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EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 4:30:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat I knew what ya meant. Was just explaining it to the guy and not correcting you. Your meaning was quite obvious. Bob aye

DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 4:41:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Now, on to the means we have to eradicate xenophobia and prejudice in our immediate vicinities. Any thoughts? All my thoughts seem utopian and kumbayaish. The hell of it is...I think they're good ideas, as pollyanaish as they sound. Like, learn about each other. Share our cultural and ethnic differences and come to see them as just that: differences and not threats. Maybe we all need to be more comfortable and secure about who we ourselves are, and then we won't feel threatened by the ways of others. In other words, if I can truly come to terms with my own honkiness, then I don't have to feel threatened by some other guy's Muslimiosity or another's Hinduness (I'm coining words here). Also, a key element to me seems to be material security. Remember that song by the Byrds, Eight Miles High? It has a line: No where is there warmth to be found Among those afraid of losing their own I think there's some wisdom in that. No science here; I'm just saying what I feel. Bob

seeksfemslave -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 4:48:13 PM)
quote: DesertRat Maybe we all need to be more comfortable and secure about who we ourselves are, and then we won't feel threatened by the ways of others This is true but what wont work is trying to pretend that differences do not exist and some of those differences do not pose serious social problems.

Griswold -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 4:48:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol There is one human race but 'race' as it's commonly accepted here with its colourful definition (pink, brown, peach, and green) simply doesn't exist. It's very possible that I, a seemingly white Jewish chick from Europe, could have more in common with Nelson Mandela, a Zulu from South Africa, than with my cousin Billy Goldenberg from Australia. I attach a handy-clickable for information. Fuck, I'm mad. http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=8149 What have you been smokin'? I'll tell you what...most white people don't have anything against black people. That's (largely) been made up by the press. Yeah, I know...more black people get picked up/off by the cops...but it's common knowledge that (let the hate spew begin) blacks kill more blacks than....(etc.). "A greater percentage of black people, according to the general population, end up in prison for the SAME crimes that white people go to prison for". Uh huh. Tell me something I don't know. White people know that if they sell dope, they need to set aside some percentage of their dope sales in reserve for a GOOD ATTORNEY!!!!! (Now, there's a thought). When I turn illegally on a red light...I hire an attorney. Why? Because I don't have to pay incredibly high insurance rates for the next 11 years due to my horrid driving record when I hire an attorney to make my bad choices go away. In the current issue of "The Economist", an international review of the world as it stands at that week (Aug 4 - 10, 2007), Ted Hayes of "Choose Black America" says "we're being overrun", speaking of the Mexican advance on their jobs. Apparently it's no longer the whites that are destroying America (or their opportunities), now it's the Mexicans. And as it appears, now the vitriol of black people is no longer against whites...it's against the Mexicans who are "stealing their jobs". How about black people saying..."hey...I'll take that job...I'm good with that...." How about black people potentially agreeing with what Bill Cosby said....(effectively)..."it's you". I don't blame anyone for my lack of advance in society. I've done ok...I could have done better...I'm certain others have advanced in positions they didn't deserve (they were taller, better looking, had better background)...but you know what? They got the advance. (It might just be you!...regardless of the color of your skin!) I'm guessing, aside from the obvious, that they may have been better looking, came from better schools, had a better address.... They might have fucking tried harder. And I'm willing to give them that. There are a number of people, and yes, a number of races that will continue to excell beyond their due. Until people of all races accept the fact that the world is generally equal, and it applies the worlds rational of equality, in a relatively equal basis....but you *have* to participate....and sometimes that means you actually have to work harder (and sometimes, harder than the other guy...and yes...occasionally that sucks)..... Then there will be inequality. And yes....occasionally that sucks. (And no...I'm not a racist...I just run the numbers).

DesertRat -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 4:57:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave This is true but what wont work is trying to pretend that differences do not exist and some of those differences do not pose serious social problems. Glad you agree. Bob

slaveish -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:06:52 PM)
~grinning at Griswold~ I'm all about personal responsibility, and I will echo your sentiment that it sucks. When I am not personally responsible for myself or my position, I falter. That sucks. That there is no one to blame but myself, that sucks even harder. I'm not sure if I agree that white people don't feel bad about other races. I live in a fairly open-minded southern city, a large one, and although I wasn't raised with racial prejudices I can tell you that it's alive and well. One of my UM's uttered a racial slur, brought to my home from her school. It brought tears to my eyes - it was the first time she said anything about it. The funny thing was that she had the slur in reverse - she'd apparently heard it about someone of her own race from someone of another, and she's still innocent enough to not understand it. Until then, though, it seemed that none of them noticed colors and I had such hope that maybe this would be the generation that "got" it. And it's not just white people against black, or black against white, or Mexican against anyone in particular. It's ~differences~ that seem to be so threatening, like a carry-over from earlier years where everyone had to assimilate to be acceptable.

EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:12:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave The jargon itself may be factual, it's the interpretation that follows from the knowledge of that jargon that is wrong IMO. hmm, our grounded jargon, as you say, which is based in fact, is just that.- jargon according to you. yet the fact your interpretation of our jargon is trailed by conjecture? well how is that debate? you're going off your observations yet we're going off scientific fact. you pretty much summed up what i was attempting to say in one misappropriated sentence. our FACTUAL interpretation is wrong because we use big words yet your conjectural interpretation is right because you've based everything you've said so far on observation..? hmmm.. quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave Whenever a little ad hominem attack creeps into the debate its reasonable to conclude that the opposition is rattled. i would agree. you have not gone the ad hom route. however, you aren't blatantly being ad hominem and i will give you that... but you asked for fact. you were received with fact from numerous folks and then you subsequently turned it into psuedo-technical jargon when in reality it is fact (minus typos.) why ask for fact then retute it without backing up your assertions and observations up? quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave I simply offer my opinions based on my experience and observation of the world as I see it. [/qoute] yes, experiences as you see it.. NOT a study., not FACT!!!!!! you said it right there!.. you're offering your opinions and experiences. can you or can you NOT concede to the fact that your opinions or experiences may not exact the science behind? . i see things entirely differently than the average person may.. but whatever i see is accepted per the scientific demarcations that back up what i'm saying. what you're saying is backed up by observations. unless you're doing a globally double blind.. then i really have no use for your observations. at that point your observations are conjecture. ok, going off your observations, how would i be classified? someone originating from obviously black stock be classified? my IQ is not great, only slightly above 145 which while it DOES make me technically a genius, i don't hold much credo in intelligence quotient. (and i have taken 3 IQs.. 141, 148 and 145.. so i take the median).. that technically makes me genius. i speak french, italian, latin, spanish, english and olde english, some serbo croatian, american sign language, some Q gaelic, a little ancient greek and some aramaic. also i have a degree in physics, chemistry, linguistics and ceramic art. gee.. i guess the capacity for thought is lost on me. per your observations i should NEVER be capable of complex thought. do you attribute my intellect to my race? (surely not, you seem to have bell curve views of intellect).. am i a fluke? would you blame my intelligence on the fact that i'm multiracial? is it my white side behind why i'm so smart? or COULD you concede to the fact that perhaps my intelligence is a product of where i was born? the nutrition i had? and the environment i was raised in? if i were SOLEY going by racial stereotypes..lol i'd be drinking a 40 ounce on the corner and selling crack while pimpin some hos. sorry, asians don't have the market cornered on math skills. whites don't have the corner on critical thinking and all middle easterners are not terrorists. you totally shun the various factors that govern intelligence. honestly.. i feel sorry for you.. perchance you should get out more. is your passport up to date? quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave If I see a group that sits in the Sun and eats grubs for breakfast and have done that for a good number of years and I see another group that builds nuclear weapons is it so unreasonable to conclude that those groups are not equal ? there are so many indig groups that just astound me. they're hunters and gatherers and eat bugs or have odd initiation rights that i feel are SO out there.. BUT that does not inherently oblige them to being predisposed to lack of intellgience. they just simply are doing what needs to fundamentally be done to survive in their sphere of influence. it does NOT mean that they are intellectually incapable of going beyond that. sorta like the croc analogy. they are doing what is necessary to stay alive. ok so different people on different continents and varying phenotypes live differently or exhibit different traits. you never addressed my reasons for IQ being disparaging. i posed that on a different post. you also never approached the imperialism of africa. you want people to address what you pose, yet you do not do the same. as such.. i will not bother to address yours. why should i bother to address your arguments?... when you do not bother to address mine?

EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:15:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: DesertRat Maybe we all need to be more comfortable and secure about who we ourselves are, and then we won't feel threatened by the ways of others This is true but what wont work is trying to pretend that differences do not exist and some of those differences do not pose serious social problems. dammit seeks.. WHO is trying to pretend to that the differences don't exist. you're arguing apples and oranges dammit! no one said that we are not CULTURALLY or even ETHNICALLY different. we're saying that the skin differences are not great enough to warrant calling us other races.. i'm done addressing your views.. you have you views.. and you'll die with them. and i mean that honestly.. not wishing you death or whatever. OBVIOUSLY you have preconceived notions of race that you were probably raised with and will probably die with. i'm sorry you won't view yourself as a citizen of the world. based on supposed race.

kittinSol -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:16:17 PM)
Interesting that you focused the discussion on a black/white dichotomy. It's obvious it comes from your own experience. I have had had no such experience, because I come from a place where it was ACTIVELY discouraged to show prejudice in any shape or form. Huh, good luck with your venture, whatever it may be.

kittinSol -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:24:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveish The funny thing was that she had the slur in reverse - she'd apparently heard it about someone of her own race from someone of another, and she's still innocent enough to not understand it. - my highlights Need I say more, slaveish? You are using the semantical arsenal of racial prejudice without even being aware of it. It was part of the reason why I posted the thread in the first place. 'Race' is a very American notion, and one I shall combat actively for as long as I can. It is meaningful in the historical context of segregation in the South. It's a shameful remnant of the USA's past. It's good that we are questioning it. Goddammit.

DarkWriter -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:28:49 PM)
I love what you wrote right up to the end when you began to talk about equality. The way I see it, there is no equality, there never has been and there never will be. There will always be someone bigger and faster and stronger and smarter and harder working than you are, and to someone else, that bigger, stronger, etc., person will be you. There will always be one group that tops another, one sector of society that holds the reins of power and spends most of its time maintaining its position. There will always be haves and there will always be have-nots and that will always be the way of it. This is life and fair has nothing to do with it. Fairness is a fantasy cooked up in some long-ago schoolyard. The cold reality of life is that you play the hand you are dealt, do the best you can with what you have, and you don't whine about it.

EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:36:50 PM)
quote: When I turn illegally on a red light...I hire an attorney. quote: ORIGINAL: Griswold quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol There is one human race but 'race' as it's commonly accepted here with its colourful definition (pink, brown, peach, and green) simply doesn't exist. It's very possible that I, a seemingly white Jewish chick from Europe, could have more in common with Nelson Mandela, a Zulu from South Africa, than with my cousin Billy Goldenberg from Australia. I attach a handy-clickable for information. Fuck, I'm mad. http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=8149 What have you been smokin'? I'll tell you what...most white people don't have anything against black people. That's (largely) been made up by the press. Yeah, I know...more black people get picked up/off by the cops...but it's common knowledge that (let the hate spew begin) blacks kill more blacks than....(etc.). "A greater percentage of black people, according to the general population, end up in prison for the SAME crimes that white people go to prison for". Uh huh. Tell me something I don't know. White people know that if they sell dope, they need to set aside some percentage of their dope sales in reserve for a GOOD ATTORNEY!!!!! (Now, there's a thought). When I turn illegally on a red light...I hire an attorney. Why? Because I don't have to pay incredibly high insurance rates for the next 11 years due to my horrid driving record when I hire an attorney to make my bad choices go away. In the current issue of "The Economist", an international review of the world as it stands at that week (Aug 4 - 10, 2007), Ted Hayes of "Choose Black America" says "we're being overrun", speaking of the Mexican advance on their jobs. Apparently it's no longer the whites that are destroying America (or their opportunities), now it's the Mexicans. And as it appears, now the vitriol of black people is no longer against whites...it's against the Mexicans who are "stealing their jobs". How about black people saying..."hey...I'll take that job...I'm good with that...." How about black people potentially agreeing with what Bill Cosby said....(effectively)..."it's you". I don't blame anyone for my lack of advance in society. I've done ok...I could have done better...I'm certain others have advanced in positions they didn't deserve (they were taller, better looking, had better background)...but you know what? They got the advance. (It might just be you!...regardless of the color of your skin!) I'm guessing, aside from the obvious, that they may have been better looking, came from better schools, had a better address.... They might have fucking tried harder. And I'm willing to give them that. There are a number of people, and yes, a number of races that will continue to excell beyond their due. Until people of all races accept the fact that the world is generally equal, and it applies the worlds rational of equality, in a relatively equal basis....but you *have* to participate....and sometimes that means you actually have to work harder (and sometimes, harder than the other guy...and yes...occasionally that sucks)..... Then there will be inequality. And yes....occasionally that sucks. (And no...I'm not a racist...I just run the numbers). i would attempt to rip you a new asshole..lol but rather i'd pity you. seriously.. not worth my time to debate. yet another that jumped into the thread half arsed. lol what you've said is so beneath me to parse that i simply cannot be bothered to address. edited to add. perhaps i read you wrong? i will cop to that.. perhaps i read you wrong, i really don't know know what you're trying to say. perhaps i DID read you wrong.. but i edited after i read you 3 times.. i swear i still don't know what you're saying. and that is not being a bitch. i just really didnt get what you were saying.. someone in your family did what with someone from your family what? seriously.. i'm really lost. and that is not being mean.. i really need a bit of clarification.

Griswold -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 5:36:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveish ~grinning at Griswold~ I'm all about personal responsibility, and I will echo your sentiment that it sucks. When I am not personally responsible for myself or my position, I falter. That sucks. That there is no one to blame but myself, that sucks even harder. I'm not sure if I agree that white people don't feel bad about other races. I live in a fairly open-minded southern city, a large one, and although I wasn't raised with racial prejudices I can tell you that it's alive and well. One of my UM's uttered a racial slur, brought to my home from her school. It brought tears to my eyes - it was the first time she said anything about it. The funny thing was that she had the slur in reverse - she'd apparently heard it about someone of her own race from someone of another, and she's still innocent enough to not understand it. Until then, though, it seemed that none of them noticed colors and I had such hope that maybe this would be the generation that "got" it. And it's not just white people against black, or black against white, or Mexican against anyone in particular. It's ~differences~ that seem to be so threatening, like a carry-over from earlier years where everyone had to assimilate to be acceptable. Awesome comment! I was raised in Seattle. Other than Anchorage, we're pretty much the Northern most. Other than that they had a better tan, I really didn't focus on any differences as a kid. Then I got shipped off to Military school in the early 70's. The South, no less. The South. Kentucky. Kentucky. For a Seattle boy of 13. It was a bit of an experience. I didn't actually know what the South was...other than it was distinctly more Southerly than where I lived. It's a different world. I learned things there that I had no concept of. Today it blows me away what I learned there. I won't go into it, those that know the South will probably comprehend what I learned, those that never left the North....don't even try...you'll never get it. Fast forward to 1999. I moved out in 1995. It wasn't working. Nuff said.... I dated this woman, she was an attorney. Sharp woman, highly capable....I'd been on the dating circuit for about 18 months....a bit of a virgin...after 10 years. We'd dated for a good length of time....it was time to meet the fam. Florida...(remember, I'm from Seattle), everyone has a pool (I didn't know this actually), it's stormy, we're on the back porch having a few drinks (me and the brother in laws...there to check me out)....they ushered me in (I loved the bolting lights...they kept yelling "HEY....IDIOT!!!!!! WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOU!!!!") A few lightning bolts go off...and the brothers in law start to talk about the Daytona 500, car parts, Hemis, things that make shitloads worth of noise when they crash into shit...and that kind of shit..... I'm thinking, let's talk about your stock portfolio, have you ever considered a real estate investment trust, what's the vacancy rate on commercial office space in your region, do you think this is a reasonable area to invest in...what are the long term projections for population growth...... And one of them says to me.... "Ya know...all the niggers are taking our jobs?" And I'm thinking...."This is 1999....I don't think I actually heard that....it must be the beer...." And then they said it again! "The niggers are stealing our jobs!" Those fucking pricks". And of course, the logic of marrying into this family became rather suspect....(but I have to tell you...she had really killer tits)..... And I'm thinking....Wow...this is 1999....I think this is beyond amazing...." And then I realized.... There's some real pricks in this world. (And yes....I killed them).

EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:03:51 PM)
i think i jumped the gun on Gris. never let it be said when i jump the gun that i can not admit to that fact. i read each post and then i respond.. this time upon several reads.. i think i did jump it. never let it be said that Goddess is not magnanimous. i do feel i felt his post was taken wrongly by me. after a few readings i did see that i misinterpreted him. but ONLY him.. no one else gets a get off of Goddess free card

Rule -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:05:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess anything i said someone can easily google. genetic drift, linkage disequilibrium, phenotype, human genome, genotype, out of africa theory, physical anthropology, bell curve, infrasubspecific, quadramonial.. ... ALL of these terms are right there waiting for anyone with an open mind to research it. Why so defensive? Are you insecure? First you admonish people to look up the words that you use that they are not familiar with, you list those specific words to boot, and then you go all defensive when someone does. If it displeases you that someone takes your councel to heart, then why did you councel him thusly? I was not out to get you or to nit-pick. I simply asked for elucidation. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess my IQ is not great, only slightly above 145 which while it DOES make me technically a genius, It is impressive and a lot higher than mine. But then I am not a genius, but a supergenius. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess i don't hold much credo in intelligence quotient. That is sensible. Neither do I since some years. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess do you attribute my intellect to my race? (surely not, you seem to have bell curve views of intellect).. am i a fluke? No, you are a specialist. Most likely you have an huge soul and per force the two other parts of your mind are severely deficient. Your high IQ then is a consequence of this deficiency. Seeks may remember my analogy of the one-legged man that runs faster than a normal man with two legs. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess there are so many indig groups that just astound me. they're hunters and gatherers and eat bugs or have odd initiation rights that i feel are SO out there.. BUT that does not inherently oblige them to being predisposed to lack of intellgience. they just simply are doing what needs to fundamentally be done to survive in their sphere of influence. it does NOT mean that they are intellectually incapable of going beyond that. I agree. However, in some populations the specialist high IQ minds may occur at lower frequency than in other populations. This would manifest as a relatively low mean IQ. In itself that is not necessarily bad, as - having generalist minds - they would excell in other mental capabilities. IQ-snobs, though, would erroneously consider them to be inferior.

marieToo -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:15:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Well, perhaps it would have been courteous to suggest this to the 'OP' directly? Just a thought :) Kittin: I actually agreed with your base concept, more than once in this thread. And for the record, I usually respond to posts that seem to strike a chord within me. Zensee's post did just that, so I responded to him. If you see that as less than courteous to you, well then you see it as less than courteous to you. quote: PS: 'race' is more than a scientifically inacurate word, it's an inadequate notion altogether. Your premise that 'racism' cannot exist in the absence of the notion of 'race' is bordering on insulting for the many of us who have been on the receiving end of it. Just another thought. You missed my point. Maybe because I didnt articulate it in a way that would make it understood, but I can assure you, you didnt get what I was saying. I could try to explain again, but won't, because my attempt was to make a contribution to the thread, not be met with derision because my point of view, or manner of speaking is not in accordance with your own. You are quick to jump to the worst possible conclusion, rather than to seek clarity in a civilized manner. I have noticed that every person here who disagreed with you was met with sarcasm and mockery. Even those who agreed with you, but suggested it be approached differently were met with catty and nasty comments. Therefore, I will leave you to your anger, but not before I wish you a speedy recovery.

marieToo -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:19:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo If there is no such thing as race, there can be no such thing as racism. there is no such thing as race, yes.. that is scientifically proven. racism stems from the inate human need to pigeon hole and quantify things so they are more easily digestible. quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo But of course we know each of them exists, but if we find a new term for race, then clearly the term for racism, racist etc, must also be changed. there is no such thing, biologically speaking, as race. if you had read the rest of the forum, that would be blatantly apparent to you based upon irrefutable facts posed by other posters. quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo From a scientific point of view (from all the talented scientists who've contributed here) it would seem that "race" is merely the term that the government and society has coined to differentiate our enthnicities or origins, even if it isn't exactingly accurate. hmm.. sorry, i didn't know that people into BDSM were entirely incapable of being scientists. gee.. my university better refund me my money for all of the Bachelors of Science that i have (and in more disciplines than i noted here. i actually have a triple major, quadruple minor).. i just merely noted the degrees i possess based upon what is relevant to the topic at hand. so yes, people on this forum are just as liable to be scientists, artists, lawyers and even perhaps politicians. just because we're on a BDSM forum does not mean that we are incapable of being scientists. i, myself, am fundamentally a scientist. people that are totally not knowledgable of certain disciplines would not be able to express themselves in scientific terms. You must have assumed I was being sarcastic. Read this a little bit more slowly. From a scientific point of view (from all the talented scientists who've contributed here) it would seem that "race" is merely the term that the government and society has coined to differentiate our enthnicities or origins, even if it isn't exactingly accurate

Griswold -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess i think i jumped the gun on Gris. never let it be said when i jump the gun that i can not admit to that fact. i read each post and then i respond.. this time upon several reads.. i think i did jump it. never let it be said that Goddess is not magnanimous. i do feel i felt his post was taken wrongly by me. after a few readings i did see that i misinterpreted him. but ONLY him.. no one else gets a get off of Goddess free card :)

slaveish -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 6:54:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: slaveish The funny thing was that she had the slur in reverse - she'd apparently heard it about someone of her own race from someone of another, and she's still innocent enough to not understand it. - my highlights Need I say more, slaveish? You are using the semantical arsenal of racial prejudice without even being aware of it. It was part of the reason why I posted the thread in the first place. 'Race' is a very American notion, and one I shall combat actively for as long as I can. It is meaningful in the historical context of segregation in the South. It's a shameful remnant of the USA's past. It's good that we are questioning it. Goddammit. What the ... Ok, so ... races don't exist ... but ... I am not "supposed" to know what my daughter is talking about when she utters a racial slur ... We don't live in neat little utopian bubbles, kittin. It would be great if we did. REALITY, however, is that there are races, there are slurs, and we all know what they mean. I am sorry to offend your extreme sensibilities, goddamnit back at you, but life is what it is and races are what they are. We can play semantics all day long if you want to - I'm game - but you and your provocative "I'm right / you're wrong" attitude wears me out. Lighten up, babe. We ain't gettin' outta here alive.

CuriousLord -> RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. (8/6/2007 8:01:06 PM)
Okay people. We've established: -Race exists. (Numerous cites have been provided.) -Race isn't the end-all of identifying the generality of a person. (Races aren't as different as some seem to think.) -Acknowledging race doesn't imply racism. (Nor does acknowledging the genders make one sexist.) There are different races. It doesn't freaking make this world a horrible place. We don't all have to be the exact same thing to get along. (Get the head out of the dirt.) Not to you, slaveish, just quick replying.

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