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Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:01:59 AM   
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Something I don't typically discuss in public, but have a strong interest in, is body modification.

I love the idea of adding tattoos, a variety of piercings, firebranding, a severe (but healthy and medically safe) diet, and corset training.  Combined with a complete waredrobe overhaul, I see this as an opportunity to not only assert greater control over her life and lifestyle, but also as a means of giving her a permanent 'new look' that many women spend thousands of dollars on to try to get in a bottle, jar, or salon.  I think these sort of exterior changes, over time, would be a natural complement to the interior changes that will also be taking place.

I don't personally care to use any sort of surgery unless I feel it's absolutely necessary (i.e. breast reduction for example)  as I don't see the benefits to typically outweigh the risks.  My intentions are not for a 'temporary' change, but rather something lasting and sustainable for many decades.

I'm quite aware that most women would not find find this sort of aggressive modification to be palatable.  Thoughts?

Stepha

(p.s. yes, this is intended to be a more effective start to the 'bimbofication' thread; I'm also quite aware that it's not likely to be as popular )


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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:15:59 AM   
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i guess my only concern is do you go into a relationship looking to "fix" someone and if so what happens after they are "fixed"?
if this is just a fun hobby totally not primary, or even secondary or tertiary, not such an issue...
if you did have a desire to "fix" women like some people "fix" cars, then find some one with the intent of doing so, not stringing them along with the insinuation of a relationship, but also understanding that they may not be at you beck and call like a car in the garage...i am sure there are women out there that would love that, make appointments or something...they may not let you beat on them or fuck them, but they will let you do that...which is why i am an advocate for poly...not everyone can fill every need for every person [edited to add: i meant to say:  i don't believe one person can be everything to anyone]

good luck on finding what you're looking for
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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:17:28 AM   
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How we look and how we treat our body is a very key part of who we are and how we identify within ourselves.

Once you agree to ANY modification (and I include circumcision and wearing clothes and cutting hair in this) then it all simply becomes a matter of DEGREE and "what works for you." 

But double standards fly hard and fast.  Women talk about how much they NEED their hair cut and nails done and wear sexy corsets to go to a party, but are horrified at the idea that perhaps they should alter their breasts.  It's all just different spots on the same measure.



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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:25:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Something I don't typically discuss in public, but have a strong interest in, is body modification.

I love the idea of adding tattoos, a variety of piercings, firebranding, a severe (but healthy and medically safe) diet, and corset training.  Combined with a complete waredrobe overhaul, I see this as an opportunity to not only assert greater control over her life and lifestyle, but also as a means of giving her a permanent 'new look' that many women spend thousands of dollars on to try to get in a bottle, jar, or salon.  I think these sort of exterior changes, over time, would be a natural complement to the interior changes that will also be taking place.

I don't personally care to use any sort of surgery unless I feel it's absolutely necessary (i.e. breast reduction for example)  as I don't see the benefits to typically outweigh the risks.  My intentions are not for a 'temporary' change, but rather something lasting and sustainable for many decades.

I'm quite aware that most women would not find find this sort of aggressive modification to be palatable.  Thoughts?

Stepha

(p.s. yes, this is intended to be a more effective start to the 'bimbofication' thread; I'm also quite aware that it's not likely to be as popular )



It sounds like heaven to me. Seriously it does. Removing surgery (ew lol) it doesn't sound aggressive or over the top for me. Wearing a brand of his design is a giant YUM for me. I don't even have pierced ears hahaha but in my mind I would be utterly happy to turn my physical self over to him to do as he pleases. If he wanted me tatooed, pierced or marked in any way his.. I would be all over that idea.
The wardrobe overhaul is especially appealing because I am a terrible self-shopper & lack the knowledge of 'what looks good on me'.
Maybe not as a reality but it has long been a wish/fantasy of mine to be completely remade or decorated to his perfect ideal. That is why for me it is only fantasy, I don't think anyone really into this would be satisfied. There will always be something that can be improved or modified more.. and more.. and more.
Dang now I'm all aflutter and twitchy thinking about how delightful and wonderful it would be to completely be turned over to him. Mmmmmmmm!!!

Stephann, I am curious. Do you see this as a form of micromanagement?

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:26:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna

i guess my only concern is do you go into a relationship looking to "fix" someone and if so what happens after they are "fixed"?
if this is just a fun hobby totally not primary, or even secondary or tertiary, not such an issue...
if you did have a desire to "fix" women like some people "fix" cars, then find some one with the intent of doing so, not stringing them along with the insinuation of a relationship, but also understanding that they may not be at you beck and call like a car in the garage...i am sure there are women out there that would love that, make appointments or something...they may not let you beat on them or fuck them, but they will let you do that...which is why i am an advocate for poly...not everyone can fill every need for every person

good luck on finding what you're looking for
luna
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Hi luna, and thanks for your thoughts,

I didn't mean to suggest this would be a process that would ever 'end'; though after the first few months, the changes may be more subtle and less drastic.  Honestly, I'm not interested in 'fixing' a woman as if she's broken.  I think of it more along the lines of taking an interest in bending her more towards my tastes.

As for the poly comment, I strongly disagree; while I'm not inherently monogamous, I would prefer to find partners that very closely match my interests and desires so that I won't be so likely to approach the relationship from an a la carte perspective.  The amount of time and personal investement that relationships require, for me, take years to really settle in.  I can't see myself reaching that point if I'm trying to juggle two, three, or four partners simultaneously.

LA,

Spot on, as usual.

camille,

micromanagement?  No, I see it as plain old ordinary 'management.'  I still expect her to put her own damn socks on ;)  I'm not looking to fundametally change who she is; I would say this is actually more akin to a mild form of brainwashing though.

Stephan



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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:31:32 AM   
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The problem with you pushing these body modifications on someone is what happens after the relationship ends. And eventually it will, whether in two years or fifty. She's left with permanent changes to her body that she didn't want, that she agreed to solely because she enjoyed pleasing you. Piercings will close up if removed but tatts require expensive laser surgery that will still leave unsightly remains.

You do better to find someone who enjoys this in and of herself, not for you, and who will add tattoos or piercings because she wants it, not because you do.

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:34:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

Something I don't typically discuss in public, but have a strong interest in, is body modification.

I love the idea of adding tattoos, a variety of piercings, firebranding, a severe (but healthy and medically safe) diet, and corset training.  Combined with a complete waredrobe overhaul, I see this as an opportunity to not only assert greater control over her life and lifestyle, but also as a means of giving her a permanent 'new look' that many women spend thousands of dollars on to try to get in a bottle, jar, or salon.  I think these sort of exterior changes, over time, would be a natural complement to the interior changes that will also be taking place.

I don't personally care to use any sort of surgery unless I feel it's absolutely necessary (i.e. breast reduction for example)  as I don't see the benefits to typically outweigh the risks.  My intentions are not for a 'temporary' change, but rather something lasting and sustainable for many decades.

I'm quite aware that most women would not find find this sort of aggressive modification to be palatable.  Thoughts?



I guess my thoughts are that it seems a bit strange.  Are you saying you are going to intentionally look for a woman who is mousy, not really working what she has, and a bit overweight to transform her like those makeover shows?  There seem to be a lot of assumptions inherent in what you described: that she isn't dressed well, doesn't already have a good "look" going, and also mainly that you have a better sense of style then she would and thus your changes would actually improve how she looks.  I've seen some submissives who have their wardrobe approved by their dominant (and can't ever cut/dye/perm their hair without their oversight, etc, etc) and frankly.... I've never been impressed.

Assumptions that I think are inherent to your post aside, it just seems like an extension of body modification.  I think sometimes things that seem like a good idea in theory, aren't so wonderful in practice.  I also wonder about the longevity about such situations - I mean I do think that there is an implication that the person was chosen for their ability to have a dramatic change, which means they were selected for being in a sorry state of things.  And that seems like that epiphany/understanding would be a little bit of a... blow to a womans self esteem.

C~

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:35:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

The problem with you pushing these body modifications on someone is what happens after the relationship ends. And eventually it will, whether in two years or fifty. She's left with permanent changes to her body that she didn't want, that she agreed to solely because she enjoyed pleasing you. Piercings will close up if removed but tatts require expensive laser surgery that will still leave unsightly remains.

You do better to find someone who enjoys this in and of herself, not for you, and who will add tattoos or piercings because she wants it, not because you do.


Why do you assume they are changes she didn't want?|

Especially as I spell these expectations out clearly, in black and white, from the very beginning, I would say any regrets she may have would be no different than if she regretted the memories of any other sort of play we shared together.

At what point does the dominant have to hold back on the things they really enjoy, when the submissive is willing to meet those desires, simply because it might make her feel bad in the distant and undefined future?

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:36:50 AM   
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i think i said that wrong btw...i don't believe one person can be everything to anyone....and i agree with you there, i don't think that you should add another person to a relationship until the first two are solid...its just asking for a disaster...if you're not even out of the lust stage with your first how can you possibly build something lasting with a second...
fortunately for me Sir and j have been married for over 4 years so they are a bit past the lust stage but not so far into it that i don't feel that i can never be enough something or other...but not the point of this thread
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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:38:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

As for the poly comment, I strongly disagree; while I'm not inherently monogamous, I would prefer to find partners that very closely match my interests and desires so that I won't be so likely to approach the relationship from an a la carte perspective.  The amount of time and personal investement that relationships require, for me, take years to really settle in.  I can't see myself reaching that point if I'm trying to juggle two, three, or four partners simultaneously.



Have you ever done this successfully?  Juggled two, three, or four women over years (since you said you wanted more permenant changes that lasted over the decades) where you slowly changed their physical looks?  I don't mean the stereotypical body mods of piercings, tats, and brands - but of the other ones you talked about - weight loss, wardrobe change, corset training where the waists went in, surgery, etc.

C~


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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:38:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

I guess my thoughts are that it seems a bit strange.  Are you saying you are going to intentionally look for a woman who is mousy, not really working what she has, and a bit overweight to transform her like those makeover shows?  There seem to be a lot of assumptions inherent in what you described: that she isn't dressed well, doesn't already have a good "look" going, and also mainly that you have a better sense of style then she would and thus your changes would actually improve how she looks.  I've seen some submissives who have their wardrobe approved by their dominant (and can't ever cut/dye/perm their hair without their oversight, etc, etc) and frankly.... I've never been impressed.

Assumptions that I think are inherent to your post aside, it just seems like an extension of body modification.  I think sometimes things that seem like a good idea in theory, aren't so wonderful in practice.  I also wonder about the longevity about such situations - I mean I do think that there is an implication that the person was chosen for their ability to have a dramatic change, which means they were selected for being in a sorry state of things.  And that seems like that epiphany/understanding would be a little bit of a... blow to a womans self esteem.

C~


No question, they'll seem strange.  Most of WIITWD would seem strange to non-lifestylers, no?

I'm not suggesting that the woman would be unattractive to begin with; again, the point isn't to 'fix' her, but rather modify her to suit my own tastes.  I'm not interested in any form of 'overnight' transformation; most of the things I suggested take months and years to carry out. 

As for the longevity, that's part of why I'm making this post; I'd love to hear from others who've been down this road, both good and bad.

Regards,

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:44:19 AM   
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No question, they'll seem strange.  Most of WIITWD would seem strange to non-lifestylers, no?



It seemed strange because it reminded me of this tweeny movie I saw once years ago where these guys have a bet on whether one of them will take this mousy woman (hollywood mousy which meant brown hair and glasses) to the prom and to make her prom ready he does a makeover on her.  But the rest of your post helps clarify things, but your initial post really just did remind me of the movie.

quote:



I'm not suggesting that the woman would be unattractive to begin with; again, the point isn't to 'fix' her, but rather modify her to suit my own tastes.



quote:


As for the longevity, that's part of why I'm making this post; I'd love to hear from others who've been down this road, both good and bad.


These two sentences help clarify things for me - if you are talking about changes to suit you, as opposed to changes to physically improve her then I understand that.  The difference is that the former deals more with control while the latter is some kind of makeover "white knight" fetish.

C~


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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:46:47 AM   
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It seemed strange because it reminded me of this tweeny movie I saw once years ago where these guys have a bet on whether one of them will take this mousy woman (hollywood mousy which meant brown hair and glasses) to the prom and to make her prom ready he does a makeover on her.  But the rest of your post helps clarify things, but your initial post really just did remind me of the movie.


Ahh, She's All That.  The movie that spawned the term "pretty/ugly girl" and was spoofed multiple times about how in the movies you just have to take a girls glasses off and take her pony tail out and she'll go from ugly to beautiful.

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:48:18 AM   
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Have you ever done this successfully?  Juggled two, three, or four women over years (since you said you wanted more permenant changes that lasted over the decades) where you slowly changed their physical looks?  I don't mean the stereotypical body mods of piercings, tats, and brands - but of the other ones you talked about - weight loss, wardrobe change, corset training where the waists went in, surgery, etc.

C~



Hi C,

I think you misread me.  I was saying I haven't, and don't believe I could have juggled women that way.  I could see myself maybe doing this with two women, max, under ideal circumstances. 

And, no, I have no white knight fetish.  I'm more of a black cat to be honest

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:49:56 AM   
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Perhaps i  am a bit odd.... (okay, well i suppose that has already been prove, but anyway....) However, i not only desire a relationship like this one, but i think it shows the ultimate commitment on the part of both the Dominant and submissive... If You think about it, how much effort must a Dom put into it if He See's His sub in a way that she's not yet able to view herself... How do You think that would affect her self esteem...i can only speak for myself, and for me, i believe i would not only appreciate, love, desire, long for a relationship of this sort; i also believe it is one where i would thrive greatly.....
 
i have no idea if what i said makes any sense or not..but...Stephan, i think Your idea is awesome...

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:54:59 AM   
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I dunno that I'd agree it's "the ultimate commitment."  I'd have to say I'd see taking the subs child and raising it as their own to be a healthy productive independent adult to be a lot more worthwhile of an ultimate commitment.  But I think it's a matter of personal values.

Certainly it's a great thing to do if it works for those involved.  There's LOTs I'd choose to physically change about myself in the snap of a finger if I could- does that mean I'd be submitting to find a master who just happened to also want those same changes?  (IMO yes becaue it's about the authority, but you get my point)

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:55:01 AM   
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I am pretty sure I understand what you are describing. You aren't suggesting finding someone broken that needs repaired, you are talking about submission to the depths of body modification as the dom chooses.
I'm so not understanding some of the comments you are getting :(     I saw nothing to indicate you were talking about someone 'ugly' to redo, or forcing modification on someone not willing.
I think it is a totally awesome concept.

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 7:59:39 AM   
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Hi C,

I think you misread me.  I was saying I haven't, and don't believe I could have juggled women that way.  I could see myself maybe doing this with two women, max, under ideal circumstances. 

And, no, I have no white knight fetish.  I'm more of a black cat to be honest

Stephan



Yeah, I should really know better about trying to toss up posts in between doing work - I tend to inevitably skim, so I'm sorry about the misread. 

I didn't add, but I think it bears adding that with the clarification in your other posts I didn't think you were the latter, white knight makeover fetishist that was trying to improve on her looks but rather exerting control to make her look the way you wanted.  The reason I was initially confused about where you were coming from is that in your OP you say that you are trying to bring about a new look that women spend thousands of dollars on through a bottle, salon, etc.

C~

P.S. - Thats the movie LA! 


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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 8:09:03 AM   
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The transformation standard as far as movies /plays go is "Pigmallion".
But I don't see this as a pigmallion thing Stephan wants to "customize" a woman to suit his needs/ wants.
I don't see it as fitting the pigmallion model as the process would be consensual, and from what I can gather informed consent at that.

I also don't know where the idea jumped in that he was looking for an old beater of a car to fix up and customize, but rather that he was expecting to have to customize whatever woman came his way. I don't see the find a mousy woman and change her for fun thing so many see.
I do see this as training the body, not much different than training the mind. Why the shock?
If we accept that people can train the mind to please the D-type then why not be able to train the body?

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RE: Body Modification - 8/17/2007 8:20:44 AM   
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/shrug

tattoos and brandings I really have no issues with. With the right person, the designs could be quite beautiful

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