsements, but those are particularly odious. Some people do charity work if they want to support cancer research. Lance does promotional bike runs for big pharma.

He does the ads for BMS because their drugs saved his life and his cycling career. That big phoney!

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Second, I am convinced that he has cheated. There are too many different people saying too many things that all hang together. And these are people whose credibility has never been questioned--like Greg Lemond. Yeah, I know he's passed every drug test he's ever taken, but that doesn't convince me either.

That sure is some brilliant logic there. You're beginning to sound like Ant.

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I guess there's a third reason: he's a smug son of a bitch. Yeah, I know most athletes are, but some of them hide it better than others.

Oh, the irony!

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Edited to add: It didn't exactly endear him to me when he came out in support of Paris for the Olympic Games. Yeah, I'm not one of those patriotic hypocrites with red-white-and-blue underwear, but I don't think we have to CAMPAIGN for Paris when New York is trying to put together a once-in-a-lifetime bid for the Games.

He's right, because Paris is a better choice for a host city. An Olympics in NYC would be an absolute nightmare and an almost certain target for more terrorist activity. Besides, we had better let Bush's war kill off all those Muslim Iraquis before hosting another Olympic games, just to play it safe.

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 8:49:51 PM   
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Right, it's always the Iraquis' fault.

Edited to add--about the cheating: It's not supposed to be logical; it's the way I feel. The same way I'm convinced that Mark McGwire cheated too. Some things are true even if they can't be proven.

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 9:46:15 PM   
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Right, it's always the Iraquis' fault.

Of course. They're probably the culprits behind that drinking water flouridation plot too.

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Edited to add--about the cheating: It's not supposed to be logical; it's the way I feel. The same way I'm convinced that Mark McGwire cheated too. Some things are true even if they can't be proven.

I'm sorry, but comparing McGwire to Armstrong is laughable. The former openly admitted to using androstenedione and took the fifth when asked about other steriod use during the House Government Reform Committee earlier this year. He's about as clean as New York snow.

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RE: WATCH THE TEAM TIME TRIAL!! - 7/5/2005 10:22:14 PM   
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Yeah, well, Palmeiro and Sosa didn't take the Fifth, and I don't believe them either. What's your point exactly--that I don't really think Armstrong cheated, I'm just deceiving myself? I'll give you a taste of your own medicine: What I said is the truth; your opinion is irrelevant. (Only I won't misspell "irrelevant.")

Oh, and edited to add: Armstrong gets PAID for those BMS ads.

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