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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 4:39:30 PM   
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"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama said.



Assuming he's good for his word, credit to the bloke. Then again, is there anyone on this planet who thinks using nuclear weapons would be a good idea?


Probably the thousands of WWII vets who are still alive because they didn't have to invade Japan.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 4:59:26 PM   
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Wish I'd thought of that and posted it...

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 5:04:09 PM   
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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 8:50:35 PM   
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He has also recently stated that he would invade Pakistan if elected...



Is that a vote winner? Where will it end.........

What's the other bloke's election slogan......"thus spoke freedom and liberty, fuck it, I'll nuke Bhutan"?

Anyway, aren't the Iranians first in line for the final solution?


It has to do with capturing Bin Ladin then just picking countries to invade...

He said that if the United States recieved accurate intel on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Ladin, and if he was in Pakistan, and if President Mushareff does not get him, that the US should invade and get him.


So he agrees that Bush was correct in the invasion of Afghanistan. Since the presence of OBL was the reason for both ideas.

And what when OBL makes it to Tajikistan or one of the other muslim asian nations?


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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 8:52:57 PM   
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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 9:13:14 PM   
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However, he DID threaten to destroy the "holy" sites of their cult, if pushed! If we had done that 10 years ago, perhaps they would be more humble now.


We've been humiliating and humbling them since about 1920 (in the modern era at least). How's that workin' out for us? Do you really not have a clue why some of them hate us? They didn't just wake up some day and decide it would be fun to die in suicide crashes into our tallest buildings. Stuff comes from somewhere. Subtle concept, I know. Might be worth thinking about though.

And Islam is no more nutso and violent than the primitive cult that has a stranglehold over so many feeble minds in this struggling-to-emerge-from-adolescence country. Don't forget that George Bush's tribal "God" told him to invade Iraq. And now we've got another cult leader rising on the GOP side.


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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/3/2007 9:42:13 PM   
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Sen. Abba dabba just wants to buy the world a coke, doesn't he?
He sounds like a State Dept worker.


And the State Department people, notwithstanding Mr. Powell's caving to the neocon desires to mislead the country, were right about Iraq not being a threat. Are you saying that the junior Senator from Illinois sounds like he's got more than his share of wisdom in his head? I agree with you.

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That's the misstake "civilised" people always make when dealing with savages. They assume that just because (they're) civilised then the savages must surely be as well.


Um, we just invaded a sovereign country that never attacked us and had no means or plans to, and it's resulted in over 600,000 civilian deaths so far. While I guess that makes us an authority on savagery, I otherwise don't see your point.

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You need someone a little "bloodthirsty" in the White House.


We've got one. The adolescent cowboy presidential model, unencumbered by any common sense or reality inhabitation, has been roundly discredited. You may have missed that.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 3:40:45 AM   
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And the State Department people, notwithstanding Mr. Powell's caving to the neocon desires to mislead the country,


You misspelled "Consipracy to defraud the United States, in violation of 18 USC 371".



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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 12:01:15 PM   
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However, he DID threaten to destroy the "holy" sites of their cult, if pushed! If we had done that 10 years ago, perhaps they would be more humble now.


We've been humiliating and humbling them since about 1920 (in the modern era at least). How's that workin' out for us? Do you really not have a clue why some of them hate us? They didn't just wake up some day and decide it would be fun to die in suicide crashes into our tallest buildings. Stuff comes from somewhere. Subtle concept, I know. Might be worth thinking about though.

And Islam is no more nutso and violent than the primitive cult that has a stranglehold over so many feeble minds in this struggling-to-emerge-from-adolescence country. Don't forget that George Bush's tribal "God" told him to invade Iraq. And now we've got another cult leader rising on the GOP side.

Well, remember, the Islam death-cult has been spreading like a cancer for at LEAST 1,000 years! The Crusades were an attempt to prune it back, AFTER it had spread all the way to Spawn, NOT an "attack by the Europeans on 'innocent' Moslems"! However, the Moslems are RIGHT, the civilized world doesn't have the stomach for prolonged war, so we've never wiped out the cancer entirely. Cancer that is only "reduced" is still deadly, just ask my Grandpa...Talk LOUD, he's dead, so his hearing's shot! Come to think of it, looks like the cancer's spreading again, only this time with the shields of "multiculturalism" and "tolerance", it's reached lands as distant as England, and even our own beleaguered shores!
Although I argued mightily in another thread on here about a breeding enemy crossing borders, our next great threat might be bred here, and just turned against us by a reactionary cult that has survived a thousand years of halfhearted attempts to wipe it out, and become stronger for its troubles...sort of like modern drug-resistant diseases?
Think of it, the ones that flew planes into our biggest buildings were raised in America, pretended to be "tame", had sampled the best of what America has to offer--and STILL would rather kill themselves and a few thousand Americans than assimilate!

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 12:42:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without wanting to tread into the tiresome "let's kill 'em all 'cause they're brown and talk strange" debate that is currently ongoing, I'd like to respond to the original post and opine on the matter of Senator Obama's comments regarding presidential authorization for the use of nuclear weapons. 

It's my belief that Sen. Obama showed much naivete and political inexperience with regards to the subject of nuclear weapons in a middle-east conflict.  Making any sort of generalised black and white statement along thes lines in irresponsible primarily because the implications of both their use AND refusal of use has such a great impact on military and foreign policy.  Since the early days of the cold war, direct threats of a nuclear exchange were themselves few and far between.  Nobody should ever have to comment on the justifications of use because the doctrine of detterence already makes such a powerful suggestion on it's own behalf. 

To simplify, the fact that you have WMD and can exercise their use at any time in itself is both a threat and means of deterrence, and to make a public statement either threatening or denying use of those weapons puts the issue of deterrence at risk.  Obama is in a situation now where no matter what happens, he's on record for making the comment and can be easily criticised for trying to simplify a very complex issue.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 12:53:34 PM   
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Hell, delaying the US entry in the war until 2 million Jews were already exterminated... I'm sorry, until Japan attacked must have saved a hell of a lot of lives too!




Oh irony.

It wasn't known there was an extermination until the troops rolled into the concentration camps.  Before Japan attacked, there was no lack of individuals saying "This isn't our war!" either.  We should accept a role of responsibility as a world leader, or we stay the hell out; including our 'economic interests.'  It isn't a question of right or wrong, it's a question of how much backlash we are willing to endure.  Ironically, that's how our leaders view it; "What will be the political impact of what appears to be a necessary military incursion?"

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 1:31:41 PM   
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We should accept a role of responsibility as a world leader, or we stay the hell out; including our 'economic interests.' 


I'd like to make a remark as a learned observer to the statement you've just made.

Now I'm not American, but rather a Canadian with a healthy respect for people of all nationalities and cultural backgrounds.  Despite my political, religious, and social outlooks and their contrast with the majority of American citizens, I hold my neighbours to the south in relatively high regard.

Lately, however, with the current policies and direction of the White House administration and obvious political and social trends throughout the nation as a whole, my regard ifs turning into disapointment more than anything else.  Not so much anger or frustration, but dissapointment in  the world's most powerful democracy for neglecting it's ability and will to do good throughout the world.  We're talking about the same country that, at the end of World War II, offered billions of dollars in aid and millions of hours of manpower to help rebuild a shattered Europe in the face of a growing Communist threat from Russia.  The Americans helped rebuild the highways, seaports, canals, and rail networks of France, Poland, Germany, Italy, and many more nations.  Since then, the US has also played a key role in  various peacekeeping operations throughout the world and helped spread democracy and freedom to many formerly-oppressed nations.    In the grans scale of things, the US has contributed greatly in a positve manner to the world in which we live and I hope it continues to do so as well.  I cannot stress this enough:  The United States has so much POTENTIAL to do so many good works throughout the world.  You've got the largest military, the most powerful economy, and, honestly, one of the most advanced political systems in the world.

But with all that said and done, there are times when the US has the ability to do good, but doesn't.  Or even worse, does something that goes against it's very principles as a nation.  Somehow it seems, someone has to completely mess things up.

Consider the aftermath of 9/11.  With the exception of a few fringe nations, You had the WORLD on your side.  For a few weeks, we were all New Yorkers.  The western powers as well as several former enemy states all pledged their support and displayed their condolences for the victims of the terrrorist attacks.  The United States was catapulted in the eyes of the international community as stoic and proud.  There was so much support and eagerness to get behind you and we promised to stand by you in reponse to the atrocities.

6 years later, it's all gone south.  What happened?  How did you're leaders bring you down to being hated and mocked on such a scale as you are now?  I think I know much of the answer, but it just goes to show that you were so highly regarded by so many, but now have lost that status in such a short amount of time.

There's really no point to what I'm saying.  And I'm not really trying to make any bold statements here.  I just had to make the comment in response to what you've hightlighted, Stephann.


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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 1:45:34 PM   
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The Americans helped rebuild the highways, seaports, canals, and rail networks of France, Poland, Germany, Italy, and many more nations.  Since then, the US has also played a key role in  various peacekeeping operations throughout the world and helped spread democracy and freedom to many formerly-oppressed nations.  



Hi there BlueCollar,

Thank you for the comments.  This one in particular is the heart of what I'm saying though....

We rebuilt the infrastructure to enable commerce.  We cannot sell or buy goods, if there are no roads, ports, canals, bridges, or railways. 

In short, we rebuilt the rest of the world, because we were rebuilding it in 'our image' just as the Romans built roads for their own purposes; the positive impacts being a byproduct.

Americans, as a social group, are very kind hearted.  No nation donates as much of it's time and wealth as the United States.  We wish to believe that we are making the world a better place.  The problems start, when we assume that 'a better place' means 'just like home.'

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 2:01:39 PM   
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Hi there BlueCollar,

Thank you for the comments.  This one in particular is the heart of what I'm saying though....

We rebuilt the infrastructure to enable commerce.  We cannot sell or buy goods, if there are no roads, ports, canals, bridges, or railways. 

In short, we rebuilt the rest of the world, because we were rebuilding it in 'our image' just as the Romans built roads for their own purposes; the positive impacts being a byproduct.

Americans, as a social group, are very kind hearted.  No nation donates as much of it's time and wealth as the United States.  We wish to believe that we are making the world a better place.  The problems start, when we assume that 'a better place' means 'just like home.'

Stephan



I don't know.  I mean it's a somewhat cynical point of view though, isn't it?  Surely you'd have to admit that historically and even to this day, the US may do certain things with real aultruistic intents.  I do agree with your last statement, but I think you're being a bit hard on your leaders and fellow citizens.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 2:28:10 PM   
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The Crusades were an attempt to prune it back,



I would love to hear your sources on this.

From what I read when I studied them in college (coincident with Vietnam) was that the Crusades were an attempt by various Kings to maintain their power over their subjects, distracting them from conditions at home by embroiling them in a senseless conflict in the Middle East.

Hrm, maybe I was wrong about AnencephalyBoy.  Perhaps he took a page out of a book on medeival history.

The main exception was the Children's Crusade, which was started by a Zealot Christian monk and resulted in the enslavement of thousands of European children by those who loaded them on boats in Spain.

Gotta love zealots, they change their jerseys but always have the same game plan.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 3:02:12 PM   
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I don't know.  I mean it's a somewhat cynical point of view though, isn't it?  Surely you'd have to admit that historically and even to this day, the US may do certain things with real aultruistic intents.  I do agree with your last statement, but I think you're being a bit hard on your leaders and fellow citizens.



It's possible I'm a bit hard on them, sure.

But understanding a few things about how these decisions are made go a long way to identifying the true culprits. 

The president is charged with making the very best decisions for a) his supporters b) his government c) his party and d) the rest of the country.  Many a president has done something that is clearly in his own, personal interest or the interest of his party.  I'm not saying this is always the case, but often enough that we should not ignore the impact.  Rebuilding of Germany meant a huge windfall in government contracts; contracts that would be awarded to those who are most in tune with the government.  These are the people who lined the pockets of the Political Machine. 

I am not suggesting everything and everyone is crooked.  I am saying, that this kind of political and financial pandering is far more common and has a much greater impact on political decisions than the average citizen knows (or cares to hear about.)  It becomes the government's job to 'sell' these altruistic notions to a largely already ignorant population.  We can see evidence of this exact same pattern in the some 15,000 government contracts with the intention of rebuilding Iraq.

If it makes you feel better, though, I do (personally) feel that most Americans and Canadians feel compassion for the rest of the world.  I simply feel that because we rarely experience the sort of hardship that we see in Iraq, Lebenon, China, North Korea, and Russia, leaves us with a naive perspective on the rest of the world; including those who profit most from such misery.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 3:08:36 PM   
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Sen. Abba dabba just wants to buy the world a coke, doesn't he?
He sounds like a State Dept worker.


And the State Department people, notwithstanding Mr. Powell's caving to the neocon desires to mislead the country, were right about Iraq not being a threat. Are you saying that the junior Senator from Illinois sounds like he's got more than his share of wisdom in his head? I agree with you.

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That's the misstake "civilised" people always make when dealing with savages. They assume that just because (they're) civilised then the savages must surely be as well.


Um, we just invaded a sovereign country that never attacked us and had no means or plans to, and it's resulted in over 600,000 civilian deaths so far. While I guess that makes us an authority on savagery, I otherwise don't see your point.

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You need someone a little "bloodthirsty" in the White House.


We've got one. The adolescent cowboy presidential model, unencumbered by any common sense or reality inhabitation, has been roundly discredited. You may have missed that.



No, I'm not saying that at all.And I think Bush is a Globalist piece of shit.
I want someone in the White House who follows the Constitution and does what The People want him to do.
What's all this "Leader", "Leadership" crap?
As an American Citizen I don't want to be lead by my government.
I know it's a hard concept to understand for some but The People are the govt.
If whoever gets into the WH isn't good with "foreign affairs" then that's a bonus!
But, I certainly don't look at any President as a "leader"
Would you follow Bush or Clinton "to hell and back?"
I'd TELL them to go to hell but I wouldn't "follow" either one of  them to the corner store
They're there to be a good Manager.
Would you follow the "President" of Exxon/Mobil to "hell and back?"
He's not a "leader" either he's there to Manage, just like the President of the U.S.
All those candidates need to knock off that "Leadership" crap.
It's just like Fire and Police Cheifs.
Once they hit the "Cheif" ("Assistant, deputy", etc) level they're management.
The Captains and Lieutenants are the "leaders."


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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 3:28:37 PM   
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Obama is in a situation now where no matter what happens, he's on record for making the comment and can be easily criticised for trying to simplify a very complex issue.


Exactly what comment is he on record as making?  Because this is the one I found, and it doesn't quite say what his opponents are claiming... it's a little early in the campaign to fall for the old strawman trick.

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"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama said, with a pause, "involving civilians." Then he quickly added, "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."
Obama was responding to a question by the Associated Press about whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
"There's been no discussion of using nuclear weapons and that's not a hypothetical that I'm going to discuss," Obama said after a Capitol Hill breakfast with constituents.When asked whether his answer also applied to the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons, he said it did.  

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/4/2007 3:43:00 PM   
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Hell, delaying the US entry in the war until 2 million Jews were already exterminated... I'm sorry, until Japan attacked must have saved a hell of a lot of lives too!




Oh irony.

It wasn't known there was an extermination until the troops rolled into the concentration camps.  Before Japan attacked, there was no lack of individuals saying "This isn't our war!" either.  We should accept a role of responsibility as a world leader, or we stay the hell out; including our 'economic interests.'  It isn't a question of right or wrong, it's a question of how much backlash we are willing to endure.  Ironically, that's how our leaders view it; "What will be the political impact of what appears to be a necessary military incursion?"

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It was known in Britain. A good number of Poles fought in the RAF during the Battle of Britain, and they'd witnessed the SS death squads "cleaning up" behind the Wehrmacht in Poland - i.e. slaughtering Jews, Gypsies and Polish intelligentsia on the spot.
 
The camps were confirmed through intercepted messages, and British and French spies. Is it conceivable that a) The British didn't pass this info on to the Americans? and b) The Americans didn't have their own spies reporting the same info?
 
As for the world leader thing, that's divorced from reality. My view is that the world would like to see countries operating within their own borders and the UN acting as an arbitrator when countries such as the US and Britain overstep the mark.

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RE: Obama: No nukes if I'm president - 8/5/2007 12:53:02 AM   
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As for the world leader thing, that's divorced from reality. My view is that the world would like to see countries operating within their own borders and the UN acting as an arbitrator when countries such as the US and Britain overstep the mark.


Oh, I agree that it's divorced from reality - unfortunately.  As much as I wish we all learned to keep our proverbial hands to ourselvs, the better.  My point is that if we are going to trade with other nations and take part in the global community, we should ensure that the people we deal with follow the same principles as we do within our own countries.  However, if there is a conflict of a social or ideological nature, diplomacy should be the first and foremost method of resolving these issues. 

Personally, I have the view that there are certain conventions that we as humans (not just Americans or Iraqis or Jews or Muslims, but all people) all value and recognise as universally good or just.  And when we have a situation of individuals or states disregarding or actively undermining those conventions, I believe we are entitled to bring those people back in line.  Again, it doesn't have to end in conflict or anything like that, but there should be an element of  enforcement somewhere along the line.

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