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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 9:54:59 PM   
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When my exhubby was having an affair, I STILL remember when his mistress [woman he was cheating on me with] called ME up and told me that he was cheating on HER with someone else. I heard from 4 other women in 2 days, saying the SAME thing. After I finished laughing, I called parole, then filed for divorce.

Karma. Men/people who cheat DESERVE to be caught. It looks like the florest in this case had a bit of help from karma as to exposing this moron's devious and illegal activity. Affairs ARE illegal in most states.. in California we have an 'Alientaion of Affection' Law on the books. Any one who has an affair can be prosecuted for that.Its a 'karma' law.

OP, do NOT call me 'little girl.' Its disgusting, repulsive and offensive.


Affairs are Hawt!!... haw!!...hawt!!... It shouldn't be surprising to anyone who reads these forums that you are wrong.....California like most states no longer has on the books an Alienation of Affection law......Affairs are not illegal....They are Hawt!!!

Even in the few states that have Alienation of affection laws...an affair would not automatically be an offense....Your wife might be crazy or a total cunt and deserve to be affaired upon....(affaired upon...It's got a nice ring to it)

If there was such a thing as karma it seems, from what I have read about the things that you have done, you would really be screwed!!....You should count your lucky stars, little girl.....Or tell your loved ones to steer clear of you because a big ol' lightening bolt is heading your way.


Domiguy is correct.No state enforces those laws anymore.
The civil suit will be enough.All the crap will get picked apart, and the money will get divided,based on who`s the biggest asshole.


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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 9:58:31 PM   
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I read the whole article and my amatuer opinion is that that guy wont get anything from Flowers and the wife wont' get anything from the hubby.

First of all, he can't sue the flower company on a supposition of what MIGHT happen.  He first has to suffer damages as the result of their error. 
And I doubt that will happen, because the note only proves he sent flowers to another woman, it doesn't prove that he fucked her, so who knows if the wife can even prove infidelity from this.
And even if she could,  I'm not sure that adultery carries punitive damages anymore.  I know it doesn't in New Jersey, but don't know about other states. 
And the stuff about her getting more child support because of an affair is bullshit as well.  CS is calculated very specifically to  pre-formulated state guidelines based on each parties' income and number of children.  The specific cause of action in the divorce plays no part whatsoever in the amount of child support that is paid.



I think we just heard from an esquire.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 10:06:02 PM   
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I disagree with the slams against the guy for cheating...based on this quote:

"After Leroy Greer's wife filed for divorce in January 2006, he began seeing another woman and sent his new girlfriend a dozen long-stemmed roses. But a few months after the flowers were sent, Greer reconciled with his wife, and she moved back in to his Missouri City home, according to Greer's lawyer, Kennitra Foote."

I think his wife just wanted to get rid of him and take his cash. If that incident happened when they were separated, she has basically no leg to stand on. Plus, she opened his mail and that's a federal crime, I believe.

"Section 1702. Obstruction of correspondence
Whoever takes any letter . . . which has been in any post office or
authorized depository . . . before it has been delivered to the person
to whom it was directed . . . or opens, secretes, embezzles, or
destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
more than five years, or both.
18 U.S.C. § 1702. "

Though, I think he doesn't have a leg to stand on either and shouldn't get shit.


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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 10:13:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he had this gf AFTER they broke up it's not cheating, if he kept her after they got back ya, cheating.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 10:19:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was just about to mention that; he and his wife were separated at the time he was dating someone else and sent that woman the flowers. he technically wasnt cheating, because he was going through a divorce, with the expectation that he would not be in a relationship with his current wife in the future. its perfectly acceptable to date while going through a divorce, which can last YEARS. the fact that his wife thought that he was CHEATING on her, while she was divorcing him, is laughable, and if she was serious about reconciling then it shouldnt have mattered to her.

on the topic of him suing the flower company; its sorta stupid, but he did ask for privacy as part of their service to him, and that service wasnt met, which lead to his continued divorce and further monitary loss. this actually sounds like a better lawsuite than someone suing mcdonalds for them being fat.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/10/2007 11:13:59 PM   
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First of all, he can't sue the flower company on a supposition of what MIGHT happen.  He first has to suffer damages as the result of their error. 



Stress, emotional distress, breach of the data protection act (assuming there is one in the US).

I can't believe this bloke can't sue and win, particularly in the US where people sue for hot water; giving out his personal information isn't on, and what sort of precendent will it set for other businesses if this goes unchecked?

There's a wider, political issue here: the government and establishment want people to feel secure with their private property so they continue to invest; they can't afford to have people feeling insecure about their right to privacy.


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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 1:02:02 AM   
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I answered your post in great detail based upon some personal experience.  After some thought, I didn't want to leave it out here.  I sent it to your mail.



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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 3:41:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		A flower deliver service has no business in the thank you business long AFTER the transaction was paid for. Imagine if Hotels and Motels began doing this?  I don't advocate cheating but these are two companies that have made millions in direct funding from adulturous activities and this is one way of biting the hand that feeds you.  It seems like an employee made a mistake or had a rant of piousness, either or, a distant future disclosure of such purchase should not have been made.  I side with the jerk-wad cheater, in this, and only this instance.  What next? ruining Christmas by sending voicemails (in November) to teenyboppers thanking their partents for their purchase of a new X-Box? Pfttt.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 3:44:12 AM   
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Ok...now unless My reading skills have seriously declined where does this article say he definitively had an affair? I didn't see anywhere where he admitted to having an affair with anyone. By the sounds of it she decided they were done, she was moved out, and had initiated divorce. So the guy is supposed to what?? sit around and boohoo about the wife that decided she was divorcing him?? What is so extraordinary about someone actually moving on? There are so many people out there that can't function without a mate that I am almost surprised when a long time married person stays single after a split, it seems so rare nowadays. I think some even term it "the rebound effect". As for the actual wording...LOL...I have seen so many people fall in "love" during this phase, it would not be an uncommon thing to write IMO. And you ask yourself what person after sharing years of love and harmony in a marriage would want to keep a "possible" new thing, if what they have always loved and held dear is running back saying "ok let's make it work now"? I am glad to see not everybody was on a slamfest without garnering solid facts and evidence.
 
The wife should not have freaked out and decided that he was having an affair. Maybe been suspicious, gotten some proof first...then freaked out. I see this as a usual attempt of a spouse trying to bleed the other one for all they can get out of them. Instead of deciding this guy is a piece of crap that needs to be taken for all he is worth why not ask yourselves how much of the worth did she even put there? What true rights does she have to use something from a "single" point in his life to leverage more funds out of him now? The figure amounts for this “injustice” is ridiculous really…and using it as a way to gain more money for child support? Nice to know kids are a now a money pit to draw upon. And what proof has she really that she didn't have any kind of relationship or fling when they were separated? How many women get away with that while the husband pines for them to return to the marriage? Point is…shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
 
I don't go with the "well your just separated so you shouldn't in case it works out with the spouse"...not after being separated 9 yrs with no formal divorce. It wasn't necessary for Me and My ex-spouse as neither of us had plans to re-marry, yet we both moved on and it came to a point where it was and that was that.
 
As for the actual lawsuit regarding his claim of breach of confidentiality, though he does have some warrant to bitch about it he most likely will not get any kind of payout as the divorce was originally initiated before the incident…which points to the impossibility that they were the “reason for his divorce”
 
People make Me shake My head some days....
 
 

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 4:22:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to see Page 2 posters didn't automatically jump onto the "he's a cheating piece of shit" bandwagon. 

This does say it all:

After Leroy Greer's wife filed for divorce in January 2006, he began seeing another woman and sent his new girlfriend a dozen long-stemmed roses. But a few months after the flowers were sent, Greer reconciled with his wife


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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 4:40:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I noticed that.  Once someone files for divorce, (documented) I am doubtful it is considered adultry.  Not to mention the note for the flowers. "Just wanted to say that I love you and you mean the world to me!"  The same note could be sent to a sister or an aunt.   

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 6:16:25 AM   
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A flower deliver service has no business in the thank you business long AFTER the transaction was paid for. Imagine if Hotels and Motels began doing this?  I don't advocate cheating but these are two companies that have made millions in direct funding from adulturous activities and this is one way of biting the hand that feeds you.  It seems like an employee made a mistake or had a rant of piousness, either or, a distant future disclosure of such purchase should not have been made.  I side with the jerk-wad cheater, in this, and only this instance.  What next? ruining Christmas by sending voicemails (in November) to teenyboppers thanking their partents for their purchase of a new X-Box? Pfttt.


my husband took a flight from dc about 3 months ago.  he got a "thank you fly us again!" postcard yesterday.

so it does happen.

kitten...who was smugly glad that trip he took was miserable....

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 6:18:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well he was separated but I don't see how he can blame the company but many people sue for alot less nowadays.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 6:36:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the hotels and motels DO send out thank you notes.  Mine came after my now ex admitted to cheating and moved out to go be with her.  I got a letter (well, actually HE did, but he wasn't living there anymore, so I opened it,  lol) from the Days Inn thanking him for his continued business....business that I wasn't aware of, but Days Inn was the only motel in the town where she was.....

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 6:45:10 AM   
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Lawyers Using E-ZPass to Expose Adulterous Spouses
Saturday, August 11, 2007



E-MAIL STORY
PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
TRENTON, N.J. —  Adulterers, beware: Your cheatin' heart might be exposed by E-ZPass.
E-ZPass and other electronic toll collection systems are emerging as a powerful means of proving infidelity. That's because when your spouse doesn't know where you've been, E-ZPass does.
"E-ZPass is an E-ZPass to go directly to divorce court, because it's an easy way to show you took the off-ramp to adultery," said Jacalyn Barnett, a New York divorce lawyer who has used E-ZPass records a few times.
Lynne Gold-Bikin, a Pennsylvania divorce lawyer, said E-ZPass helped prove a client's husband was being unfaithful: "He claimed he was in a business meeting in Pennsylvania. And I had records to show he went to New Jersey that night."
 
For more click the link
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292979,00.html

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 6:53:48 AM   
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I got a letter (well, actually HE did, but he wasn't living there anymore, so I opened it,  lol)


Oooh... isn't that a felony (opening someone else's mail)? LOL

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Lawyers Using E-ZPass to Expose Adulterous Spouses


That means absolutely nothing.. The "off-ramp to adultery" could be the off-ramp to WalMart or a scenic drive home or a million other places. 

Unless someone has pictures of actual adulterous intercourse, there's no way to prove it... even if someone has emails, screenshots, keystroke logs, postcards, witnesses that saw the alleged "adulterous couple" having dinner together.  The most that could be used would be "alienation of affection", but even that isn't a sure-fire thing these days.




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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 7:03:48 AM   
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Yes, I noticed that.  Once someone files for divorce, (documented) I am doubtful it is considered adultry.  Not to mention the note for the flowers. "Just wanted to say that I love you and you mean the world to me!"  The same note could be sent to a sister or an aunt.   


Actually, in Louisiana at least, until the judge signs final divorce papers, you are still considered legally married to your spouse, since there is no "legal separation" here.  My attorney made sure to inform me of that after I had to file for divorce many years ago.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 7:37:42 AM   
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After Leroy Greer's wife filed for divorce in January 2006, he began seeing another woman and sent his new girlfriend a dozen long-stemmed roses. But a few months after the flowers were sent, Greer reconciled with his wife, and she moved back in to his Missouri City home, according to Greer's lawyer, Kennitra Foote.


I'm a little confused.  Wife files for divorce.... wife moves out... hubby starts seeing another woman and sends her flowers.  Is that * really * an affair ?

Personally I wouldn't even date until a separation or divorce agreement was final, but I don't see this guy as cheating, per se. If wife has proof  hubby continued relationship after reconciliation, then sure, she has proof. I am just not sure if proof of a relationship during a time of separation with divorce proceedings in effect is actually infidelity in a legal sense. Of course, I'm no lawyer so maybe it is.

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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 7:54:27 AM   
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A flower deliver service has no business in the thank you business long AFTER the transaction was paid for. Imagine if Hotels and Motels began doing this?  I don't advocate cheating but these are two companies that have made millions in direct funding from adulturous activities and this is one way of biting the hand that feeds you.  It seems like an employee made a mistake or had a rant of piousness, either or, a distant future disclosure of such purchase should not have been made.  I side with the jerk-wad cheater, in this, and only this instance.  What next? ruining Christmas by sending voicemails (in November) to teenyboppers thanking their partents for their purchase of a new X-Box? Pfttt.




Some companies have an auto-send program,that`ll pop out a thank you note, or a reminder,etc.You know the cards you get from the Dentist or vet,reminding you of a yearly check up?The business owners don`t necessarily know who or when they go out.They`re doing bigger things.

It might have been a store policy,to send out a thank you note to everyone.That it was a month later doesn`t seem out of the normal.

He also might have been telling his ex , that he was faithful,even during the separation,and that`s why he`s getting a divorce. Not that he was caught cheating while living at home.Maybe he thought he could have a freebie or two while he was separated,but  lied about it to his spouse.

I know a guy who got caught,when his wife called him at his hotel, while on a business trip.The desk clerk asked if she wanted to leave a message at the desk ,for either Mr. or Mrs............

She didn`t say this ,"this is Mrs. So&so,may I speak to my husband?"She just asked for him by name,and POW!

The desk clerk was one of dozens who worked there.What,are they going to mention at the staff meeting,"Attention,this guy over here. is cheating,so we gotta help keep his story straight".Or put up a post-it at the desk w/ reminders of who`s catting around.
That`s a bit to much to expect,IMO.


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RE: Man sues 1-800 Flowers for revealing affair - 8/11/2007 8:01:54 AM   
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I got a letter (well, actually HE did, but he wasn't living there anymore, so I opened it,  lol)


Oooh... isn't that a felony (opening someone else's mail)? LOL

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Lawyers Using E-ZPass to Expose Adulterous Spouses


That means absolutely nothing.. The "off-ramp to adultery" could be the off-ramp to WalMart or a scenic drive home or a million other places. 

Unless someone has pictures of actual adulterous intercourse, there's no way to prove it... even if someone has emails, screenshots, keystroke logs, postcards, witnesses that saw the alleged "adulterous couple" having dinner together.  The most that could be used would be "alienation of affection", but even that isn't a sure-fire thing these days.





It`s not illegal to read a post card,or a print-out card.Those things don`t need opening.

As for the photo proof,I`m sure that it`s used to prove someone`s lying,whether they`re fucking or not.

Some advice.Never tell a lie,where it`s possible you`ll get caught.

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