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American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 9:49:33 PM   
kiyari


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Why good jobs for graduates are missing

http://economyincrisis.org/articles/show/1105

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US colleges and universities continue to graduate hundreds of thousands of qualified engineers, IT professionals, and other professionals who will never have the opportunity to work in the professions for which they have been trained. America today is like India of yesteryear, with engineers working as bartenders, taxi cab drivers, waitresses, and employed in menial work in dog kennels as the offshoring of US jobs dismantles the ladders of upward mobility for US citizens.

The latest report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that the real wages and salaries of US civilian workers are below those of 5 years ago. It could not be otherwise with US corporations offshoring good jobs in order to reduce labor costs and, thereby, to convert wages once paid to Americans into multi-million dollar bonuses paid to CEOs and other top management.
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Something evil about Life revolving around filthy lucre...

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 9:54:32 PM   
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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:02:47 PM   
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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:19:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: came4U

yawwwwnnnnnnn


Okay then,...tell us what gets Canadians excited?......

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:21:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I double majored and got my degree in history and criminal justice.  I was encouraged to go on to graduate school by my professors, and I just laughed.  I didn't end up doing anything to do with either subject.  Most of us go to college to get the degree, and then we take our chances in the job market.  The majority of us will end up doing something totally unrelated to our degree after college.  Despite the content of this post, you are better off with a degree than without one. 

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:23:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: foxynfun

So let me guess, you have a degree in Journalism and find yourself just posting on collarme?  I guess your article must be true..


SO... What motivated you to reply to this thread? (Inquiring minds n all that)

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:26:59 PM   
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I double majored and got my degree in history and criminal justice.  I was encouraged to go on to graduate school by my professors, and I just laughed.  I didn't end up doing anything to do with either subject.  Most of us go to college to get the degree, and then we take our chances in the job market.  The majority of us will end up doing something totally unrelated to our degree after college.  Despite the content of this post, you are better off with a degree than without one. 


I agree if one shall have pursued something of personal interest for them
(although paying for the experience may subsequently prove troublesome)

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:32:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I double majored and got my degree in history and criminal justice.  I was encouraged to go on to graduate school by my professors, and I just laughed.  I didn't end up doing anything to do with either subject.  Most of us go to college to get the degree, and then we take our chances in the job market.  The majority of us will end up doing something totally unrelated to our degree after college.  Despite the content of this post, you are better off with a degree than without one. 


I think the gist was exportation of jobs,incomes flat for 5 years(w/ inflation,that`s a pay cut,for 5 years),no job security and ridiculous compensation of CEOs

I know,yawwwwwn. Here,I`ll sexy the thread up,lol.

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:32:18 PM   
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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: foxynfun

I just couldn't believe my eyes that I was at collarme and not WallstreetJournal.com 


This is,after all, the off topic forum,cute little girl..... 

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:47:35 PM   
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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:49:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: foxynfun

I don't suppose they have a way off topic forum section.


Laughs out loud and still go`n.That was clever......

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: foxynfun

I just couldn't believe my eyes that I was at collarme and not WallstreetJournal.com 


Foxynfun, we post and start threads about anything in "off topic" section.
Politics, religion, science, economics, you name it!
That's why it's one of my favorite sections.

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 10:54:59 PM   
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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 11:01:07 PM   
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oh ya

and beer. lol

sigh, at people that flaunt degrees on a bdsm site lol.

me dummy, me no go der. non non.

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 11:15:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: came4U

beer, beer and oh comics (ballstreetjournal.com)

oh ya

and beer. lol

sigh, at people that flaunt degrees on a bdsm site lol.

me dummy, me no go der. non non.


ummm..Beer  good.........,fire bad....

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/8/2007 11:35:19 PM   
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Does this site have any statistics?

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/9/2007 2:35:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		A corporation exists for one and only one reason; profit.

How that profit is achieved, decides which companies are successful and which ones are not.

Nobody points to individual americans on the street with a Wallmart shopping bag, and blames them personally for the death of the neighborhood grocery store.  (well, honestly, I've had a homeless person claim I stole his bag, but that's another story.)

It's easy to blame corporations, for our own inability to compete.  We have the same opportunities to become CEOs as the...well...CEOs.  The richest man living today didn't get there by bitching about how 'other' companies made better software.

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/9/2007 2:43:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is just a case of education inflation. The more graduates a nation has the more the graduate is devalued as a national asset.

The problem seems to be a belief in the US that one just has to work hard and get educated to get on in life which is not true. There will always be a social pyramid and that is something the Europeans found out long ago and tend to believe in more egalitarian societies. A country is always going to need more garbage collectors than professors.

My brother's father in law (who is American) gave him this advice. Don't work hard at earning a living, work hard at accumulating money. Play the system! One can waste a life time believing in government propaganda that a good education and a good work ethic is what is needed for a successful life. They won't harm ones chances but many left on the first base have both and failed to climb the social ladder.

Actually according to an OECD report last year, social mobility is more prevalent in more egalitarian societies than societies such as the US and Britain. Which suggests education diplomas aren't the key to success, though a well rounded education obviously is.

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RE: American Nightmare - 8/9/2007 6:28:39 AM   
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