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DarkWriter -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:02:53 AM)
Just that sense that something was close, no warning, nothing that said get thee gone.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 4:49:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck Things were being moved and found in the oddest places. A stud finder was lost and then found in the glass cover of the ceiling light 12 feet up. Tiles restacked in geometric designs. No one was in the house when these things would occur and no one had access to get in to do them. If no critters had access to the house either, and critters don't do geometric designs, that bit of phenomena sounds legit. No critters with access and even if they did they don't hide things in the light well 12 foot up on the ceiling or do detailed geometric designs as you also stated. quote: I ripped the wallpaper out of the cedar lined closet and found a little heart scratched into one plank with initials. I resanded the cedar to freshen it and the carving disappeared. The housing inspector pointed it out again when he was checking things out during the rewiring. I could definitely see a non supernatural explanation as a possibility there, specifically that you only sanded deep enough to fill the lines in with compacted wood dust to the point that they were temporarily concealed. If you know you sanded significantly deeper than the carving, then it's worth noting. Carving is truly too strong a word and I shouldn't have used it since it was far more of a scratching. I did sand down past the markings and brush vacced the walls to remove any wood dust. So I know that it was sanded away. Although given the humidity of summer in FL wood swell vs shrinkage could also be a reasonable explanation. quote: The eeriest of all though was the answering machine. I would call my answering machine to leave reminders for myself. Often during the play back there would be a woman humming a song in the background. No one else was in the house. No one could have gotten into the house and there was never anyone around humming that same song over and over around me when I would call to leave the messages. Did you ever switch tapes and use some that was brand new, or use the same one every time? Most definitely. I even bought a new package of tapes all together so that it wasn't possibly a production goof. It didn't happen all the time, nor did it happen with every message recording just an occassional thing even with a different answering machine being used.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 4:55:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck That sounds like a pretty awesome experience actually. I would say the wiped out feeling was energy being pulled from you as well. Years ago in FL I lived in a 1920's bungalow that I was restoring. The floors in the bedroom were old cedar and a mess but still usable planks to refinish. I pulled them up (every other one) to work on and left the rest. Under one corner I found a box filled with love letters that were old and crumbling. Just beautifully written ones. Not long after that I had the strangest things start happening all over the house. Things were being moved and found in the oddest places. A stud finder was lost and then found in the glass cover of the ceiling light 12 feet up. Tiles restacked in geometric designs. No one was in the house when these things would occur and no one had access to get in to do them. I ripped the wallpaper out of the cedar lined closet and found a little heart scratched into one plank with initials. I resanded the cedar to freshen it and the carving disappeared. The housing inspector pointed it out again when he was checking things out during the rewiring. The eeriest of all though was the answering machine. I would call my answering machine to leave reminders for myself. Often during the play back there would be a woman humming a song in the background. No one else was in the house. No one could have gotten into the house and there was never anyone around humming that same song over and over around me when I would call to leave the messages. In most hauntings where there was a confirmed sound of a woman humming in the background.....It always seems she is humming to the the song "Doll Parts" by Courtney Love...."I wanna be the girl with the most cake." Sends chills up my spine just thinking of it. Heeey, what's wrong with being the girl that wants the most cake? Mmm cake. Although I don't "fake it so real I'm beyond fake" LOL

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 5:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck Years ago in FL I lived in a 1920's bungalow that I was restoring. i have done spirit work for people who lived in their home for many years when "suddenly" activity began. Everytime it was just as (or after) restorations or additions began. There seems to be something upsetting to spirits about the structure being changed. Your experience gives every indication of who shares the space with you. i like it when the physical residents can find a peaceful way to live with others, over actual "clearings". Be Well~* Master's dorei I brought someone in as well after things started to happen. I wasn't frightened by it in the least. It was more playful and amusing than anything sinister. I didn't want a cleansing or clearing and made sure to communicate that I only wanted to restore the house to it's original granduer and not change it per se. I agree that perhaps it was perhaps aggravation or concern on the part of whatever shared the space. They were there long before I was. If anything I was the intruder in their home. I even tried to integrate them into the decisions. I used the geometric pattern in the fireplace surround that I was retiling. I left out paint chips and asked them to pick colors that were used originally. Sounds silly but two were on the mantle and the rest were turned over on the table I left them on. Although I received a very clear "no" on the tile for the kitchen counters when a stack of them ended up falling off the counter and breaking. Once the house was finished it seemed to come to a halt aside from the sporadic humming on the answering machine throughout the years I lived there. I was very open about it when I went to sell the house as well. I don't think they were happy because the for sale sign kept disappearing.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 5:13:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei DarkWriter, In the incident where you were attacked, did you feel any spirit contact at all before the attack? Did you sense any direct warning to leave before being attcked? Or was it completely without warning as you entered a new area? Inquiring Minds want to know. :) Master's dorei Yes! A loud voice shouting "HEY! YOU'RE STEPPING ON MY RACCOON!!!!" (sorry, couldn't resist) I researched the cemetery on line yesterday. It was created for those that worked on the Goodyear Farms and those who built the town of Litchfield Park, an are that was purchased and contained the property that is now Litchfield Park. About half there had died because of a big flu epidemic. Seems it was in the early 60's. I know I had one bout with a Asian flu in 1958 that just about took me out. Funny! I'm curious Lotus. When you said it was "dead" did you mean that you weren't feeling anything at all? Or you just weren't feeling any energy aside from feeling drained afterwards. Is this a high tourist area? Are there lots of people that visit there or were you pretty much alone in your visit? I ask because the energy drain may have been their attempt to manifest enough energy to interact.

Najakcharmer -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 5:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck No critters with access and even if they did they don't hide things in the light well 12 foot up on the ceiling or do detailed geometric designs as you also stated. Corvidae and a few other birds definitely do the "hide shiny things in high places" trick, but I doubt they could lift anything very substantial, and they generally leave other signs of their passage (like bird plops). You'd most likely know if you had a bird problem. Detailed geometric designs is not a normal critter thing, though pet raccoons have been reported to do simple designs with small objects, and some birds do interesting nest decoration layouts. You definitely do want to think about critter causes and rule them out, but that shouldn't actually be too difficult. quote: I did sand down past the markings and brush vacced the walls to remove any wood dust. So I know that it was sanded away. Although given the humidity of summer in FL wood swell vs shrinkage could also be a reasonable explanation. Wood is certainly malleable enough that swelling and shrinking could cause the illusion of a scratching having been sanded over when it actually wasn't. Unfortunately if you didn't measure the depth of the scratching with accurate tools, then measure the depth of your sanding, you're SOL for evidence. quote: I even bought a new package of tapes all together so that it wasn't possibly a production goof. It didn't happen all the time, nor did it happen with every message recording just an occassional thing even with a different answering machine being used. Internittent mechanical error on the part of the machine producing a humming sound occurs to me as a possibility. Thing is, the human brain is basically pre-equipped to see human faces and hear human voices even where there aren't any. Your brain extrapolates for you and fills in data that just isn't there. Basically if I thought I heard a voice on a recording, I would not accept that as evidence of any manifestation unless it was either subjected to machine driven analysis or it was lengthy, detailed and sufficiently clear that anyone listening to it could understand and agree on the words. The human brain is an intrinsically flawed mechanism for judging whether or not something is a human voice or a human face, because of our hardwired neurobiological predisposition to hear and see in those patterns. I'm all for ghost hunting with an open mind, but I mean a really open mind with no personal agenda either to prove or disprove anything. In my experience, the vast majority of accounts and attempts I see are fundamentally flawed by bad science and wishful thinking - either of the "I just know there are ghosts and I can see them cuz I'm special" variety, or the "I just know there are not any ghosts so I'm going to debunk them" variety. Both approaches are bad science. Occam's Razor is a ghost hunter's friend, and it's better to examine every phenomena carefully and do your best to eliminate natural causes, of which there are a great many for most of the happenings that people like to jump on and wave about as proof of the supernatural without investigating too closely. It's much more fun to believe that you saw a ghost, so most people are pretty highly motivated not to apply very much hard critical thinking to their experiences. Keeping an open mind is good, but there's this to remember. There is a description for a receptacle that sits beside a public path and is wide open for anything that anyone tosses in without regard to its quality. It's called a garbage can. There is definitely such a thing as too open and too ready to accept without critical thinking.

windchymes -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 5:29:33 PM)
To the OP, the ghost stories were great, but that photo in your profile really gave me the shivers! lol

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 6:09:04 PM)
quote: Internittent mechanical error on the part of the machine producing a humming sound occurs to me as a possibility. Thing is, the human brain is basically pre-equipped to see human faces and hear human voices even where there aren't any. Your brain extrapolates for you and fills in data that just isn't there. Basically if I thought I heard a voice on a recording, I would not accept that as evidence of any manifestation unless it was either subjected to machine driven analysis or it was lengthy, detailed and sufficiently clear that anyone listening to it could understand and agree on the words. The human brain is an intrinsically flawed mechanism for judging whether or not something is a human voice or a human face, because of our hardwired neurobiological predisposition to hear and see in those patterns. I'll give you this but it was a definite human voice and the same song over and over for 9 years. "We'll Meet Again" I had never heard the song before hearing it hummed throughout the years on my answering machines (that's plural. so explain mechanical problems with multiple machines of different makes and models). I didn't have any idea the name of the song until I heard it years later in a little club in New Orleans. When the band played it my companion said the color drained from my face. The song itself would coincide with the love letters themselves so to me it made a great deal of sense (World War II). With all due respect Najack...It never interested me to prove or disprove what occured. Nor do I care to now. It doesn't really matter to me. Feel free to go ahead and be the "voice of logic" and find whatever faults or explanations you wish to with what happened. I'm sure you or I could find a dozen "logical" explanations for what occured.That doesn't mean they are any more possible than it having been a manifestation. It could have been vibrations from the freeway causing a tympanic vibration within the house that just so happened to sound exactly like the melody of "We'll Meet Again", at sporadic times over a nine year period for that matter. Does it really matter in the end though? I know what I experienced and what at least a dozen other people experienced throughout the years. In fact I had a bit of fun with it when I would play the machine in front of others and see the confusion on their face when the humming would be heard, without my prodding them to hear anything, on the machine. I know what I experienced within the house throughout the 9 years I lived there. I know what the owners after me experienced as well. Whether there's a logical explanation to it or not I don't really care. I don't think the thread was created as a matter of proving or disproving psychic phenomena it was merely meant as a bit of fun to gather experiences and stories from others that hold similar interests. quote: I'm all for ghost hunting with an open mind, but I mean a really open mind with no personal agenda either to prove or disprove anything. In my experience, the vast majority of accounts and attempts I see are fundamentally flawed by bad science and wishful thinking - either of the "I just know there are ghosts and I can see them cuz I'm special" variety, or the "I just know there are not any ghosts so I'm going to debunk them" variety. Both approaches are bad science. Occam's Razor is a ghost hunter's friend, and it's better to examine every phenomena carefully and do your best to eliminate natural causes, of which there are a great many for most of the happenings that people like to jump on and wave about as proof of the supernatural without investigating too closely. It's much more fun to believe that you saw a ghost, so most people are pretty highly motivated not to apply very much hard critical thinking to their experiences. Keeping an open mind is good, but there's this to remember. There is a description for a receptacle that sits beside a public path and is wide open for anything that anyone tosses in without regard to its quality. It's called a garbage can. There is definitely such a thing as too open and too ready to accept without critical I found this exceptionally ironic since you seem to fall into the latter category with each of your posts here. Why the need to debunk anything? Just as there isn't a need to prove anything either. The thread is just a little piece of "Random Stupidity". Who cares if someone wants to have a bit of harmless fun and wishful thinking. Who cares if anyone of us had the experiences we've had but we ourselves? Why the inability to have an open mind to possibility without having to debunk at all? I'm not upset, even though it may seem to come across that way. I actually find it rather amusing that you're so intent on closing your mind to the possibilities and using that receptacle just as indiscriminately by coming up with the most ridiculously "logical" reasonings for anything that might have occured. Obviously I've acknowledged things could be other than what they were but there are some things that I don't have a logical explanation for...nor do I really care to, it's that simple.

Griswold -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 6:55:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck That sounds like a pretty awesome experience actually. I would say the wiped out feeling was energy being pulled from you as well. Years ago in FL I lived in a 1920's bungalow that I was restoring. The floors in the bedroom were old cedar and a mess but still usable planks to refinish. I pulled them up (every other one) to work on and left the rest. Under one corner I found a box filled with love letters that were old and crumbling. Just beautifully written ones. Not long after that I had the strangest things start happening all over the house. Things were being moved and found in the oddest places. A stud finder was lost and then found in the glass cover of the ceiling light 12 feet up. Tiles restacked in geometric designs. No one was in the house when these things would occur and no one had access to get in to do them. I ripped the wallpaper out of the cedar lined closet and found a little heart scratched into one plank with initials. I resanded the cedar to freshen it and the carving disappeared. The housing inspector pointed it out again when he was checking things out during the rewiring. The eeriest of all though was the answering machine. I would call my answering machine to leave reminders for myself. Often during the play back there would be a woman humming a song in the background. No one else was in the house. No one could have gotten into the house and there was never anyone around humming that same song over and over around me when I would call to leave the messages. The answering machine thing can be explained away quite easily...your electrian specified 110 (volts)...your answering machine was set up to enable it to discern linkage issues as to "comparitive" European voltage issues and our own (which can often differ between East and West coast)....and, your voltage...which was...under 107. There was a DC to AC interupt that occurred between the first ring and the 4th (not untypical), and the first message (likely) merged with the 4th (unless it was a "trunk call", at which point on an historical basis....just 34% of the intended message may have gotten across, due to high frequency modulations). Again, this is not altogether uncommon. Other than that...the sounds you may have heard very likely were the Irobot preprogrammed house cleaning system. Chill...they go back to their chargers all by themselves. (I really need to clean this place up one of these days).

Najakcharmer -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 7:21:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I'll give you this but it was a definite human voice and the same song over and over for 9 years. "We'll Meet Again" I had never heard the song before hearing it hummed throughout the years on my answering machines (that's plural. so explain mechanical problems with multiple machines of different makes and models). I didn't have any idea the name of the song until I heard it years later in a little club in New Orleans. When the band played it my companion said the color drained from my face. The song itself would coincide with the love letters themselves so to me it made a great deal of sense (World War II). Now that's a much better incident report. quote: With all due respect Najack...It never interested me to prove or disprove what occured. Nor do I care to now. Why not? It's interesting, and getting to the bottom of interesting phenomena has a lot of potential payoff. But it's not possible to really get to the bottom of anything without investigating it thoroughly first and making sure you can rule out causes that are not interesting. quote: I actually find it rather amusing that you're so intent on closing your mind to the possibilities Er, no. What I'm interested in is getting to the bottom of possibly supernatural phenomena by doing the best job possible of ruling out non supernatural causes. In short, I'm a ghost hunter. [:D] My comments at the end were general remarks on the field of ghost hunting, and were not directed at you at all. I should have made them a separate post so that you did not feel they were aimed at you. I am sorry if you felt that I was commenting on your personal state of mind; I was really not.

MasterNdorei -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 8:50:45 PM)
C'mon, there have to be more ghost stories! Has anyone felt the presence of someone they loved who was recently deceased? Master's dorei

LotusSong -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I'm curious Lotus. When you said it was "dead" did you mean that you weren't feeling anything at all? Or you just weren't feeling any energy aside from feeling drained afterwards. Is this a high tourist area? Are there lots of people that visit there or were you pretty much alone in your visit? I ask because the energy drain may have been their attempt to manifest enough energy to interact. Things were just very still as if this place had been cut out of a fabric of time. My husband was reading out the names out loud. The thought that he probably shouldn't be doing that in case he "called someone up". I just 'felt' absolutely nothing, as if everyone had moved on. I was disappointed because there were very few unidentifiable headstones. The majority of them were blank and I was feeling sad that their identity might have been forgotten. I wondered who cared for some of the graves that did have some flowers on them, So I was going through feelings of making sure I was being respectful to empathy to concern to melancholy.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I'll give you this but it was a definite human voice and the same song over and over for 9 years. "We'll Meet Again" I had never heard the song before hearing it hummed throughout the years on my answering machines (that's plural. so explain mechanical problems with multiple machines of different makes and models). I didn't have any idea the name of the song until I heard it years later in a little club in New Orleans. When the band played it my companion said the color drained from my face. The song itself would coincide with the love letters themselves so to me it made a great deal of sense (World War II). Now that's a much better incident report. quote: With all due respect Najack...It never interested me to prove or disprove what occured. Nor do I care to now. Why not? It's interesting, and getting to the bottom of interesting phenomena has a lot of potential payoff. But it's not possible to really get to the bottom of anything without investigating it thoroughly first and making sure you can rule out causes that are not interesting. quote: I actually find it rather amusing that you're so intent on closing your mind to the possibilities Er, no. What I'm interested in is getting to the bottom of possibly supernatural phenomena by doing the best job possible of ruling out non supernatural causes. In short, I'm a ghost hunter. [:D] My comments at the end were general remarks on the field of ghost hunting, and were not directed at you at all. I should have made them a separate post so that you did not feel they were aimed at you. I am sorry if you felt that I was commenting on your personal state of mind; I was really not. I accept the apology and I do assure you I wasn't upset, simply a bit confused and amused at it being directed my way. I also hope that youll accept my sincere apology for any misuderstanding as well. I was looking at it from the perspective that you disbelieved the possibilities rather than your debunking from an investigative standpoint. There is a show on SciFi that has Ghost Hunters that I love and they tend to do the same thing. As for why not...well My experiences were simply that, and a few other people here and there were witness over the years as well. (I had one friend that wouldn't ever come over because she didn't like the "vibe" of the house itself.) I never felt threatened or in any way uncomfortable. The things that happened were, to me, simply little "hey, I'm here too" things. I suppose it's more of a perspective of...I know what happened to me and I don't feel the need to prove or disprove. I was a part of it. It was interesting and I accepted it for what it was. But I've always been rather sensitive to those types of experiences since I was a child. I find it interesting because it happens to be my experience but it wouldn't change anything as far as proof or not to be found. I simply shared a space with someone else and tried to respect them and their space as much as I was capable of doing so. Even though the last part wasn't directed at me in particular I will say that I have a logical mind and I don't tend to simply accept things at face value without digging into them as well. Perhaps not as deeply as you but I do try to explain them by some logical means first. I just know that some things couldn't logically be explained. ie the song humming on the answering machines over 9 years, the studfinder in the light fixture and the geometric patterns with the tiles. I should have mentioned that there were close to 5OO 1x1in. and 2x2 in. tiles that had been arranged. Would an animal have that type of attention span or do a repetitive intricate pattern or would it be more of a simple one? I know raccoons are very inquisitive and intelligent but are they to that degree? That's a sincere question. I can't imagine an animal having accessed the house without leaving some droppings or other destruction as evidence as you mentioned with the birds. Other things, of course, could be explained much more logically. The heart scratched into the wood reappearing could have been swelling and shrinkage due to humidity. The tiles on the counter could have fallen over. Footsteps could have been house settling noises. The rocking chair could have been the wind. etc etc etc ad infinitum. I do use the receptacle. I just have learned that I place in it what belongs there and hold onto the things that don't.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:27:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I'm curious Lotus. When you said it was "dead" did you mean that you weren't feeling anything at all? Or you just weren't feeling any energy aside from feeling drained afterwards. Is this a high tourist area? Are there lots of people that visit there or were you pretty much alone in your visit? I ask because the energy drain may have been their attempt to manifest enough energy to interact. Things were just very still as if this place had been cut out of a fabric of time. My husband was reading out the names out loud. The thought that he probably shouldn't be doing that in case he "called someone up". I just 'felt' absolutely nothing, as if everyone had moved on. I was disappointed because there were very few unidentifiable headstones. The majority of them were blank and I was feeling sad that their identity might have been forgotten. I wondered who cared for some of the graves that did have some flowers on them, So I was going through feelings of making sure I was being respectful to empathy to concern to melancholy. Very interesting. There was a similar experience when you went to Boot Hill was there not. One of just "quiet". Or are they two different feelings? Yes, I would have been a bit worried about calling up something as well that might not have been pleasant. I wonder though if your getting stuck in sand could have been an atttempt at getting you to stay around a bit or if it was simply getting stuck in the sand and nothing more.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:31:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei C'mon, there have to be more ghost stories! Has anyone felt the presence of someone they loved who was recently deceased? Master's dorei There's a thread somewhere about this that I talked about experiences with my UM's father after he died and what I believe were communications from him. I'll have to see if I can hunt it down for you. I would love to see that picture you took as well. Is it on your profile? If not can you PM it to me on the other side? Previously, I spoke of Whaley House here in SD with Lotus and they have photo albums of pictures available to the public of strange phenomena that have occurred within the house and grounds themselves. A very cool place. Many places in Old Town have stories of phenomena that have happened throughout the years. Edited to add the link I was looking for...it was farther back than I thought lol. http://www.collarchat.com/m_946161/tm.htm

sappatoti -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei C'mon, there have to be more ghost stories! Has anyone felt the presence of someone they loved who was recently deceased? Master's dorei My experience doesn't have anything to do with lost loved ones, but I guess it could be considered a ghost story. I must admit, though, I'm not one who's really interested proving or disproving the existence of these apparitions. I have a "live and let live" attitude with regards to anything of the supernatural realm. When I was a teen, I worked part time as the sexton of our church. The sanctuary was built in the early 1820's, but it was the third building on the site; an old fort dating back to the French and Indian wars. The previous two buildings were lost to fire -- the first during the actual war where soldiers and settlers died, the second in the early 1800's with no known deaths reported. Outside the sanctuary, all around the building, is the original cemetery for the old fort. The sanctuary had a choir loft along the rear wall and the pipe organ was located there. One panel of the woodwork was hinged to allow someone to crouch down and enter the base of the steeple, where the mechanics for the pipe organ were located. Further up in the steeple was an old 7-day mechanical, gravity powered clock that needed to be wound once per week. In the top 1/3 of the steeple was the clock faces on all four sides of the steeple. At the very top were the two bells. One day, I noticed that the four clock faces were no longer synchronized. As the sexton, it was my job to climb the timbers of the steeple to make the necessary adjustments. The mechanism was forged from cast iron and to make the adjustment, I had to basically do a hand-over-hand swinging action on the iron transmission, hanging over the open center portion of the steeple, to get to the center cluster of gears. Once there I could disengage the transmission for whichever face needed the adjustment, wait until the other faces caught up to the time displayed by the disengaged face, then reengage the transmission. It was during one of these clock face adjustments that I found myself loosing balance and beginning to slip off the center cluster. As I grabbed for the closest transmission bar, I felt a huge blast of air rush upwards that gave me enough of a moment to capture a transmission with both hands. Climbing down out of the steeple, I noticed that the hinged panel had closed, which was not a good thing. Once closed, the only way to open it was from the choir loft side. Pressing on the panel confirmed that it was indeed locked, so it was back up the steeple to the clock winding mechanism. That's where there was a hatch that lead out onto the steeply pitched, steel roof. Chickening out on that means of escape, I went back down to the organ works and that's when I saw it. It appeared as a thin veil of dust but didn't move as a cloud of dust normally would. It just kind of hung there, barely visible in the dim light of a single light bulb. The veil of dust then slowly moved towards the hinged panel and as it came into contact with the panel, I heard the sound of the latch opening and the panel swung open slightly. I just stood there in disbelief, but since the panel was now open, I wasn't going to hang around and find myself stuck in the steeple any longer. As I went out through the opening, I once again felt a bit of air move past me, but not as large as I had felt before. I turned around to see if anyone was around, but there wasn't another person in the building. After reporting my experiences with a few of the older members of the church, they nonchalantly said it was the ghost of so-and-so, and went about their business. I figured if they weren't concerned about my troubles in the steeple and were even more matter-of-fact about the mention of the ghost, I guess it was an accepted fact that something existed. Given how the organ worked, the blast of air I felt in the steeple could have come from someone turning on the massive bellows of the organ. However, no one was in the building at the time, and the bellows, when operating, were very definitely noticeable when in the steeple, which I didn't hear at the time of my near accident. As for the slight air movement I felt when I exited the steeple out onto the loft, it could have been an equalization of air between the two chambers. But I cannot explain the veil of dust nor its movements, for it moved in the direction of the steeple to the loft; opposite of the normal air movement when the hinged panel is open. Was my assistance in the steeple the work of a ghost? Who knows? Do I care? Not really. While it would be cool to try to communicate with it, I'm happy knowing that, if it is real, it possibly saved my life that day. I'm not going to question its motives or its existence.

Najakcharmer -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:45:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I should have mentioned that there were close to 5OO 1x1in. and 2x2 in. tiles that had been arranged. Would an animal have that type of attention span or do a repetitive intricate pattern or would it be more of a simple one? I know raccoons are very inquisitive and intelligent but are they to that degree? No. That's not any kind of animal. quote: I can't imagine an animal having accessed the house without leaving some droppings or other destruction as evidence as you mentioned with the birds. Neither can I, which is why I said you should be able to rule out animal interference fairly easily by checking for the obvious signs. Stealthy bird thieves are probably the hardest to detect since they don't always leave plops or feathers in the short time they may be darting in and grabbing your shinies, but eventually the odds tend to catch up to repeat offenders and they will leave those kinds of traces. Plus you'll know there's a population of them in the area and generally see them around. I do think it is very often worth working to investigate the "could this have been an animal or an insect" type of cause, but the work isn't usually that hard to do if you know what to look for.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 9:57:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I should have mentioned that there were close to 5OO 1x1in. and 2x2 in. tiles that had been arranged. Would an animal have that type of attention span or do a repetitive intricate pattern or would it be more of a simple one? I know raccoons are very inquisitive and intelligent but are they to that degree? No. That's not any kind of animal. Yeah that's kind of what I thought. That kind of pattern and the intricacies of it weren't something I would think an animal could do. I had a hard enough time duplicating it on the surround but I will say it was gorgeous once it was done. quote: quote: I can't imagine an animal having accessed the house without leaving some droppings or other destruction as evidence as you mentioned with the birds. quote: Neither can I, which is why I said you should be able to rule out animal interference fairly easily by checking for the obvious signs. Stealthy bird thieves are probably the hardest to detect since they don't always leave plops or feathers in the short time they may be darting in and grabbing your shinies, but eventually the odds tend to catch up to repeat offenders and they will leave those kinds of traces. Plus you'll know there's a population of them in the area and generally see them around. I do think it is very often worth working to investigate the "could this have been an animal or an insect" type of cause, but the work isn't usually that hard to do if you know what to look for. I don't think of a studfinder as a "shiny" although it was a very bright red in color along with black. So perhaps attractive from that standpoint. I would think it would be too heavy for a bird to have carried as well. Meaning it would have had to have been a pretty damn big bird. It was just too unwieldly for that and I would imagine a bird big enough in size would have had difficulty with the small clearance between light fixture and ceiling for it to perch and drop it into the glass square without breaking or dislodging the glass itself. Wouldn't a stealth bird be rather small and quick?

Najakcharmer -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 10:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I don't think of a studfinder as a "shiny" although it was a very bright red in color along with black. So perhaps attractive from that standpoint. I would think it would be too heavy for a bird to have carried as well. Naah, doesn't fit the profile of a bird carryoff if it's not light-reflective-shiny and small/lightweight. quote: Meaning it would have had to have been a pretty damn big bird. It was just too unwieldly for that and I would imagine a bird big enough in size would have had difficulty with the small clearance between light fixture and ceiling for it to perch and drop it into the glass square without breaking or dislodging the glass itself. Wouldn't a stealth bird be rather small and quick? Not necessarily. Ravens are large, smart, dextrous and infamous for stealing shiny stuff. They are certainly hard to miss if you're anywhere nearby when they swoop down to do their thing. They have a decent carrying capacity for their size as they are basically designed to pick up and fly away with stuff they scavenge for food, but I don't know if it would stretch to a stud finder. Especially one that was not very shiny.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Calling all Ghost hunters!!! (8/7/2007 11:13:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck I don't think of a studfinder as a "shiny" although it was a very bright red in color along with black. So perhaps attractive from that standpoint. I would think it would be too heavy for a bird to have carried as well. Naah, doesn't fit the profile of a bird carryoff if it's not light-reflective-shiny and small/lightweight. quote: Meaning it would have had to have been a pretty damn big bird. It was just too unwieldly for that and I would imagine a bird big enough in size would have had difficulty with the small clearance between light fixture and ceiling for it to perch and drop it into the glass square without breaking or dislodging the glass itself. Wouldn't a stealth bird be rather small and quick? Not necessarily. Ravens are large, smart, dextrous and infamous for stealing shiny stuff. They are certainly hard to miss if you're anywhere nearby when they swoop down to do their thing. They have a decent carrying capacity for their size as they are basically designed to pick up and fly away with stuff they scavenge for food, but I don't know if it would stretch to a stud finder. Especially one that was not very shiny. Interesting. The only other possible thing I would think could be is a squirrel. The only problem is getting up a 12 foot wall and across the ceiling. So I'm going to chalk the studfinder as unexplainable by logical means.

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