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LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 7:41:18 PM)

what is this sluts unit or something calling all ho s lol it is princible .. shakes head people forget about history to fast




Rockwell -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 7:49:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

But I'm still a whore and would never deny the right opportunity if it came to me. 


Maybe because you are such an exceptional woman. You could turn lemons into lemonade.

You could write a book on your interests and life.

Could you agree that the profession may ruin future opportunity for an amount of young women and boys? NOT being hired for a position you wanted. Not having the experience, education or skills for a lucrative  future career? What to put on a resume?  What next?

Something for some to think about.
Z




Aswad -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 8:21:12 PM)

Rockwell,

This, again, comes down to societal prejudices, not the nature of prostitution itself.

SimplyMichael,

Completely agree with you on that one.

NControl,

Great post.




Rockwell -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 8:55:19 PM)

Thats quite true, Aswad

My idea is off the main point.
I do however think it is a point to consider if thinking of entering the sex industry as a career choice.

Take care
Z




NControlofU -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 9:19:34 PM)

Ignorance breeds contempt.  And there seems to be plenty of both concerning prostitutes and prostitution. 

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ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial

NControl, wonderful post, it hits home.
This might help a few of the ignorant.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/7/2007 9:53:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rockwell
You could write a book on your interests and life.

Naaa.  Just because it involves a bunch of kinky stuff and multiple open situations, my life's pretty darn boring and deals with the same shit pretty much everyone handles.
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Could you agree that the profession may ruin future opportunity for an amount of young women and boys? NOT being hired for a position you wanted. Not having the experience, education or skills for a lucrative  future career? What to put on a resume?  What next?

Something for some to think about.
Z

Again the question is how much of that is INHERENT to being a whore, and how much is due to the oppression and degradation of the culture it exists within?

Yes, in todays US modern day, being a whore carries a lot of certain risks to it that make it an unwise choice for many people who want to pursue a certain path in life.

Now, what about a culture that embraced whoring as it does the Catholic church or even simply entertainment, recognizing the calling it can be, nurturing it amongst its people as a way to connect, as a way to relieve, as a way to simply enjoy some of lifes pleasures?




Jasmyn -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 1:56:51 AM)

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what is this sluts unit or something calling all ho s lol it is princible .. shakes head people forget about history to fast



History?  Enlighten us latex one




ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 8:15:48 AM)

NcontrolofU:
I dont blame you for not reading my long winded posts, but prostitution is illeagle because the job keeps alot of the poor and desperate sex workers from ever getting the internet access and comforts of life to form the coalitions and get the internet access to create those links you posted in the first place. Some middle class women arnt sucking dick for crack or to feed their baby and thats great. But leagalized prostitution would do nothing to help those that are.

The more sex work is acceptable, the more young women will use sex for money instead of rising above their 'holes' and actually making something of their lives.

18 year olds want coke, cash and cars. They don't care about the social and economic stigma...and then a few years later, their stuck being whores for abusive pimps and johns while their friends went from minimum wage to management or got a college degree.

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  Why is it ok for a man to spend $100 to take a woman out to dinner, drinks and a movie and then have sex with her and never see her again


-who said this was okay???? This sounds like the kind of guy peoples mother's warned them about and the kind of guy peoples father's taught them not to be.
Just because this happens doesnt mean its okay.

Prostitution only encourages the kind of sex-divorced-from-emotion attitude which leads to men who hate and/or abuse of women (all women who give it up to him must be a whore in some way because he spent a hundred dollars, regaurdless of the circumstance, right?). As Family Guy's quagmire points out (paraphrase), 'you don't pay a prostitute for sex. You pay a prostitute to shut up and go away when your finished'. Just because a girl loves sex doesnt mean she has to be a sex worker. You arn't sacrificing anything by having a day job.

-porn movies are alot more complicated than just fucking in front of a camera. You have 3 or four cameras in your face. And a director telling you when to cum and when to pull out and how to fuck. Not to mention you get royalties. recognition. signing parties. disease testing and insurance. taxable income rather than an eight ball at the end of the shift. a room full of employees to make sure your taking it because you want to, not because someone strangles you and throws you back out on the street.

-most of the negitive views of whores come from a time when siphilis was common and killed, when women who had children without fathers equated having an orphan who was the burden of the state, and when sexual discretion was a matter of sanitation and survival. Times have changed, but don't give credit to an already arrogant media industry. Besides, most movies about whores take a sympathetic view of the whore/or music videos which use whores as a positive status symbol.

-who would argue that men who learn to lead lives where they dont have to pay for sex are better off than men who pay for sex? wouldn't you rather be James Bond than 'john bloke'?




ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 8:23:27 AM)

Aswad:
glad we could find some common ground. Namely, the role of courts in reducing crime through rehibilation ( I consider simple jailing for a couple years without follow up to be communal sadism upon a non-consenting victim), the most effective schools of psychology and the role of evolutionary biology (chimp studies bear out what you mentioned about saliors liking the most experienced prostitute, by the way) in understanding the 'human animal'. Your knife example seems exactly like a story you'd have in america about racism.
I think its nice to pull ourselves out of a sterotypical flame war.
xak




ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 8:36:18 AM)

oh yeah and two more quick things aswad:

Most/many Americans get their sense of the American culture in the exact same way you do. We arn't exactly a well-traveled lot, as a whole. Sure they know a few city blocks or a suburban/rural town real well, but other than that group of socio-economically and philisophically similar people, all they know about their country comes from the television and movies they choose to watch.

And your story about young women going out with the intention to get drunk with no money in their pockets probably happens in every bar scene around the world. Its why we call many of our young women gold diggers / sluts and alot of our guys 'tools' or just stupid.

Maybe its another reason prostitution should remain illeagle: two or three vodka cranberries is much cheaper than the prevaling rate of a blow-job, and peoples daddies are already too strained paying for a taken for granted college degree and a drunk driving mobile to increase their man-child's/trophy wife to be's pocket money .




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 9:52:14 AM)

i want a Box of HO HOs its cheaper and and safer




ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 10:40:34 AM)

And you can get
Your perfect Hostess treat
At any gas-station!
They have WAY more corners covered!




daddysprop247 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 11:13:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

Prostitution only encourages the kind of sex-divorced-from-emotion attitude which leads to men who hate and/or abuse of women (all women who give it up to him must be a whore in some way because he spent a hundred dollars, regaurdless of the circumstance, right?). As Family Guy's quagmire points out (paraphrase), 'you don't pay a prostitute for sex. You pay a prostitute to shut up and go away when your finished'. Just because a girl loves sex doesnt mean she has to be a sex worker. You arn't sacrificing anything by having a day job.


actually this is one of the many areas in which i feel sex workers perform an admirable community service...the "sex divorced from emotion attitude" you mention...in my view this is a healthy, mature view of sex, as in reality it is a phsycial urge/drive and to unnaturally attach emotions to it only further encourages the lunacy our society currently embraces where little girls grow up thinking their virginity is a prize to be won, and women feeling that men should have to beg, plead and jump through hoops for the honor of experiencing their sex. not to mention needless heartbreak and damaged relationships over issues of monogamy (or lack thereof) and casual sex.

for me sex has always been an emotionless (in the sense of the heart or getting attached in any fashion) affair, don't know why, just seems to be the way i was wired, and i've always been grateful for it because i've seen nothing but ignorance, misunderstandings and pain result from the "sex means something" view. the fact that a prostitue is raw and honest about sex, that her clients can see and experience for themselves that it isn't the emotionally bonding/woman worshipping act that society and likely their wives has taught them to believe it is, is a beautiful thing imo.




Sinergy -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 12:07:58 PM)

 
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Everyone craves love and intimacy, what sex worker sell is the fantasy and experience.



Somebody may have already posted this, and I do not recall which movie it is from, but the line "Men do not pay a hooker to stay, they pay her to leave" seems fairly relevant to this thread.

Sinergy

p.s.  I avoid looking down on anybody.  I have never paid for sex, but without a demand the supply would dry up.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 12:09:43 PM)

what is the movie with tom curise and rebecca demorey




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 12:13:30 PM)

lets see positution causes problems among married couples and other thingys




Aswad -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 3:29:35 PM)

ChainsandFreedom,

First, as to what you said about where the negative views are from...

Looking at some traditional views, from way back when nobody knew jack about the STD problem, the jews seem to identify the prostitute with the Lilith archetype on some level: the woman who would not submit to her man. Without spending too much time on the details, this is pretty much what was already said about it being a tool of control: an unerasable brand that incurs scorn from society. Simply put, a way to control women.

Sure, someone knew about STDs, in some way, as the cleanliness commandments and so forth were the best tools for managing diseases of pretty much any sort up until very recently. But that does not appear to have been common knowledge in any way. Thus, it appears like there was already condescension, or- if not- that it was applied to those women who were more like Lilith than Eve, once it was established as having a negative connotation.

Just think about it. A lot of men are vagina-addicts who not only think about little else, but also seem to think of the rest of the woman as something that comes along with it, rather than appreciating them and according them respect. There will always be much demand for sex work, unless we're genetically reengineered to suppress that trait.

It is the one way any woman could have supported herself, and supported herself well, regardless of any other attributes and qualities. Financial independence, no need to have some husband support her and take charge of her life, and so forth. Can you even begin to comprehend how threatening that must have seemed to the patriarchy?

I mean, just look at how many men are threatened by successful women today.

Then, let's address a couple of points more specifically:

quote:


The more sex work is acceptable, the more young women will use sex for money instead of rising above their 'holes' and actually making something of their lives.


That's pretty judgmental and condescending...

quote:


Prostitution only encourages the kind of sex-divorced-from-emotion attitude which leads to men who hate and/or abuse of women


Those I know with the healthiest relationships to- and the most respect for- women, do seperate sex and emotion, leading me to think you have the causal order wrong. It's too simple. It's like vanilla icecream with chocolate sauce: icecream is nice, and chocolate is nice, too, while together, they have a synergy that leads to something more than the sum of the parts. This doesn't mean you can't have icecream or chocolate by itself, or that it is wrong to eat them seperately. Same thing with sex and the attachment/emotion.

Best wishes,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 3:30:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

glad we could find some common ground.


~nod~

[sm=flowers.gif]




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 4:05:56 PM)

some how i am having retro 60s flash backs in this conversation




Aswad -> RE: Sex workers in the BDSM and D/s lifestyles (8/8/2007 6:13:18 PM)

Exchanging pleasantries, or even flowers, does not imply any sixties connotations.

For that matter, I wasn't even alive back then.




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