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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 8:34:49 AM   
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I am going to respond to your post point by point, I only hope I get the formatting right.


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: strikingamatch
mentally (how many female winners of the Nobel prize are there?)

Is that due to some inherent quality in males and females, or the fact that females have, for generations in society, been unable and unencouraged to pursue those academic interests?


I do not have the ability nor do I know that it is possible, to prove a point of view in a manner that does not allow for an opposing opinion. I simply noted that genius is limited almost exclusively to men. I belive the difference is inherent and cannot be explained by nurture. I do not believe that nature can be denied over such a huge period of time and over such broad expanses of society. I can accept that others do not agree. I simply stated my opinion.


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and emotionally (better able to handle stress and challenges)

You're going to have to back that statement up. How do you see this as true?


I think that is self evident both in the work place and general social interaction. Men do not suffer from mood swings like women. Men are better able to handle pressure. Again, this is my non-scientific opinion, based entirely on my own observations.


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Women have almost always occupied an inferior position in society. Even in the western world today after a century of feminism (beinning with the suffragettes) women still get paid less than men for equal work.

Wait, are you saying that the reason women get paid less is because males are superior for the jobs?


I am saying that women are taken advantage of, because they are weaker than men, and thus easier to take advantage of. Even when a woman does a job as well as a man or even better she will still be paid less. That is an economic reality.


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I believe that women who are in touch with themselves and are aware of their limitations seek out stronger men for security and support. I further believe that men who are aware of their gifts, wish to utilise those gifts and give of themselves to those who need them. That is to my mind a fundamental part of the d/s dynamic.

You obviously have no conception of homosexuality or bisexual in Ds then, or the female dom/male sub component.


When I speak of d/s relationship I refer exclusively to male dom and female sub. I have almost no understanding of different permutations of the above dynamic.


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I further believe that denial of the above, is catastrophic for women. If you face off a man and woman against each other the woman will almost always lose. By denying female vulnerability we also deny them the protection they deserve.

Face off in what sense? Obviously, I disagree with your view of male supremacy.


Put a man and a woman in a boxing ring, the man will almost always win. Face off a man and a woman in any other arena, and again, the man will almost always win.

I realise you do not agree with me, but I want to thank you for presenting your point of view in a friendly and non-insulting manner. I might be male, but I am sensitive too, and always appreciate when people treat me well.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 8:48:29 AM   
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Put a man and a woman in a boxing ring, the man will almost always win. Face off a man and a woman in any other arena, and again, the man will almost always win.


Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day - give a man the means to fish, and He will eat for a lifetime.
Some women can paint - some men cannot - and visa versa.

Some men can run - some women can run faster.

Some women are great scholars - so are some men. Other men can be nothing more than neanderthals.

Some men cannot cook at all. Yet some men make great chefs.

There are a huge amount of women in governments around the world - great leaders past and present - great wisdom comes from their lips.
And men.

Nobel prizes are based on an institution. It isn't men are superior - it is that because of the fake percieved greater strengths that they managed to control these institutions.
There are matriarcal societies and patriarchal - you happen to have been raised in a male dominated society. Doesn't make you right absolutely - just aware of a standard that has been nurtured.

Women have power - they just use it in different ways. They have had to - which only makes them more adaptable, possibly? I think to deny the power a woman has, is to deny that which you have the ability to love and care for.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 8:49:06 AM   
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I do not have the ability nor do I know that it is possible, to prove a point of view in a manner that does not allow for an opposing opinion. I simply noted that genius is limited almost exclusively to men.

Actually, no, you noted Nobel prize winners are majority male. Noting that genius in itself is limited to men is an even vaster and more outrageous claim- with no real substantiation. Genius in art, in music, in writing, in science, and in philosophy exists in both males and females.
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I belive the difference is inherent and cannot be explained by nurture. I do not believe that nature can be denied over such a huge period of time and over such broad expanses of society. I can accept that others do not agree. I simply stated my opinion.

Take the other aspects of genius that I mentioned and then apply it. What huge period of time are we talking?

But my guess is you've had this debate a lot of times before now and neither of us will be changed in the end.


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I think that is self evident both in the work place and general social interaction. Men do not suffer from mood swings like women.


I don't think that's self-evident, even in my own personal experience males go through mood swings just as much as women. There is also the notion that males are notorious for their lack of anger and aggression management, and the fact that far more males than females are considered criminals.

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Men are better able to handle pressure.

How are you defining that? Are more males than females on anti-depressants? Do they live longer? Do they perform better on stress tests? Do they have more fulfilling relationships? Do females take on more pressures than males overall or vice versa? What situations do males perform "better" emotionally in and how are you defining "better"?

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Again, this is my non-scientific opinion, based entirely on my own observations.

At least you admit it. I think your observations are very unfounded and haven't taken all the variables into account.

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I am saying that women are taken advantage of, because they are weaker than men, and thus easier to take advantage of. Even when a woman does a job as well as a man or even better she will still be paid less. That is an economic reality.

Which does not equate to inherent lacking in females to males. I happen to agree that females allow themselves to be taken advantage of, but I don't think it's anything inherent to them which allows this.

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When I speak of d/s relationship I refer exclusively to male dom and female sub. I have almost no understanding of different permutations of the above dynamic.

That explains a lot then, your limited understanding of such a real and vibrant part of wiitwd probably contributes a lot to your limited understanding of gender issues and differences.


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Put a man and a woman in a boxing ring, the man will almost always win. Face off a man and a woman in any other arena, and again, the man will almost always win.

I've agreed with you that, in general, males are stronger than females. There are plenty of exceptions of course, there are females who are stronger than just about any man you could put against her.

In any other arena however is quite a vast and unsupported claim.
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I realise you do not agree with me, but I want to thank you for presenting your point of view in a friendly and non-insulting manner. I might be male, but I am sensitive too, and always appreciate when people treat me well.

Eh, what's the point in getting upset or lashing out emotionally- thought that's what a female does, right?

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 8:50:42 AM   
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quote:

I might be male, but I am sensitive too, and always appreciate when people treat me well.


Well you might be treated better if you didn't post such absolutely prejudicial comments.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 12:07:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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I do not have the ability nor do I know that it is possible, to prove a point of view in a manner that does not allow for an opposing opinion. I simply noted that genius is limited almost exclusively to men.

Actually, no, you noted Nobel prize winners are majority male. Noting that genius in itself is limited to men is an even vaster and more outrageous claim- with no real substantiation. Genius in art, in music, in writing, in science, and in philosophy exists in both males and females.


Genius does exist in both males and females. However males produce far more geniuses than women. Take any field of human endeavour such as, cooking, writing, physics, medicine, philosophy, music etc. and list the ten most outstanding practitioners of that field, and count the ration of men to women.


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ORIGINAL: strikingamatch

I belive the difference is inherent and cannot be explained by nurture. I do not believe that nature can be denied over such a huge period of time and over such broad expanses of society. I can accept that others do not agree. I simply stated my opinion.

Take the other aspects of genius that I mentioned and then apply it. What huge period of time are we talking?

But my guess is you've had this debate a lot of times before now and neither of us will be changed in the end.


Agreed.


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I am saying that women are taken advantage of, because they are weaker than men, and thus easier to take advantage of. Even when a woman does a job as well as a man or even better she will still be paid less. That is an economic reality.

Which does not equate to inherent lacking in females to males. I happen to agree that females allow themselves to be taken advantage of, but I don't think it's anything inherent to them which allows this.


We both agree that females are taken advantage of by males. That is the point I wished to make.


LadyAngelika: I am entitled to my opinions just as you are entitled to yours. I do not mock you or scorn you for your opinions. On the contrary, I am conscious that you are a person with experience and insight and I respect you for that. I would appreciate the same in return.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 12:09:51 PM   
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LadyAngelika: I am entitled to my opinions just as you are entitled to yours. I do not mock you or scorn you for your opinions. On the contrary, I am conscious that you are a person with experience and insight and I respect you for that. I would appreciate the same in return.


Your opinions are actually extremely disrespectful. But you are right, I should not bow down to your level. I'll act like the more evolved one on this thread, Em, a woman I might add, and take the high road from now on.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 12:13:37 PM   
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Genius does exist in both males and females. However males produce far more geniuses than women. Take any field of human endeavour such as, cooking, writing, physics, medicine, philosophy, music etc. and list the ten most outstanding practitioners of that field, and count the ration of men to women.

Well we can eliminate all of the accolades given where the boards that judged the winners were primarily male.

And then eliminate all the issues regarding the cultures and times when females were not allowed or encouraged to be part of those fields.

At that point, I think we'd find many female and male geniuses.


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We both agree that females are taken advantage of by males. That is the point I wished to make.

That point alone is true. WHY that happens is a very different issue. I, personally, have only been taken advantage of when I allowed it to happen.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 12:41:43 PM   
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Well we can eliminate all of the accolades given where the boards that judged the winners were primarily male.

And then eliminate all the issues regarding the cultures and times when females were not allowed or encouraged to be part of those fields.

At that point, I think we'd find many female and male geniuses.


Emerald -
Couldn't agree more.

strikingamatch-


I would also like to add, that such a statement that -


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Genius does exist in both males and females. However males produce far more geniuses than women. Take any field of human endeavour such as, cooking, writing, physics, medicine, philosophy, music etc. and list the ten most outstanding practitioners of that field, and count the ration of men to women.


- could be used against any number of difference - including race.
I am sure that you could deduct using your reasoning that all white males contain more genius than black, arab or asian - or indeed - it could be deducted, using your reasoning that - there are more successful, genius, white women than there are successful, genius, black men.

Can you recognise the inconsistancy?

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 1:43:07 PM   
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EmeraldSlave2, being that we agree on one point, perhaps it will be of benefit to discuss that which we agree on.

So my question to you is, Why do we find that women are still taken advantage of in this day and age, when culturally there can be no reason to justify discriminating against women?

dark~angel, you hit the nail on the head, and here I go about to get flamed again. I believe that different cultures have different strengths. For example, if we look in the US, black men dominate certain sports, and some genres of music, whereas white men dominate in the sciences and the like.

And if I haven't made myself clear till now, let me take this opportunity. I do not believe in equality of any sort. Men and women are different, cultures are different. Does that make men superior to women, or Asians superior to Caucausians? The answer to my mind is, no! However, each social group comes with its own unique set of strengths and weaknesses.

Some claim that those differences are intrinsic whilst others claim they are a result of upbringing. I believe that some differences are due to nature and some are due to nurture. I believe that differences between men and women are for the most part nature, whereas differences between societies are for the most part nurture.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 2:01:01 PM   
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WELL IM MAIL AND IM A GENUIS SO THE THEORY SO FAR IS 1 FOR 1.

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I simply noted that genius is limited almost exclusively to men.


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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 2:51:15 PM   
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This is an observation to the ladies at large, while trying to keep my own cool...has anyone noticed from strikingamatche's profile that he is Middle Eastern? My mother was Greek, and as such I had the opportunity to live there. The views at large over there for centuries, (and not changed yet, to my knowledge) have considered and treated women as second class citizens for centuries. while visiting a mere 15 years ago, walking down the street, a strange Greek man as I walked by reached out and smacked my end one time. Apparently he thought it was attractive to him, and therefore he was allowed to touch it, because " I was only a woman". Now, that may have been normal(and I understand although not necessarily normal, not seen as totally unheard of), but, I think that was his first run in with an American domme and I think it was probably just a little bit before he did it again. Hell, there are tavernas in Athens that still do not allow women inside. (nurture problem maybe?)

To strikingamatch: How many men have won Nobel prizes versus how many women? Since you have the knowledge, please give us the numbers. If I have to look it up, I will, but you seem to have first hand knowledge. How many prescriptions are issued to males versus females for depression and anxiety? How many male versus female convicted criminals?

There are answers to these questions somewhere I'm sure, but these are the only markers I can think of to ask you to back up your statements, and to qualify your statements you should know the answers to these.

Last question; (This will sound flamelike, but I don't know any other way to ask it) What is your IQ? Mine is in the 160's.......

Edited because the last statements were to strikingamatch, not the OP




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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 2:58:32 PM   
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dark~angel, you hit the nail on the head, and here I go about to get flamed again. I believe that different cultures have different strengths. For example, if we look in the US, black men dominate certain sports, and some genres of music, whereas white men dominate in the sciences and the like.


As for brain vs. brawn - again I disagree your reasoning. It is cultural - if black africans had half the chances that white africans had, then there would be more 'genius' black africans in many fields of study. Japanese computer technology is intricate and complete genius - but that is again - because the country has focused on nurturing such talents. In some parts of India - a matriarchal society - women are more educated than the males and are highly reveared. In russia, women have to be exceptionally strong physically and are stronger than most other european and american males. In scandinavia, women are taller than men are the tallest humans on the whole. Some attributes are genetic - but alot depends upon who is given the ability to excell in their chosen field. Doesn't mean that men are stronger persay or more clever, just that they have been given the ability to excel due to cultural, religious culture.

I would completely urge you to get out there and meet people away from your 'circle' so you can find out more about the realities of other cultures, and not just your perception.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 4:07:23 PM   
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I was raised in England. I am in Israel for work and will probably move back. So there goes that theory.

My IQ is about 136.

I do not know the precise ratio of male v. female nobel prize winners. I just know that it is wildly skewed in favour of males.

I believe women tend to take more medication than men. There are obviously more male criminals than females. Both of which points are entirely immaterial to the point I was making. (One could make a case that more medication means weaker people, but I prefer not to go down that path, as one would have to know why men and women take different amounts of medication.)

dark~angel, perhaps there are some matriarchal societies, but they are rare and far between. Women throughout history and up till today have overwhelmingly occupied inferior status. (I do NOT believe women are inferior, just weaker.)

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 4:45:56 PM   
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This topic is as old as the hills. The proverbial mind set of the world is someone is better than someone else. Be it gender, religion, race, money,jealousy, or power(control). This mind set has caused every non-accidental or illness related death since recorded time. In my opinion the truth is we all have our part to play in nature both stregnths and weakness. We all rely and depend on this balance. Here in lies the problem. People won't exist in a balance, someone always wants more (see above for more what). Perhaps the need to be right, a common enemy to hate, or fear is part of the driving factor as well. If the world as a whole does not progress from the infancy stage there will be meaningless suffering and chaos. To strickingamatch instead of seing men and women like stature can't you see us as a blend. Each complementing each other not better than or worse than. To quote a beaten man rodney king " can't we all just get along".

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/5/2005 5:16:36 PM   
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I was raised in England. I am in Israel for work and will probably move back. So there goes that theory.

My IQ is about 136.

I do not know the precise ratio of male v. female nobel prize winners. I just know that it is wildly skewed in favour of males.

I believe women tend to take more medication than men. There are obviously more male criminals than females. Both of which points are entirely immaterial to the point I was making. (One could make a case that more medication means weaker people, but I prefer not to go down that path, as one would have to know why men and women take different amounts of medication.)


I don't think it's immaterial that the ones who manage stress and anger better are more frequently incarcerated. And the question was how many more were treated for depression; there are non medicinal approaches to that also.


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(The following is a generalisation, and of course there are exceptions.)

very important observation on your part.

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I believe that women who are in touch with themselves and are aware of their limitations seek out stronger men for security and support.


I am in touch wth myself and am aware of my limitations, we all have them. I do NOT, however seek out men for security and support. I own my own business, and am the major breadwinner for two households.

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I am saying that women are taken advantage of, because they are weaker than men, and thus easier to take advantage of. Even when a woman does a job as well as a man or even better she will still be paid less. That is an economic reality


Again, see above...I make as much as my male counterparts...

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I simply noted that genius is limited almost exclusively to men.
I would like to know what you base that opinion on. Awards do not constitute genius.

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When I speak of d/s relationship I refer exclusively to male dom and female sub. I have almost no understanding of different permutations of the above dynamic.



That's the problem, I think. We are definitely looking at it from different viewpoints, and therein is where the difference lies. The ladies that are disagreeing with you on this thread are very understanding of the different permutations, that is the viewpoints we approach this from. That is why, although we may remain cordial, we will never agree, because we are different sides of the coin. I think the main problem is when generalizations are made...you will find exceptions every time.


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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/6/2005 1:54:10 AM   
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I absolutely agree with you, Dragonzaymaster. I do not believe men are better or superior than women. I believe that men and women do complement each other, and both do better when in harmony rather than in discord.

I believe that, as a gross generalisation, men are stronger than women, but that is something else entirely.

I agree with you kc692 that I am speaking in very general terms, and if you are an exception, then so be it. That does not detract from the point I was making. You feel that men and women are equally strong. I feel that all available evidence points to a different conclusion. Let us agree to disagree.

As to measure of genius. I do not know any way of measuring genius other than by accomplishments. Perhaps there is an entire tribe of unparalleled geniuses living in satin, lace and bliss in the hills of Outer Mongolia. However, I have no way of commenting on their genius, as unfortunately I am not acquainted with them. Thus, I stand by my original statement, by all available measures of genius, males outperform females.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/6/2005 6:13:28 AM   
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well; striking match has managed to attain the attention of some of the best and brightest here for quite awhile. Sort of an anti-flame..and i must say, i am impressed at his attention-seeking device.

One word to striking match before i turn my attention elsehere: the fallacy of your argument is that it assumes an entire cluster of behaviors and attributes is divided or shared between people based upon their sex, from birth. There simply is no credible empiricial evidence for this hypothesis, nor will there ever be. We now know that, apart from identical twins, everyone's DNA is different. If women do not share DNA markers (apart from those that make them develop female sexual characteristics), then how can they be herded into any meaningful group? You deny environmental factors: discrimination, male stranglehold on CEO positions of major corporations, and other obvious explanations as to why women still earn about 75 cents of every dollar a man earns for the same job. By the way; i cannot resist; your IQ is lower than mine. Great self-flame though.

Now let's pay attention to me all day. Laughs. Hummm, what subject to choose? Well, i do not believe in the death penalty because shoddy police work and bigotry followed by inept lawyering and a lack of resources to mount a meaningful defense so often lands the local dimwit on death row, though everyone -- probably including the jury -- knows he is innocent.

How do i know? i worked for the Florida Commission on Capital Cases; an agency charged with attempting to alleviate the tremendous burden on courts created by post-conviction appeals by death row inmates. As a "real" execution date approached, the district attorney, trial judge, defense attorney, victim's family -- everyone gathered in our offices. Any word from the Supreme Court or Govenor's Office was delivered to our office first. Tension was unbearable, especially for the victim's family, who had sometimes been through the experience more than two or three times, only to see the killer get a last minute stay.

As of my last legislative session with the Commission, the definition of "murder one" in Florida was being widely expanded; while "mitigating factors" was being reviewed with an eye to reducing them. Floride joined certain other states in filing amicus briefs before the United States Supreme Court as it heard arguments on the issue of execution of the mentally retarded; and lost. Florida is now attempting to evade the case law as best it can, to execute as many inmates as possible. The practice of hauling dim people before a jury and getting convictions now presents Florida with a real problem, since many inmates will qualify as "mentally retarded" and must have their sentences communted.

Incidentailly, there is no scientific evidence that the mentally retarded are much, much more likely to become homocial than the general population. It beggars the question, then, why approximately 75% of Florida's death row population has a colorable claim of retardation.

If a killer is given life without parole, the victim's family is not contacted by the victim's assistance office regularly; there is no "high and low" syndrome; they can move on and find some peace. When a death sentence is imposed, the victim's family has the issue of their loved one's death front and center for many, many years, being chewed up by a Rube Goldberg system no one really understands. Families may tell district attorneys they want the death penalty; but more often, the district attorney gauges his chances of obtaining a death sentence and thereby bolsering his chances of being reelected. Judges sit for reelection as well; i cannot rememeber a case of a judge refusing to impose death after the jury recommended it.

My own sister-in-law, a devote Catholic, sat on a death-qualified jury and voted for death, which was the sentence handed down. She is very proud she struck a blow for justice. I have never had the nerve to ask her if she has ever confesed her sin. People are so weirded-out about this subject.

I think many people have heard of the Innocence Project, which aids people on death row (or elsewise incarcerated) where DNA evidence may be available to exonerated them. As of this date, the Project has been involved in exonerating 156 people. There can be no doubt that innocent people sit on death row in states where that is the ultimate penalty. This is the fact, without more, that ought to persuade the reasonable man to revoke the death penalty.

Here are some other facts to consider:

In states with the death penalty, criminals are less inclined to leave witnesses alive and are more likely to kill police officers in an effort to evade capture.

The approximate cost of executing a death row inmate (in Florida) is apprximately $10 million. This figure is exclusive of costs incurred by courts, jails, the legislature, the Govenor's Office and the agencies established with direct or indirect responsibility death penailty administration. It most certainly does not include the state-funded post-conviction attorneys assigned to death row inmates, nor their expenses. Motion activity on behalf of death row inmates absorbs approximately 50% of the Florida Supreme Court's time; and a writ or other motion cannot be filed until lower courts have reviewed it.

Florida continues to fall lower and lower in public school funding and standards levels. It is simply insane.

We all have an evisceral reaction to a killer such as Ted Bundy (whom Florida executed). However, most homicides from which death penalties are gained are not as notorious nor as gruesome. Many are drunken brawls that ended in death -- what are called "one punch homicides". The inmates are on death row, rather than doing time for manslaughter, because the district attorney believed he had a chance to get another notch on his belt.

Not a good enough reason for someone to be killed by the state, in my opinion.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/6/2005 9:10:37 AM   
sudja


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ORIGINAL: strikingamatch


As to measure of genius. I do not know any way of measuring genius other than by accomplishments. Perhaps there is an entire tribe of unparalleled geniuses living in satin, lace and bliss in the hills of Outer Mongolia. However, I have no way of commenting on their genius, as unfortunately I am not acquainted with them. Thus, I stand by my original statement, by all available measures of genius, males outperform females.


All you continue to show with this statement is that your logic skills are lower than most men, and every woman, I know. :)

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/6/2005 9:19:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Most of the Dommes that I know are not into Female Supremacy. The ones that I am aware of that are don't consider themselves to be supreme over all men. They do however want to be supreme as the Woman in their relationship with the men that are sub/slave to them.

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More common are submissives who want a dominant who is superior to him or her, stronger, older, smarter, etc, but who don't necessarily believe that gender causes supremacy or that all dominants are superior.


Exactly Em. More often then not, I encounter male subs that believe in Female Supremacy for what I believe are the very reasons that you stated. I actually refuse to engage with a boy who does. I don't want to be up on a pedestal based on my gender.
- LA

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I actually refuse to engage with a boy who does. I don't want to be up on a pedestal based on my gender.

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that's really too bad. i am one that DOES put my Mistress on a pedestal. even my vanilla girl friends i did.
maybe this is just me here, but to see any woman in a skirt and heels is what makes me drive down to my knees. and since it is the female that normally wears the skirts and heels, i find it is only logical that i prefer females to be the dominant in the relationship, and therefore put on the pedestal.
ah well. at least my new Mistress i am talking to understands and has no issue with my pedestal.

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RE: Anyone else feel the same? - 7/6/2005 9:43:32 AM   
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I believe women tend to take more medication than men. There are obviously more male criminals than females. Both of which points are entirely immaterial to the point I was making.


I think you will find you are making assumptions.
If you care to take the time to study, you will find that this isn't the case.

I remember discussing with my doctor and a psychiatric nurse after the suicide of one of my best friends the ratio of mental illness between men and women, because I had another friend commit suicide in the exact same manner 10 years before. The nurse discussed the difference in the illness and how it manifests, but stated that statisticaly, men were more prone to depression and mental disorders than females - even with the onset of such diagnosis of post natel depression and the like. Men are also 4 times as likely to require medication than females, due to their pain barriers being lower - (go figure?)

Now, that isn't heresay, thats medical facts from medical practioners. It isn't guess work. It isn't assumption. Its documented fact(apparently)

My suggestion to you would be, whilst I can understand your desire to place items and people into boxes, you should find out documentation that backs up and supports your theory, because otherwise it is just a self assumption with no basis of fact.

My IQ is 154 - I believe.

An interesting thing I did find out whilst doing simple google searches and going to such places like the nasa, world press, and other recognised bodies, is that in the USA - male female ratio in science (physics, chemistry, and biology) was roughly 50-50 yet canada is men 2thirds to one third women and in russia women are 2 thirds to men one third... the lists go on - a simple search is all it takes. Its also worth mentioning that where women may be less in canada, the actual brightest and most gifted scientist are actually female.

It is also mentioned that in current evaluations that women in universities are now increasing and men decreasing on student bodies and this has been mentioned that women are now more empowered to step forward. The more central a university and more richer the state - the more the average grows.

Larger numbers of girls also pass their examinations with higher grades, on average than boys.

It just takes a minute to google....

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