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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/14/2007 10:43:17 PM   
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balls in your court, i'll let you have the last word.



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They learn under adrenalin, in stressful situations, the profound power of being able to do that.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/14/2007 11:31:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		you brought up FOREX sorta implications. so i will address them.

i day trade  Forex and i have seen what we call *BIG MONEY* move.

when i say big money, you're watching the charts and you can see *big money*  moving-  that is usually central banks moving and they are usually moving on speculation or technical charts.

yes, i will take advantage of a declining currency..

but i won't say that it is wrong to do so.

just evening the playing fields.



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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 1:37:59 AM   
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Hi EbonyFtshGoddess.... Thanks for the links. i am actually in the Uk so i am more concerned with the EU. i see the same pattern and trends though, and the erosion of democracy.
At present there is talk of an EU constitution, the French have already voted against it. The outcome is this, there has now been an agreement on a treaty, which contains much of the proposed constitution. Basically its the same thing sliding quietly through the back door. Any votes on the constitution will just get re worded and voted on again until the Government get their way.




If there is any erosion of democracy, it is caused through the inadequacies of the British democratic system and not through the EU. Your government, the one the British people voted into power, agree to the treaties they sign. They could veto anything they see as against their national interest (see the Rome treaty). The fact that they don't is because one assumes they don't see the agreements they made as being against the national interest.

There is a solution to Britain's reluctance to see themselves as Europeans and that is to vote in a government that will withdraw Britain from the EU. The truth is that if Britain withdraws it will be more reliant on its relationship with the US and the US  has already shown how much influence Britain has in Washington. Just about none. It's Britain's choice, it is Britain that wanted to be a member of the EU, the EU didn't invade Britain.

As for the 'constitutional treaty' and yes, it was a treaty and not a constitution as the British government and media would have you believe, it was a dog's breakfast because of all the compromises in it. The French voted against it for exactly the opposite reasons the Dutch voted against it, that is how coherent it was. I would have voted against it because it was all things to all men but not because it was anti-democratic. Democracy in the EU is down to the country of your residence. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Having lived in four EU countries other than the UK, the UK has the worst democracy and Brits should be looking in their own backyard for the problems of their democracy and not constantly blaming the EU for inadequacies in the British democratic system.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 2:19:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Meatclever... i kind of agree with what you are saying. My thoughts about the EU and Democracy stem from the fact that decisions are made by unelected officials. As you know there is current talk of doing away with any veto that the British may have. Blair stated in the last Labour manifesto that there would be a public vote on signing up to any constitution. As you pointed out the French and Dutch voted against it, and as i said earlier, it will just keep getting re-worded until its voted in.
Treaty, Constitution, the wording matters not when the final outcome is to take away the democratic rights of the voter.
The EU has reached a point of absurdity, when there is now a ruling that all road signs have to be a certain size within the EU. It seems a petty point for me to bring up, but it`s pettier that we are paying wages to someone sitting in Brussels making this crap up.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 5:51:16 AM   
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Meatclever... i kind of agree with what you are saying. My thoughts about the EU and Democracy stem from the fact that decisions are made by unelected officials. As you know there is current talk of doing away with any veto that the British may have. Blair stated in the last Labour manifesto that there would be a public vote on signing up to any constitution. As you pointed out the French and Dutch voted against it, and as i said earlier, it will just keep getting re-worded until its voted in.
Treaty, Constitution, the wording matters not when the final outcome is to take away the democratic rights of the voter.
The EU has reached a point of absurdity, when there is now a ruling that all road signs have to be a certain size within the EU. It seems a petty point for me to bring up, but it`s pettier that we are paying wages to someone sitting in Brussels making this crap up.


PRECISELY. unelected yet *appointed* officials that pretty much have taken rights out of the hands of the people.

it's already happening in europe.

it absolutely astounds me that we have no clue that this is happening here to us in the US.

it doesn't matter if canada and mexico will be our bitches in this endeavour or not.

this is just going to be the fate of our world.

i guess it comes down to globalization and i am not a staunch proponent of that.






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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 4:01:29 PM   
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i guess i missed that lecture.



I was complimenting you on your usage of it.

Many people do not know how to let the other person have the last word and walk away.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 5:40:04 PM   
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halliburton

>>cough<<

no bid rebuild contract.

>>cough<<

halliburton.

ahem

so what about cheney again?

and why were my slaves running hali convoys before they knew what halli was there for?  to them, they were just doing their thang to protect the US. little did they know they were risking their lives for corporate america.

riddle me that?

i mean i'm talking initial troops.. not troops now. i mean my boys and my Daddy that had no clue what they were risking their lives for.

before it turned really ugly. they were running convoys for hali before they even knew..

yes, he's Captain Corporate America.

sorry... silly me.


*edited to add*

cheney was a honcho of halliburton which in return  ot no bid contracts to rebuild iraq.

so yes, he is Captain Corporation to me. he still had  or still does have shares in a company that got NO BID contracts for repairs to Iraq that our troops initially had to run convoys..

it's ok.. i'm sure BlackWater or those other mercs run their convoys now.

halli got a no bid.. and cheney used to be a head honcho at halli and now he is the vice pres of the good ole u s of a .... i guess there is not a correlation..

silly me


Cheny provided access to his politcal contacts in the government. That doesn't make him "Captain corporate" just another politician. You can call him whatever you want I guess but I don't think that what he did was atypical of politicians.

US armed forced protected haliburton convoys because it was in our best interest to protect workers that were rebuilding infrastructure. That makes sense doesn't it?

Do you have an issue with mercenaries too? On what philosophical basis do you dislike people that fight for money?

Cheny used to be well liked in washington by both parties for the access he provided. I don't remember any articles being written about how evil he was before he became vice president. I don't know of any other people in washington being vilified for doing the exact ssame thing and you know they are out there. Hell I bet there are even people that deserve to be captain corporate...like maybe Peter Paul.


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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 9:48:21 PM   
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i guess i missed that lecture.



I was complimenting you on your usage of it.

Many people do not know how to let the other person have the last word and walk away.

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please tell me how my usage is not pertinent.

if you teach me something new, well, then so be it.




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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/15/2007 10:31:28 PM   
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That doesn't make him "Captain corporate" just another politician.



we  need another politician that can become HIGH level  gov with ties to  corporate america  and that has shares in and used to pretty much run the same company that got a no bid to rebuild a country we fucked up?  naah., he's not captain corp to me. *giggle*

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You can call him whatever you want I guess but I don't think that what he did was atypical of politicians.


atypical? no it's par for the course. it's a conflict of interest.  it should be atypical of someone that is vice pres with interests in a company he used to pretty much run..

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US armed forced protected haliburton convoys because it was in our best interest to protect workers that were rebuilding infrastructure. That makes sense doesn't it?


i'd LOVE to see what has been rebuilt? furthermore i would love to see how it was in the best interest of troops to protect something that has done pretty much nothing for the rebuild of that country. ask any iraqi what has been rebuilt? operative word being REBUILT. rebuilding things they already had before yet the US has fucked up? tell me what has rebuilt Iraq.. i mean like seriously, what has been *rebuilt* in  Iraq?.. things sorta like clean water, lights and jobs?

NAAAH the initial boys were pretty much there to run convoys that resulted in zero.

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Do you have an issue with mercenaries too? On what philosophical basis do you dislike people that fight for money?


my Daddy/Lover/Partner/Dom wants to join BW after he gets out of the Army. i  have zero issues with mercs other than the fact that they have ZERO accountability. and yes, i'm not a fan of that. guns-for-hire there or on US soil is not a big happy dance for me. yeah, they make money killing people if they want to- just don't expect me to  tapdance in happiness. at the same time not only am i a military fiancee, i am also possibly a woman waiting for a Blackwater man to come home YET again (this time just more well paid and with MORE armour)

so i have not an issue with them getting paid for warfare... i'm not keen on the fact that they are pretty much NOT accountable and are afforded immunity that is NOT covered under geneva convention.

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Cheny used to be well liked in washington by both parties for the access he provided. I don't remember any articles being written about how evil he was before he became vice president. I don't know of any other people in washington being vilified for doing the exact ssame thing and you know they are out there. Hell I bet there are even people that deserve to be captain corporate...like maybe Peter Paul.




i don't know who peter paul is.. unless you're trying to jest on the name of Ron Paul.




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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 6:28:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't been keeping track of this thread as much as I like, but EbonyFtshGoddess made a good comparison with the European Union.  I wouldn't go so far to say that individual rights in Europe are being squashed by some bureaucrats in The Hague. In fact, the European Court of Human Rights is giving people yet another forum to air grievances they may have with their governments.  I would say that the EU is not a very domcratic institution in it's own right, however, and most of the people in a position to create both positive or negative changes are appointed, not elected. 

I'd hate to see the same system introduced in North America.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for international co-operation an working diplomatically with our closest neighbours, but the more I'm reading about the SPPNA the less I'm convinced it's going to do anyone any good. 

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 6:31:07 AM   
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please tell me how my usage is not pertinent.



It was a compliment, I apologize if it sounded otherwise.

Peace out.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 7:42:55 AM   
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I would say that the EU is not a very domcratic institution in it's own right, however, and most of the people in a position to create both positive or negative changes are appointed, not elected. 



These appointed technocrats can't make decisions that are not apporoved by the democratically elected national governments. The same democratically elected governments that refuse to allow the technocrats positions be open to election because they don't want to give them legitimacy and so lose power to them.

Europeans on CM should know that and when they complain about the EU being undemocratic, it is not the EU being undemocratic but the politicians they themselves elect. British citizens sue for redress in the European courts far more than citizens of any other country which should tell my British compatriots something. The British democratic and judicial system needs democratic reform.

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I'd hate to see the same system introduced in North America.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for international co-operation an working diplomatically with our closest neighbours, but the more I'm reading about the SPPNA the less I'm convinced it's going to do anyone any good. 



The EU has created a Europe that could only have been dreamt of 60 years ago. It has helped lift millions out of poverty, and has been a force that has helped spread democratic and judicial reform across the continent. Britain despite its sour attitude won't leave because it knows a good thing when it sees it, I just think the British attitude to the EU stinks. If Britain had any integrity it would change its attitude and become a positive member or leave.

North America is not Europe and Europe's solutions won't make sense there but open borders has proved positive in Europe and I can't see why they wouldn't be positive in North America. 

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 8:30:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		First off, I'm not making any sort of indictment against the EU, and I can fully appreciate what a positive impact it as had on the continent.  However, some of the arguments of the EU overstepping it's mandates (while still few and far between) are totally legitimate.  The main complaint I hear is about political transparency.  Many people simply don't know what's going in Brussels and don't see how issues that are debated there shouldn't be a topic for the politicos in London, or Paris, or Rome respectively.

The most concerning issue with the SPPNA is also transparency.  So much policy is getting written and discussed behind closed doors - no wonder people are getting paranoid about it.

Quoting the Toronto Star:

..Why will the discussion and treaty signing take place behind closed doors?  Why have 30 corporate CEOs from these three countries (Canada, US, and Mexico) been invited to attend, while opposition members of parliament, reresentatives of organized labour, and the general public be excluded?"

Good questions that need answered, in my opinion.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 10:29:43 AM   
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we  need another politician that can become HIGH level  gov with ties to  corporate america  and that has shares in and used to pretty much run the same company that got a no bid to rebuild a country we fucked up?  naah., he's not captain corp to me. *giggle*


Like I said call him whatever you want. His providing access to corporation doesn’t make him a captain of corporations but a captain of politics. The term isn’t all that important I guess.
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atypical? no it's par for the course. it's a conflict of interest.  it should be atypical of someone that is vice pres with interests in a company he used to pretty much run..

I agree that it should be atypical but that is what seeking office is all about. If if government were to be constrained to only constitutional enumerated powers, then the people in government that lust for power would find something else to do with their time.
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i'd LOVE to see what has been rebuilt? furthermore i would love to see how it was in the best interest of troops to protect something that has done pretty much nothing for the rebuild of that country. ask any iraqi what has been rebuilt? operative word being REBUILT. rebuilding things they already had before yet the US has fucked up? tell me what has rebuilt Iraq.. i mean like seriously, what has been *rebuilt* in  Iraq?.. things sorta like clean water, lights and jobs?

Pretty much nothing? You should look into that a little more because you are displaying a shocking lack of information. I think you would be honestly surprised by how much we fixed (that we broke) and how much we put in place that was never there.(like schools so girls could actually go too) Part of me resents that our tax dollars are going to Iraq to rebuild their infrastructure when we have bridges falling down and killing people in this country but hell…can we at least get a little credit for what I think to be a waste of money?


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my Daddy/Lover/Partner/Dom wants to join BW after he gets out of the Army. i  have zero issues with mercs other than the fact that they have ZERO accountability. and yes, i'm not a fan of that. guns-for-hire there or on US soil is not a big happy dance for me. yeah, they make money killing people if they want to- just don't expect me to  tapdance in happiness. at the same time not only am i a military fiancee, i am also possibly a woman waiting for a Blackwater man to come home YET again (this time just more well paid and with MORE armour)

I’m thankful for his service. There is no shame in being a good soldier and enjoying it.

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so i have not an issue with them getting paid for warfare... i'm not keen on the fact that they are pretty much NOT accountable and are afforded immunity that is NOT covered under geneva convention.

One could make an argument that they are more accountable as they would be tried in a criminal court rather then a military court and they are not immune from lawsuit unlike the military. (generally speaking) As Blackwater was not a signatory of the Geneva accords it doesn’t seem reasonable that they abide by them. Certainly our enemy doesn’t.

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i don't know who peter paul is.. unless you're trying to jest on the name of Ron Paul.

No…while not a supporter of Ron Paul for President; I would not cast aspersions on a man that I’ve respected for years. I was referring to Peter Fredrick Paul. He is a very interesting person that has attempted to peddle influence for years with some moderate success. I will leave you to look him up if you are so inclined.


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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/16/2007 11:13:10 AM   
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..Why will the discussion and treaty signing take place behind closed doors?  Why have 30 corporate CEOs from these three countries (Canada, US, and Mexico) been invited to attend, while opposition members of parliament, reresentatives of organized labour, and the general public be excluded?"

Good questions that need answered, in my opinion.


My guess is that horse trading is not a pretty sight and no politician will want to be seen to make a compromise in public, be bullied into an agreement or any other situation that might be seen in a negative light by his/her constituency. If negotiations were carried out in public there would never be any agreements.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/17/2007 2:31:34 PM   
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One could make an argument that they are more accountable as they would be tried in a criminal court rather then a military court and they are not immune from lawsuit unlike the military. (generally speaking) As Blackwater was not a signatory of the Geneva accords it doesn’t seem reasonable that they abide by them. Certainly our enemy doesn’t.  


If the people who would be bringing suit are slighted citizens of an invaded country, than there would functionally, politically, and economically be no possible way to bring suit. Blackwater accidentally shoots your son in the head, well guess what chances are you're village probably can't raise airfair, lawyers, let alone obtain travel visa's to an American court to see justice served.

Blackwater didn't sign the Geneva Convention because it was the parctice of first world nations at the time of its inception not to use merc's. Given that their fully funded by the American tax payer as well as contracted and chartered to fullfill objectives specific to American interests, one could very easily argue that they are American forces who are thus bound by the geneva convention, and if you want to loophole their non-nation status out of it you probably could still take the constructionist argument that they would have been bound by the geneva convention had the signing nations actively stooped to the dispicable act of mercinary warfare when it was signed.

I might get into how fighting for profit pretty much evaporated any of the moral conviction and ethical reasons a nation could concievably enter into a necessary and just war for, and how simply using mercenaries who inherently lack credibility and accountability to fulfill military objectives regulates us to the status of being no better than a rouge state/paramilitary group for fighting outside the bounds of accepted warfare, but thats another issue I'm sure I would never change your mind about.

Also, we invaded Iraq because they ignored the G.C. and other international treaties.
If we turn around like you did and say 'besides, THEY dont follow it, so lets hire people who don't follow it to fight for us, too', than we had no bussiness invading them if we condone the same actions and are admitting our own guilt in employing the same tactics.

Finally, I just gotta say, im truely confused.
Do you know someone who works for Haliburton? why in the name of all thats holy would you or ANY third party defend them?

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/17/2007 3:17:01 PM   
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If the people who would be bringing suit are slighted citizens of an invaded country, than there would functionally, politically, and economically be no possible way to bring suit. Blackwater accidentally shoots your son in the head, well guess what chances are you're village probably can't raise airfair, lawyers, let alone obtain travel visa's to an American court to see justice served.

Perhaps that is the case but maybe the it's the child of a oil prince...who's to say. Blackwater's general task is to protect assets and their rules of engagement is to return fire. If we had a case study we could discuss this more conclusively but as far as I can determine Blackwater has even been accused of anything similar.

Blackwater didn't sign the Geneva Convention because it was the parctice of first world nations at the time of its inception not to use merc's. Given that their fully funded by the American tax payer as well as contracted and chartered to fullfill objectives specific to American interests, one could very easily argue that they are American forces who are thus bound by the geneva convention, and if you want to loophole their non-nation status out of it you probably could still take the constructionist argument that they would have been bound by the geneva convention had the signing nations actively stooped to the dispicable act of mercinary warfare when it was signed.

Actually you can't make a logical arguement that they are american forces. They are un-uniformed combatants by national and international law that the geneva conventions excplicitly excludes nullifying your opinion of what a constructionist view might be. What is your objection to mercenaries...why are they despicable? The first geneva accord was signed in 1863 and there were still active mercenary companies at the time...in fact as far as I can see there always has been mercs and it's likely that there always will be.

I might get into how fighting for profit pretty much evaporated any of the moral conviction and ethical reasons a nation could concievably enter into a necessary and just war for, and how simply using mercenaries who inherently lack credibility and accountability to fulfill military objectives regulates us to the status of being no better than a rouge state/paramilitary group for fighting outside the bounds of accepted warfare, but thats another issue I'm sure I would never change your mind about.

Using mercenaries has never been out of the bounds of acceptable warfare unless your idea of acceptable is kinda strange and you are right you are not likely to change my mind about it. Fighting is a job like any other and as long as you choose your employer carefully I don't think it inherently immoral. Now if you were a pacifist I might see how you would come to that conclusion. 

Also, we invaded Iraq because they ignored the G.C. and other international treaties.
If we turn around like you did and say 'besides, THEY dont follow it, so lets hire people who don't follow it to fight for us, too', than we had no bussiness invading them if we condone the same actions and are admitting our own guilt in employing the same tactics.

Huh? What international law or treaties is Blackwater breaking?


Finally, I just gotta say, im truely confused.
Do you know someone who works for Haliburton? why in the name of all thats holy would you or ANY third party defend them?


First of all you should re-read what I wrote for clarity. I was not defending Haliburton as I was unaware that they needed defending or that they had committed some egrerious wrong. As far as I can see they possibly used influence to gain a no bid contract to rebuild some infrastructure. They claim that they were the only business that had the capability to meet the needs of the scope of the job...yea I don't beleive it either, but there ya go. I was simply stating that Cheney is not the boogey man or the dark lord but a typical politician in DC.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/17/2007 5:31:54 PM   
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ok.. i sorta went slightly off topic because another poster on another thread in this same *heading* mentioned never hearing about BlackWater or Triple Canopy.

which i've known about for a while.

then it made me think.. what ELSE that our american gov is doing that is NOT known by the average american until too late?

NAFTA, Private Defense Contractors,  Foreign Currency, and  Privitization of current Public Services (healthcare, schools, social security etc) do americans TRULY know about?

i would love to make this combined with a poll.

because i have ONE question that is affecting North America as a whole..

how many of you all truthfully know what the Security and Prosperity of North America Partnership is?

i know what it is so i won't bother to even adulterate my little experiment- i won't say a word until the discussion *hopefully* takes off then i will share more about what i know.

but for now, before anyone goes to google the term. (and PLEASE DO google the term if you are unaware of it..).

but i would love to know honestly how many people were aware of this already enacted act.

i am willing to bet, the same Americans who didn't know shit about the Patriot Act and PAII before it was too late.

i'm not judging anyone, but i do wonder how indoctrinated are we in this country.. when shit that is RIGHT in front of our faces, simply isn't known by the masses.

we'd take to the streets if more knew how our rights were being effectively castrated.

that's all i'll say on this matter until i inevitably am engaged in a debate.

i do welcome debate, however, since i did initiate this  thread.. i would appreciate if ALL responses are ON topic, NOT inflammatory in terms of attacking someone elses views.

closed minds are not welcomed in this thread.  i'm not saying we have to agree, but nothing off topic.. like going from the specific topic of  "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America"

that's it.

i know of course people will google the term then reply. but i'm telling anyone that questions me on this subject now. i have and archivally researched this since the latter of 2005. i will not acknowledge  nor argue posts based on conjecture.

i am capable of providing footies (footnotes).

i suggest people that are unwilling to look this up on their own NOT come at me undocumented.

the term is here for you to search for yourself and just keep it cordial. this is one thread i do not want to become a convoluted flame war.

this is something we really need to bump heads on.

because it is all of us.. far left or far right.

(once again i'm not going to change any typos so it cannot be said that i changed my initial query)

just contexturally deduce what i'm attempting to say if you do see any typographical errors (i know how mootly typos seem to be a big ass chewing point on here).


Gawwd hon...there are so many phenomenal books...clarifying things I never grasped....and I'm old enough to have grasped....but the back story is often rich.

What else?

A lot.

Tremendous amounts.

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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/18/2007 6:47:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i guess i missed that lecture.



I was complimenting you on your usage of it.

Many people do not know how to let the other person have the last word and walk away.

Sinergy


i see your point now, i have always be a *walk away* sorta person until someone really pisses me off in real life or if i feel physically threatened. in that case, i'll tell someone where to go, how to get there, and what the fuck to do when they arrive.

i refuse to be baited on a forum.

absolutely refuse to.




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RE: The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North Am... - 8/18/2007 6:48:10 AM   
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Actually you can't make a logical arguement that they are american forces.


Actually, it is a bedrock principle of law that a person paid to act on your behalf is considered to be the same as their employer, if acting as an agent thereof.
If the police cannot shoot first and ask questions later, or kick in doors without warrants, or plant evidence, then they cannot hire private contractors to do it for them ( and it has been tried).  If the military cannot be quartered in private homes, or commit war crimes, then neither can their contract employees.

And IIRC, the Geneva Accords had specific language about those wearing any uniform, and reporting to a chain of command....  i.e. mercenaries.

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