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thompsonx -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 9:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I posted a link somewhere on here which expressed the view, and possibly orders, that showed that when the Japanese (forget which number) fleet went missing in the Pacific, Roosevelt ordered the Pacific Carrier fleets out of harbor. I tend to think he left the battleships because Germany had no real navy to speak of, and carrier task forces made battleships irrelevant. I have also posted a link on here that US intelligence had determined that Japan had spent the previous months testing a new form of aerial torpedo for use in shallow water... I tend to think Roosevelt left them there, knowing that an attack on Pearl Harbor would force the hand of Congress to give him his war declaration. I hope they have a special place in hell reserved for the man that left all those servicemen to their deaths. Sinergy Sinergy: It is instructive to note that all the battleships at Pearl Harbor were the oldest in the U.S. Navy,the largest gun carried was 14". The 11 battleships that were sunk one was a "tow target". The Arizona, the second oldest battleship in the navy was stripped of its useful parts and left on the bottom as a monument. Of the remaining nine battleships eight were tactical within six months. The ninth was refloated, stripped of its useful parts and sold for scrap. thompson

Satyr6406 -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 9:55:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level *Now, I am not saying we played a "major roll". Only that all the ingrediants were there, already and we were ... I kill myself, sometimes ... the straw that stirred the drink.* You, my friend, will be hearing from Reggie Jackson's attorneys. [:D] Level; You know I like you but, Reggie can't sue me. He has steadfastly denied that he ever said that. I'm in the clear! (I learned that in "Philadelphia Lawyering 101"!) Peace and comfort, Michael

thompsonx -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 9:58:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's not in the quote? But who's the post addressed to? To me. Means you were thinking of me, come on now, admit it [:)] , since you quoted something from meatcleaver and inserted it in a reply to moi, le petit chat. It's alright, you know, to like somebody from afar [sm=hello.gif] kittinsol: If you would add a pic of that osf butt of yours to your profile then the "liking somebody from afar" thingie would be just that much more fun[;)]. After all I did send you a pic of me from my more svelte days[;)]. thompson

Sinergy -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 10:07:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The Arizona, the second oldest battleship in the navy was stripped of its useful parts and left on the bottom as a monument. Of the remaining nine battleships eight were tactical within six months. The ninth was refloated, stripped of its useful parts and sold for scrap. My point, Thompsonx, is that he could have at least ordered the sailors off the ships. Can always pull up and strip or refit ships. Cannot give those men doing their duty and trusting in the faith of their military chain of command their lives back, after they are sacrificed for political reasons. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 10:46:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The Arizona, the second oldest battleship in the navy was stripped of its useful parts and left on the bottom as a monument. Of the remaining nine battleships eight were tactical within six months. The ninth was refloated, stripped of its useful parts and sold for scrap. My point, Thompsonx, is that he could have at least ordered the sailors off the ships. Can always pull up and strip or refit ships. Cannot give those men doing their duty and trusting in the faith of their military chain of command their lives back, after they are sacrificed for political reasons. Sinergy Sinergy: If he had done that then his "day that will forever live in infamy" speech would have been a little flat and probably not had its desired effect on congress.... I think it would have been more effective to have warned the folks at Pearl Harbor and been waiting for the attack with all of our aircraft in the air and up high coupled with the carriers that were out to sea attacking the Japanese carriers. This would have been a crushing blow to the Japanese and Germany would still have been obligated to declare war on the U.S. as Roosevelt wanted. Now imagine the scene when the Japanese ambassador deliverers the declaration of war to the President and his gang and gets told "Yeah we know we just sank all your carriers. Now go tell your boss to play nice or we are gonna go spank his ass." thompson

seeksfemslave -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 10:50:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave incorrect quote of KittenSol oops post 56 should have been attributed to my friend Sinergy who is for ever trying to kick my arse lol I just do an Ali shuffle and stay one post ahead lol.

wankerforuse -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 11:17:04 AM)
Oh come on without the Russians it would of been a lot costlier in time and also it would of resulted in alot more of American and British lives.So please don't be so ungreatful,I personally think Russians are cool.And with their help in WW2 we have alot to be greatful to them for.

NorthernGent -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 12:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: The US played a significant role in WW2; however, in comparison with the Russians, they were the supporting act. Because of course, it was the Russians who took the Pacific, island by island, and carrier by carrier.[8\|] Is revisionist history easier than having to think for yourself? The glasses and smilies are out; you must mean business. See OP.

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 12:24:38 PM)
i love this site Germany http://www.acesofww2.com/germany/aces/Hartmann.htm http://www.luftwaffe.cz/barkhorn.html soviet aces http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/Soviet.htm american aces http://www.acesofww2.com/USA/USA.htm one of my idols lol i have his signed photo lol http://www.acepilots.com/usmc_boyington.html British Pilots http://www.acesofww2.com/UK/UK.htm http://englishrussia.com/?p=299 to me its all about the numbers to see who was the greater i heard someone be critical of patton the do not know great generals. Patton wanted to go right in russia and kick booty he knew what kinda of person stalin was

NorthernGent -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 12:34:57 PM)
Tens of millions of young lads lost their lives............there's always someone trying to take over the world. Those who fail to learn from history............

SimplyMichael -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 1:42:25 PM)
Thompson, I wasn't aware the Germans flew many fw190s on the Eastern Front? They were primarily used against us is my understanding and Caitlyn has said the same thing and I have yet to catch her with bad facts even if I don't agree with her analysis. So, any documentation?

Sinergy -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 1:52:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx If he had done that then his "day that will forever live in infamy" speech would have been a little flat and probably not had its desired effect on congress.... It saddens me deeply that the lives of brave soldiers who sign up to do their duty for our country are sacrificed at the behest of craven speechwriters. It seems very easy for some people to freely offer up other people to make the ultimate sacrifice. I just dont understand it. Step up to the plate, lay your life on the line for your convictions, or shut the hell up and dont support other cowardly bastards trumpeting that nonsense. If I ever end up meeting any of these soldiers in the hereafter, I, at least, will not try to give them pep talks and jingoistic nonsense and "for the greater good" tripe as to why their lives were cut short by their Commander In Chief. Sinergy p.s. Similarly, I will not give similar speeches to those who died in Vietnam or Iraq.

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 2:02:14 PM)
Thompy, can I count on your discretion?

Alumbrado -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 2:10:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's not in the quote? But who's the post addressed to? To me. Means you were thinking of me, come on now, admit it [:)] , since you quoted something from meatcleaver and inserted it in a reply to moi, le petit chat. It's alright, you know, to like somebody from afar [sm=hello.gif] I'm pretty sure that you know how the forum software works by now... that 'in reply to' tag is meaningless. Sorry to get your hopes up. ( in reply to Rollo Tomasi ) [;)]

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 2:14:14 PM)
Woah. You did have a sense of humour in the end :-) .

seeksfemslave -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 3:23:37 PM)
I simply do not believe that a conspiracy existed such that Roosevelt knew that Pearl Harbour was about to be attacked and did nothing about it. The "problem" would be too easy to deal with in other ways than by leaving your own forces sitting as targets for the approaching onslaught. <Reply to > in a post is not meaningless it simply points to the previous poster. It really ought to be changed , but there you are.

came4U -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 3:36:27 PM)
there are the rumors/stories that US university students wrote on 'hypothetical' ways to breach US security forces and to submit the high authority air/navy vessels. A political science and theory course of some kind, not a major university as I recall, a lesser branch. (would have to look it up). These plans may or may not have been given to the then security counc. of FDR or his newly formed spy-tiraders. Even so, with or without such information, Hawaii was, and other areas of importance (Fla to california) and various mid-sections of land bases army facilities were under low supervision by order of such parties. Their break in command was due to over-stimulation of ground troups that were being re-assessed and re-assimilated into civilian world. Missouri, for one had a major breach, Ft. Knox and Drum both could have easily been manipulated. Hawaii was then, because of it's use as med facility/re-coop/vacation for troop activity should NOT have been in charge of occupying and in theory NOT have such reponsibility of giving port to the majority of sea-worthy and war-ready vehicles. (from my studies of WWI - WWII, feasible activity charges/change, political science, Japan's influence of desperation and endless pursuit of copulatory mirror Chinese defence , Essay, 2002.)

thompsonx -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 3:44:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Thompy, can I count on your discretion? kittinSol: A gentlemans word is his bond. thompson

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 3:51:23 PM)
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came4U -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 3:51:32 PM)
k wait, will take me a week to catch up on this thread because I just noticed it. But, one point. Someone said that the Germans sent the best to the Eastern Front. Wrong. The difference between them and us is that the Germans sent their best first, lesser, second, best again, like waves. Himler fed on the upper-classes (unlike us) to give their bleeing-heart best to fulfill his mission (the educated becoming cannon-fodder, etc) and working under the common factory worker. That is how he survived so long. That and very few other reasons. Giving hero status to the upper-echelon's sons who were given to bratty stimuli all their lives. It was not until the rich began to witness that their sons were being used as 'ligate-weaponry' that the effort to difuse leadership was spun into action from again, the top UP.

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