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Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 4:15:11 PM

cyberdude611

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Call the man crazy... but mutually assured destruction worked against the Soviet Union. If you bomb us, we will destroy you.

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DENVER — A Colorado congressman told a radio show host that the U.S. could "take out" Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons.

Rep. Tom Tancredo made his remarks Friday on WFLA-AM in Orlando, Fla. His spokesman stressed he was only speaking hypothetically.
Talk show host Pat Campbell asked the Littleton Republican how the country should respond if terrorists struck several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.

"Well, what if you said something like — if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

"You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

"Yeah," Tancredo responded.

The congressman later said he was "just throwing out some ideas" and that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."
Spokesman Will Adams said Sunday the four-term congressman doesn't support threatening holy Islamic sites but that Tancredo was grappling with the hypothetical situation of a terrorist strike deadlier than the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"We have an enemy with no uniform, no state, who looks like you and me and only emerges right before an attack. How do we go after someone like that?" Adams said.

"What is near and dear to them? They're willing to sacrifice everything in this world for the next one. What is the pressure point that would deter them from their murderous impulses?" he said.

Tancredo is known in the House for his tough stand on immigration and had a 100 percent rating last year from the American Conservative Union his votes and positions on issues.

Mohammad Noorzai, coordinator of the Colorado Muslim Council (search) and a native of Afghanistan, said Tancredo's remarks were radical and unrepresentative but that people in Tancredo's position need to watch their words when it comes to sacred religious sites and texts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162795,00.html

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 4:19:14 PM

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"Nuke us?"
If they even look at us crosseyed, Nuke Mecca!
It's going to be nuked anyway at some point by someone.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 4:25:28 PM

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It's about time SOMEONE started threatening these foreign bastards...Oddly, they don't like RECEIVING threats as much as they like MAKING them?
Also note how quick the others were to apologize for/distance themselves from the comment...Are we THAT concerned about whether our SWORN ENEMIES like us? Is America so weak we have to curry favor with our enemies now? What happened to peace through intimidation...I think they called it the Cold War?

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 5:12:17 PM

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The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution says:
“ No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .... ”

The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution says:
“ No State shall ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .... ”

The Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process is applicable only to actions of the federal government. The Fourteenth Amendment contains virtually the same phrase, but expressly applied to the states. The Supreme Court has interpreted the two clauses identically, as Justice Felix Frankfurter once explained in a concurring opinion: "To suppose that 'due process of law' meant one thing in the Fifth Amendment and another in the Fourteenth is too frivolous to require elaborate rejection."

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 5:16:35 PM

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Yet they found some legal way to nuke Japan, twice....

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 5:42:45 PM

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OH, fuckin' snore------------

First place, if there is a war on terror, one should go to mecca and police up the players.

secondly, another asswipe republican talking to stir up issues that have no bearing on reality, much like trent lott trying to cut off rush limbaughs dick via vapid rhetoric, and you know he was fighting a losing battle on that front.

Just more stupid jingoists.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 5:57:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EPGAH

It's about time SOMEONE started threatening these foreign bastards...Oddly, they don't like RECEIVING threats as much as they like MAKING them?
Also note how quick the others were to apologize for/distance themselves from the comment...Are we THAT concerned about whether our SWORN ENEMIES like us? Is America so weak we have to curry favor with our enemies now? What happened to peace through intimidation...I think they called it the Cold War?

EPGAH:
It would appear by your post that should the IRA ,which is a catholic organization, were to bomb the USA you would be in favor of bombing the Vatican?
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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 6:52:20 PM

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Yet they found some legal way to nuke Japan, twice....

Remember the Congressional Declaration of War?

( The patent immorality of terrorist bombing of civilian targets by air aside... )

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 6:59:16 PM

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Call the man crazy... but mutually assured destruction worked against the Soviet Union. If you bomb us, we will destroy you.

If the US were to publicly commit to bomb Mecca in response to a terrorist attack then an attack would become almost inevitable.

* Israel will secretly sponsor terrorists to do it because they want the US to nuke the Arabs.
* The US Christian Fundamentalists will pay mercenaries to do it because they want to see Mecca destroyed.
* The Russians will supply logistics because they like the idea of the US weakening itself by getting involved in another pointless blood feud.
* The Chinese will supply technical know-how because they like the idea of all the other world powers fighting each other into the ground.
* Some of the Islamic extremists will try to attack America because they WANT the US to retaliate. They'll calculate that the swell of outrage from the US nuking Mecca will remove the hated Saudi royal family and unite all the warring Arab countries behind a common cause as a single fundamentalist Arab superpower. They want to see the rebirth of Islam as a major world power.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 7:56:40 PM

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(You're a freak).

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 9:32:14 PM

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Thank you, Thompson. You much more succinctly stated what I was about to explain to EPGAH.

It's unfortunate that so many provincial Americans, here fully six years into the "War on Terror (tm)", still make the rookie mistake of conceiving of Islam (or any other thing from beyond the Tastee Freeze that they are ignorant or scared of) as a monolithic entity.

So what Rep. Tancredo is proposing basically, as a strategy for defending America, is that if some small faction of angry militant Muslims succeeds in detonating a nuclear device here, that we should immediately take the one action that will be most effective in recruiting the majority of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims into a hot, active Holy War against us. This is Rep. Tancredo's plan for defending our country. It awes me to think about what a brilliant military strategist he is.

These people - Tancredo, EPGAH and their like - still do not grasp what all 18 intelligence agencies of our government concluded in a public report over a year ago. That is, that invading Iraq -- beyond all the well-discussed trouble it has caused us in deaths, squandered international alliances and billions in money down the drain -- has been a singularly smashing success in deputizing formerly non-militant Muslim men into a life dedicated to bringing down the US.

In simpler words: Mr. Bush, Rep. Tancredo, and all the Rush Limbaugh idiot types out there are working feverishly and pro-bono for Osama bin Laden's Human Resources Department, and they don't even know it.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 9:44:10 PM

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A simple answer to a complex problem. The simpletons will eat it up without ever realizing how awful an idea it really is. Those of us familiar with the law of unintended consequences will see it as possibly the stupidest idea ever uttered by a major presidential candidate. Now the question is how to show those who aren't sophisticated enough to see through this how dumb it really is.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 9:47:37 PM

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quote:

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"Well, what if you said something like — if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

yeh just like the way they determined the terrorists. only this time i am sure it would be even better with signed affidavits from them rather than just finding attas wallet and id in it at the wtc! LOLOLOLOLOL

shit even i could fake that shit its so easy.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/3/2007 9:55:38 PM

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quote:

Call the man crazy... but mutually assured destruction worked against the Soviet Union. If you bomb us, we will destroy you.

The error is first bred in the hypothosis that mutually assured destruction worked in anyway on the world stage good or bad.

nah

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 1:47:44 AM

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I don't think you realising what you're dealing with, here.

I'm fairly confident that Al-Quaeda will welcome an attack on Mecca as it will boost their membership no end. After all, they're a political association partly driven by the same power trip on which other political organisations thrive.

This is a completely different situation to the USSR. If the US government is really interested in removing the threat of terrorism, then why piss off the Islamic world by bulldozing their homes and stealing their resources?........enemy/cause/reason to feed the masses.

Prior to Iraq, Al-Quaeda were no more than a loose association of psychopathic, religious zealots. They could have been rounded up with a sustained police investigation. The fact that the US government chose to start flattening places, thus creating chaos and a tit-for-tat spiral of violence, should give you an inkling of what the US government is playing at. There are a number of reasons why the US government is in Iraq and Afghanistan, ranging from economic gain to Christian morality (depending on the faction), but it's as plain as day that these reasons have nothing to do with minimising terrorism.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 3:43:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution says:
“ No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .... ”

The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution says:
“ No State shall ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .... ”

The Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process is applicable only to actions of the federal government. The Fourteenth Amendment contains virtually the same phrase, but expressly applied to the states. The Supreme Court has interpreted the two clauses identically, as Justice Felix Frankfurter once explained in a concurring opinion: "To suppose that 'due process of law' meant one thing in the Fifth Amendment and another in the Fourteenth is too frivolous to require elaborate rejection."

The hitch, being that this applies only to those protected by this constitution; i.e. citizens.

To boot, a military decision that originates with congress (declaration of war) and executed by the commanding officer (presidential decision who, by the authority congress has granted, funded, and consistantly supported, without opposition by the judiciary branch) would constitue 'due process' for the execution of a stratigic military strike.

The matter of law aside, this is a terrible idea. The very reason there are groups that hate the US, is that we make stupid unilateral decisions like this. There's a wild misconception that there is any one central authority with the power to control the groups that are against us. We assume they have a national identity. In reality, the only groups they hate as much as the United States, are their rival factions. If we continue down this path, our efforts will only serve to further strengthen an effort to fight against a common goal: us.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 4:55:24 AM

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If the fundamentalists in Islam is such a small minority....then why is it that these "peaceful" muslims seem to go quiet whenever these attacks take place? I dont see the "peaceful" muslims defending their "peaceful" faith. They instead are silent. And the only time they actually say something is when you bash their religion.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 5:05:25 AM

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possibly for the same reasons you are not currently serving our country in Iraq.

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 5:18:47 AM

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Very well said, NorthernGent. Bin Laden is on record as being quite pleased that Bush followed his script to the letter in invading Iraq. That we are being manipulated masterfully by this power-hungry man is something that the yahoos here who still support Mr. Bush's shallow and knee-jerk foreign policy simply do not (or cannot?) understand. It's up to us to speak out more loudly and clearly on this point if we want to stop the mindless spiral toward a full-blown worldwide religious war. I'm afraid the 30-percenter Bush drones are going to be of little help in avoiding that unwise course.

To the anonymous reader: which side of this equation will you be on?

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RE: Tancredo: If they nuke us....bomb Mecca - 8/4/2007 5:33:08 AM

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The best way to stop islamic terrorism is to get out of their yard, stop stealing their resources and stop supporting regimes and enemies that oppress them. Needless to say the damage has been done over the last sixty years and is going to take a couple of generations to right the situation. However, if you are going to nuke Mecca, make sure you are willing to instigate genocide to get rid of the resulting problem.

You would think by now the rightwing warmongers would have learnt their lesson about solving problems with military action, it can't be done without the willingness to commit genocide. Japan was shown the willingness of the US to do just that at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, the US had allies that were tired of war and happy to see the nukes dropped on Japan. To drop nukes on Mecca wouls alienate just about the whole world. Now I know the neocons don't mind that and don't think it would be a problem but when have the neocons ever been right?

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