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AAkasha -> Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/17/2007 9:01:43 AM)

There's been a fresh round of posts asking for advice regarding how to develop a relationship with a dominant woman.  People have given a lot of advice, but I think it would be interesting to specifically hear from submissives who are currently in a longterm, successful femdom relationship.  How did you do it? How do you deal with ongoing challenges?  What are some of those challenges?

Akasha




sjacket -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/17/2007 12:30:12 PM)

I have been collared to Mistress for 2 1/2 years now.  We played together for a year before that, and knew each other thru local groups/munches for maybe a year before that.  We were "hooked up" together by a mutual friend after a disasterous year I spent with another Domme.  We started as friends who could discuss similar likes in music, movies and pain.  In the beginning I was allowed to play with others, but after a few months I didn't really have any interest in others.  There was never a formal ceremony, no announcements, no fanfare.  I just became: Hers.  I love Her like I never thought could happen. Fictional, fairytale kinda stuff.  The kind of stories I always hated 'cause they were cute and had happy endings.  Bleh. 

My challenges are probably a bit different than many others will have.  We are a poly family- Her hubby is a rope Top and he has a fem sub.  Neither the fem nor myself live with them.  Let's hear it for good gas milage!  We talk every night and try to spend at least a couple of nights a  week together.  So our challenges have some different dynamics.  Balancing schedules is often the biggest problem.  All of our opinions count, some just count a little more. 

I'm sorry if this is not terribly informative or insightful, I HATE analyzing relationships.  Particularly a working one.  If it ain't broke, don't jinx it.  Granny used to say that. 

How did I do it?  Patience and luck.  Finding your Dominant is like finding your wife- give it time and don't settle for whoever is there for the moment. "I've been looking for a domme for months now- y kant i find 1?"  Took me 45 years.  Suck it up and look for the long term. 




MisTabsDratt -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/17/2007 10:23:48 PM)

Well I've been waiting for a good thread to lose my CollarMe "cherry" on.  My Wife/Mistress has been on for quite a while, and has finally gotten me to setup a profile etc. 

Anyway, onwards to your question.  I met my wife a little over 7 years ago.  We had an interesting start.  I was running an IT (Information Technology) shop for a national financial company when she was hired on in a group that worked closely with mine.  We started going to lunch with others and quickly found a interesting chemistry developing.  Now, I knew she was seeing someone at the time, which normally would have meant hands off for me, but something just kept clicking.  After a few weeks, I asked her out.  We decided to go to an old style drive-in movie theater that was still around.  On the way there we figured we might as well hit the local grocery store and grab some munchies... We found ourselves standing in line with hand fulls of junk food.  She told me that she would bet me that she could tell me 5 things about her that would send me heading for the hills.  Now, being very well versed in all things kink at that point, (academically at least) I was pretty sure I could handle it.  Not to get too entrenched in details, but she laid out a pretty hardcore kink list... And I responded with a list that was very similar.  So the short answer is that we laid out our kinks on the first date and as luck would have it, they were close enough that neither of us ran screaming for the hills.

Ironically, we didn't get super kinky at first, I was 21 at the time and she was 30.  I had had very little experience, so we explored a lot of areas.  Eventually she left the other 2 guys she was seeing and we got more and more serious.  We moved in together and later got married in '03. 

In regards to challenges etc, they have been many and varied.  We've gone through many phases, we were pretty vanilla for a while, then slowly started incorporating more kink as time progressed.  We both had lots of hurdles to get over.  It was very hard for her to learn to accept that she enjoyed being a sadist, and that reciprocation when it came to sex was not a mandatory thing.  On my side, I had and still have difficulties trying to walk the fine line between husband and submissive.  I find myself frequently falling into a more husband type mode when we haven't had time to do much kink stuff (3 kids).  I have expectations that I shouldn't which always end up causing issues.  My wife tends to stick in the Femdom role as the default.  But for me, and I don't know if this is just a man/woman thing, but when we aren't actively doing things, I lose my sub headspace and end up just being a husband... Which doesn't work real well when your wife is still in Femdom space. 

Anyway, I think the key that have gotten us through a lot of the rough patches has been communication.  I know it probably sounds hokey, but more often than not, we get into the occasional spat and in the end, it usually just turns out that we aren't on the same page and after a discussion or two, we make some adjustments and move on with life.  I will say that it's also very much an ever evolving thing.  And thats a key aspect, the biggest issues we have are when we both figure, "Ok, we've got it worked out" and then don't talk about things for a while and one or both of us drift from where we thought we were and all hell breaks loose. 

So in short, communicate... talk... Often and extensively.  And don't assume that everything is fine just because nothing on the surface seems to have changed recently.  Check in... Make adjustments... and have a blast... :)






chiaThePet -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 12:31:57 AM)

All this time and only two replies from successful submissives.

i'd say this bodes well for the pharmaceutical makers of anti-depressants.

chia* (the pet)




sjacket -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 4:54:12 AM)

And seven replies to the thread on kinky play... 




cumulus -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 5:41:20 AM)

I think the "financial slaves" are still trying to add up the cost of defining success.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 8:05:28 AM)

Great question and I hope more male submissives respond.




AAkasha -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 9:37:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Great question and I hope more male submissives respond.


I am worried that that's it for responses.  Which would be very sad -- but perhaps telling.

I think the differences in the threads "what kink do femdoms want/need in their relationships" vs "what kinks male subs want/need in their relationships" shows a divide far greater than I had anticipated. And it leaves me wondering if women who are "kinked" just for the sake of loving their fetishes are more rare that many think.

Akasha




realtuffdom -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 11:59:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Great question and I hope more male submissives respond.


I am worried that that's it for responses.  Which would be very sad -- but perhaps telling.

I think the differences in the threads "what kink do femdoms want/need in their relationships" vs "what kinks male subs want/need in their relationships" shows a divide far greater than I had anticipated. And it leaves me wondering if women who are "kinked" just for the sake of loving their fetishes are more rare that many think.

Akasha



I don't think that's actually the problem (the divide). I think the problem is a correlated problem, which is when you asked "successful" submissive men to talk about their relationships. I think what this thread is really saying is that not a lot of submissive men have been successful, or perceive themselves to be. I personally believe there are other reasons for this, and I think I have a pretty good idea on this, but I'm just a joke dom, so it's not like I'm the greatest source for answers. Plus, you mainly wanted to hear from "successful" submissive men.

I'll go out on a limb here, even though I wasn't going to do this and state that I think the actual problem involves more "what do I REALLY want" rather than "what am I seeking". I don't think a lot of people, or even most, have a good grasp on that dichotomy.




breatheasone -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 12:25:41 PM)

I believe i know why there are so few "success" stories on this. I would be happy to tell anyone who asks in a collarme e-mail(yes i'm that afriad of the flames LOL) never the less i do believe i know why this is the case.....




TexasMaam -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 1:27:37 PM)

I hope that My manthing is having such a rewarding time being My submissive that he just doesn't have time to write. ; ) TM




MistressTaboo -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 4:09:58 PM)

The lack of replies:
I think it comes from the fact that most of the people on CollarMe are searching for someone...so if they searching then they aren't in a relationship. Had you asked the question a week earlier you wouldn't have gotten an answer from my slave. But since several of his favorite sites have become spamkings...he wanted to try being on here since I've been happy here and some of our subs have some from here...so he finaly joined...but he's not looking...I've been on here looking for a 3rd...And as a Domme I wouldn't have answered it...so there you go...

Just my two thoughts...








puppy22DBQ -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 5:39:13 PM)

Well, perhaps it is jus luck that has done this for me but I am only 22 years old and have had 3 girlfriends who all were accepting of me as a sub and, therefore, themself as a dom.  In addition, I've had a few more oppertunities spent with young women (one-night stands, if you will) in the same regard.  Most of the girls have never done anything like that before, and each girlfriend I've had has always said, "I never thought I would've liked it!" ... The girlfriends I've had that were intrested in it lasted for 3 years, 2 years, and currently, I have a had a dom/switch girlfriend for a year and a half.

Alright; on to the good stuff... advice that I'd have...
No girl likes a man they can walk all over from the start.  It doesn't make sense to say on the first night, "I love your feet, could I kiss them and serve you any way you'd like?"  Nor do women like to hand out instructions from day 1... at least in my experiences.  Therefore, you need to be confident.  Once a girl falls for you, she'll be willing to try things she might have never tried; and as a sub, it's worth doing for her pleasure!  If she's not enjoying it- then she's not enjoying it.  Take it slow.  Maybe a foot rub first or very light bondage.  Take one aspect of the bdsm at a time; never push her to do new things because then it'll just be harder to get to the next spot. 

How about this (and not to brag or anything) my girlfriend recently called her best friend while I was kissing her toes to inform her that she thought I had a foot fetish (pretending I wasn't there).  The best friend says, "Wow, that's intresting.. just make sure he doesn't spend all his time down there." 
I think this opens up my next point... most women are intrested in, at least somewhat, in what they know of BDSM lifestyle.  Not too many women mind being tied up once and then trying it out on you.  Again- take things slow and don't become obsessive!  It's hard at first sometimes, but once you work it out that you actually like being 'hurt' or whatever it is- the next step is much much easier. 
Finally, there are plently of books and stuff on the subject.  One girl who knew that I liked getting tied up thought it was pretty cool that we had our own thing... so I didn't so much as tell her that there are tons of people who like being tied up-- NEXT: at first my current girlfriend thought it was odd that I enjoyed feeling small in front of her; she and I made a night where we looked on the internet and found about 1000 sites with people with similar intrestes.  All of a sudden she was searching online to get ideas because she thought it was pretty cool. 

SO- In conclusion; if the woman has fallen for you, she'll try new things.  Start small and work slow.  Never force and never pressure.  Be sensitive and make her realize that you do enjoy it... it's a little like trying to talk a woman into buying that new car you don't have.




Rockwell -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 5:56:46 PM)

Puppy
Couldn't have said it better. You hit the nail on the head.

Me? Since I am bi, I started out with ; under men. They taught me alot. I have learned I have a deep devotion to women and thats where I am at.

TexasMaam - ;) exactly! My Lady is out of ton on business tonight..




abusablepaintoy -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 6:21:41 PM)

My guess is that the successful subs are taking care of their Mistress' needs rather than spending time on the internet.  At least that's my theory.

Other than that, i don't have much to offer.  Now, if it was what to do to sabotage a relationship, i've discovered several novel methods in that area that i am sure people have only heard two or three times instead of over and over and over (and over and over.... ad nauseum)  though i've probably tried those as well.

Still, I hope we get some more responses from subs living the good life, so maybe I can do it better this time.




puppy22DBQ -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 6:29:26 PM)

Even good subs go home from college.




puppy22DBQ -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 6:44:27 PM)

oh... and you might want to reread rule #1... Have some confidence.  If you go around saying, "Ohhhhh... poor me... I don't want to make mistakes again... " well, then you just messed up.  Even though you might be a sub that wants to feel worthless, you're still worth something, at least as a sub.  chin up and have confidence. 




Dreggas -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 6:55:21 PM)

My advice is to above all be yourself.  I met my Domme and wife on yahoo. When I contacted her I simply said "Hey what's up?" There was no pretentiousness and no pressure. Just two people talking. She prompted me for my interests and i gave them to her...all vanilla at first. Later on as things progressed we talked about our "kinks".

We met and hit it off and have been together 6 years now, married for 4. Just as with any relationship we have our ups and downs and while we are 24/7 we know that in reality we aren't always going to be at our Dommely best or our subbie best and we accept and work with each other on that.




sjacket -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/18/2007 9:40:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: puppy22DBQ

Well, perhaps it is jus luck that has done this for me but I am only 22 years old and have had 3 girlfriends who all were accepting of me as a sub and, therefore, themself as a dom.  In addition, I've had a few more oppertunities spent with young women (one-night stands, if you will) in the same regard.  Most of the girls have never done anything like that before, and each girlfriend I've had has always said, "I never thought I would've liked it!" ...
Alright; on to the good stuff... advice that I'd have...
No girl likes a man they can walk all over from the start.  It doesn't make sense to say on the first night, "I love your feet, could I kiss them and serve you any way you'd like?"  Nor do women like to hand out instructions from day 1... at least in my experiences.  Therefore, you need to be confident.  Once a girl falls for you, she'll be willing to try things she might have never tried; and as a sub, it's worth doing for her pleasure!  ...........Take one aspect of the bdsm at a time; never push her to do new things because then it'll just be harder to get to the next spot. 

How about this (and not to brag or anything) my girlfriend recently called her best friend while I was kissing her toes to inform her that she thought I had a foot fetish (pretending I wasn't there).  The best friend says, "Wow, that's intresting.. just make sure he doesn't spend all his time down there." 
... so I didn't so much as tell her that there are tons of people who like being tied up-- NEXT: at first my current girlfriend thought it was odd that I enjoyed feeling small in front of her; she and I made a night where we looked on the internet and found about 1000 sites with people with similar intrestes.  All of a sudden she was searching online to get ideas because she thought it was pretty cool. 

SO- In conclusion; if the woman has fallen for you, she'll try new things.  Start small and work slow.  Never force and never pressure.  Be sensitive and make her realize that you do enjoy it... it's a little like trying to talk a woman into buying that new car you don't have.


This entire post is about topping from the bottom, finding 'nilla girls and turning them "as a dom".  Of course.  Since he's a sub, naturally any girlfriend will be a dom [sic]. 




subrob1967 -> RE: Successful male subs: How did you do it? (8/19/2007 1:11:51 AM)

Technically I met my Dommes (yes, I live with two Dommes) at a munch, thou they were leaving just as I arrived. We actually started chatting thru the group's yahoo message board. I was being a smart ass, and Karen threatened a spanking, to which I replied, promises promises. We started formally chatting after that, and I passed Karen & Holly's tests.

They invited me to visit for a 'nilla weekend to see if we were compatible, and that "weekend" started on wednesday, & ended on monday.

Seeing how I was driving semis at the time, & they lived about two hours south of where I did, and they stopped attending munchs due to the drama queen hostess, it still surprises me that we "hooked up" three years ago.




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