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MasterJBK -> RE: why cheat???? (8/20/2007 12:07:54 PM)

awwww. i try not to write when emotionally unavailiable.




Redoubt -> RE: why cheat???? (8/20/2007 8:36:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44
I wouldn't say that cheating in a D/s (or M/s) relationship is any worse then cheating in a vanilla one.


MrD, I must respectfully disagree. I personally feel that in a D/s or M/s relationship, for the Dominant to cheat in this situation is far worse. If we demonstrate we can't control ourselves, what right do we have to control others.

I learned this from my vanilla relationship, which I cheated on my slave to pursue... I don't think I could put into words what shame I felt knowing that I could be honest and open with a "vanilla" partner, versus someone who depended on me.

One of the reasons I am not pursuing a D/s relationship at this time, but thats probably drama thats TMI.

But we live, we learn, we move on... at least I hope so.

I do know that failing to live up to the expectation of one who had given herself willingly to me, is a lesson I don't plan to relearn willingly again. I had cheated in prior vanilla relationships, and felt like crap about it, but seriously... there is nothing like realizing your self control is chronically flawed to skew a dominants perspective, don't recommend it.

Honesty, it's a choice that's really quite liberating... and its funny in an ironic kind of way that a vanilla relationship taught me that.

Being honest with myself is the first step, and in the past I was a cheater. Worse still, I cheated on someone who would have done pretty much anything for me... I don't like what that says about who I was. Will anyone give me a chance knowing that about me? I would hope so, but I also know that I have to fully forgive myself first.. .and I'm not there yet.

To the OP, I hope that covers my thoughts on whether it's a failing on the part of the submissive if the Master cheats.




WhiplashSmile -> RE: why cheat???? (8/20/2007 9:38:42 PM)

Both Doms and subs are prone to cheating.   Basically, though Doms try to pass it off as their Domly power and right to do so.   Well, since you have a signed contract, it's clear about what the expectations were and agreed upon.

Not all of us Doms are cheaters, you know!




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: why cheat???? (8/21/2007 7:16:29 AM)

Redoubt,

Nothing of what you said shows how cheating in a D/s relationship is worse then in a vanilla relationship. A vanilla partner can depend on you just as much as your slave/sub/puppy/rubbergirl or what-have-you will. And they (a vanilla partner)can and do give themselves willingly but with expectations that ,if you were to fail them, would be hugely disappointing. If you think otherwise you're only fooling yourself.

This idea that D/s and/or M/s relationships are these magical relationships that are somehow better then vanilla relationships is tripe. They aren't better, they're just different.

But it's good that you see the fact that you've been a slave to your libido. Maybe now you can do something about it and become a better man for it.




SirJoe1211 -> RE: why cheat???? (3/15/2009 3:43:34 AM)

Off topic: subbie4u2use: I got your email, but it does not appear you revieved any of mine. Please chek your bulk bin
Sir Joe




KMsAngel -> RE: why cheat???? (3/15/2009 4:47:33 AM)

you realise this thread is a few years old, right?




ChelseaNY -> RE: why cheat???? (3/16/2009 2:33:57 PM)

I find it amazing that someone would have the mentality of why would a Dom ask his sub to be with someone else.  Ok well maybe not amazing since it seems to be a common pattern.  To me this also translates to the thread about a Dom feeling his sub should be happy having only him while he should be able to have other subs.  If it is a monogamous relationship, no matter the dynamic, and he is with someone else then he is cheating.  These types of things need to be established in the forefront of a relationship.  A Dom would never tolerate his sub being with someone else, even if he was not able to accomodate all of her needs.  I know some Doms will respond to this about how they allow their subs to be with other women because they are men and cannot satisfy that desire, but honestly that just feeds into a mans erotic tendencies towards lesbian sex lol so does not apply.  I mean a sub being with another Dom because her original Dom has not satisfied her.




WyldHrt -> RE: why cheat???? (3/16/2009 8:58:12 PM)

Hi Chelsea
Here is a current thread on that subject:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2442362/tm.htm
As Angel said, this thread is years old.




IronBear -> RE: why cheat???? (3/17/2009 7:10:46 AM)

Ill disciplined people of all ages and orientations that have little or no self control and/or are self absorbed are prone to cheat. Well balanced responsible people with a good sense of worth, believe in honesty, integrity and honour and who also have good self control and self discipline generally are less likely to cheat.  Just my personal views with no study the support this though ergo I may be wrong which happens at times.




CreativeDominant -> RE: why cheat???? (3/17/2009 12:41:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

I would imagine it's very hard for a man, who is supposed to be in a monogamous relationship, to say "Sweetheart, I want to fuck other women, but be with you."  Maybe it's something someone with a great deal of experience in the d/s world feels comfortable with, but new dominants in particular are often plagued with thoughts of how every vanilla woman they've ever known would react.  I constantly have to remind myself that My Pet is more understanding and patient than my past vanilla relationships.

Telling a woman "I don't want to be with just you." is hard.  Most men have heard the "if you tell me about her, I'll be ok with it.."  Outside of the d/s world, I'd say 94.62% of the time it's a clever rouse that ends with castration.

He cheated, he's a spinelss dirtbag. (and it's hard to write that as someone who was once a spineless dirtbag)

Not all men cheat.  Not all dominants cheat.  My advice is to find a man who is not afraid of telling you that your dress is ugly.  I'm not saying find an asshole who will say "go change, Fatty!" but a man who is not afraid of telling you the things that a man in a vanilla relationship feels he cannot say.

"I disagree."
"No."
"I'm going to (insert place)."
"Wait here."
"I like the red one more."
"I liked your hair more when it was red."
"I don't want to do that." or "We're not going to do that."
"Wear the blue one."

You get the picture.  Why? Because this man will likely be dominant enough in his every day going-ons to have the self discipline to be honest with you concerning the harder truths. (Like "I'm going to sleep around.")

Many men will have a hankering for more. Vanilla or not, things can get boring.  A good fix for boring is a change.  Good changes are getting into new types of play.  Bad changes are cheating.  Personally, if I want to fuck another woman, I just turn My Pet into another woman.... Or sex doll... Or a puppy that one time O.o!!
I have to say that I really like what this part of Heaven Keeper's post had to say.  Let's be honest, with most women...submissive women included for as many posts have pointed out, for all our proclamations about being more open and accepting---which we can be in many ways---we are just the same as our "vanilla" counterparts...they will not hear the word "just" in the statement "I don't want to be with just you", they will hear every word but that.  That is something the dominant who wants to be with others has to face up to and figure out how, if he wants that, he is going to do it in an honest way.  For that, he will need to be dealing with a submissive who can handle dealing with the dominant honest enough to say things such as noted above in quotes.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 2:00:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subbie4u2use

i got out of a relationship with a Dom some \time ago...it was long distance and im tlaking NY to FL...i just found out that he cheated on me with another sub.  We had signed a contract and in it was that we would not play with others unless it was ok with the other party.  he knew that i was monogamous from the start and expecte dhim to tell methese things....is it a Dom tendency to cheat?? please, tell me it aint so!

Simply because they can, LD is such a difficult thing to build up, you can be as honest as you're, but it doesn't mean the other party will be that either. I've hit My head more then once, and draw a big fat line under it. Because it won't work out for Me. Seek someone who respects you, that's what you deserve, and don't ever go for anything less. Those kind, aren't worth of your time. I wish you enough.

GoddezzT`
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antipode -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 9:41:25 AM)

quote:

is it a Dom tendency to cheat


Scientifically, is it built into the human animal, for biological reasons. But if by "LD relationship" you mean online, of course everybody who wants to cheat will do so online, where it is easiest. If you try to have R/L relationships, you'll find the chances of someone cheating much reduced (though not absent!). If you're happy to have an LD relationship, you're asking for it.




kittinSol -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 9:42:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: antipode

Scientifically, is it built into the human animal, for biological reasons.



How practical.




domiguy -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 10:41:03 AM)

I wonder if this is the same subbie4u2use, she joined in Jan '09 and this thread is years old.

Anywhooo,  guys love cheating.  I have found that while one pussy is nice two is often better.  And so on.  I'm sure at some point that there is a diminishing rate of return.  Perhaps when staring down the barrel of a gun or when the numbers on your gash farm is somewhere in the hundreds.

Cheating blows.  but ya gots to be realistic.  New York pussy is nice. Unfortunately it happens to be attached to some woman that lives in New York. Therefore it is not uncommon for one to snap up some quality Chicagoan snapper while waiting for the next flight to the big apple.

Just depends on your mindset and exactly what you are willing to forfeit to make something work.




antipode -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 1:54:01 PM)

quote:

How practical


Seriously, there is a body of scientific research, much of which points in the direction that both men and women are programmed for polygamy, not for monogamy, this to ensure diversity of the gene pool. That makes perfectly good sense, but it is at the same time a very good explanation as to why monogamy is virtually non-existent in humans - i.e., why very few humans have one single mate for life. Monogamy is really only seen in very strict religious environments, where it is enforced.




ChelseaNY -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 4:04:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I wonder if this is the same subbie4u2use, she joined in Jan '09 and this thread is years old.

Anywhooo,  guys love cheating.  I have found that while one pussy is nice two is often better.  And so on.  I'm sure at some point that there is a diminishing rate of return.  Perhaps when staring down the barrel of a gun or when the numbers on your gash farm is somewhere in the hundreds.

Cheating blows.  but ya gots to be realistic.  New York pussy is nice. Unfortunately it happens to be attached to some woman that lives in New York. Therefore it is not uncommon for one to snap up some quality Chicagoan snapper while waiting for the next flight to the big apple.

Just depends on your mindset and exactly what you are willing to forfeit to make something work.


LOL Tell me have you ever watched any of the episodes of Snapped ?




BohemianGoddess -> RE: why cheat???? (3/18/2009 9:01:08 PM)

 Sorry to hear of your unfortunate experience. Both men and women cheat just as much if they are in this lifestyle or not. You are much better off without this guy. Be glad you found this out before you moved all the way to N.Y. I hope you find a Dom who lives much closer to you. The best of luck to you.




SailingBum -> RE: why cheat???? (3/19/2009 12:28:35 AM)

jules got it right.  Im thinking a half a country away is a pretty good reason to cheat....What were you thinking?

BadOne




ThomasMore -> RE: why cheat???? (3/19/2009 1:48:25 AM)

"Cheating" implies that it's all a game.  Maybe it's just a semantics dodge, but the term "unfaithful" speaks larger volumes about the matter at hand.  It implies that the other person has lost belief in the relationship - that their weakness has in fact corrupted it in a deeply relevant and decisive way.




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