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RE: Twue Punishment - 8/8/2007 4:35:20 AM

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The main problem with making infinitive statements tends to be that all one has to do is find the exception to make the statement completely idiotic.

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Otherwise known as employing the logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdio.

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RE: Twue Punishment - 8/8/2007 8:28:59 AM

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... I hate the idea of killing to punish.

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The way I see it, the death penalty is not a punishment - it's a survival technique for the masses. A threat is being removed, that can not be removed any other way (rehab, etc). Some people are simply too dangerous to let live. Manson, Gacy, Pickton, etc. will never be safe for society.

After all, you don't consider removing a cancerous tumour to be wrong in any way, shape, or cost, do you? Some people are like that... if left alone, they'll continue to spread (killing and destroying other lives).

Now to read the next 6 pages or so. Sorry if this is a repeat of a post someone made later on.

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RE: Twue Punishment - 8/8/2007 9:17:20 AM

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p.s. An alternate translation of the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is "Thou Shalt Not Murder," which has a vastly different meaning.

'Altered' translation, perhaps.

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html

http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/71/71_5_pages_355_357.pdf

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm

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RE: Twue Punishment - 8/8/2007 4:51:19 PM

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The way I see it, the death penalty is not a punishment - it's a survival technique for the masses. A threat is being removed, that can not be removed any other way (rehab, etc). Some people are simply too dangerous to let live.

Sounds a lot like how the US is coming to be perceived by an alarming number of people, even in the West.

And the most effective implementation of this survival technique, is to do profiling, then cull the riskiest segment of the population at regular intervals, say we trim off the top 2% or so, just to be sure. For the sake of minimizing risk, we can abort foetuses which will be born into a background that predisposes them to be a risk, or who have genetics that predispose them to be a risk. Those who are already serving time can be shot in their cells and dumped in the garbage, just to get a clean slate and eliminate a major tax expense that can be funneled back into law enforcement and healthcare.

Somehow, I doubt most people would go for that, even if it carries this argument to its entirely logical conclusion and will undoubtedly go a long way toward culling risks to the society at large. The more extreme, but still logical, conclusion to this argument was succinctly put in Aliens: "Nuke them all from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"...

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