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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 8:02:02 AM   
SimplyMichael


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Vegas,

You are clearly submissive to be just a very crappy one.  I might like you as a person but I would NEVER take you on as a submissive, not till YOU learned to control yourself.

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  I tried to engage him in exploring BDSM as a way to help encourage him to understand what true control is and for him to realize that a person must willingly give control to their partner, as opposed to the partner trying to wrest control or forcefully control their signigicant other.


Your brain knows you must give yourself but YOU don't.  Your pattern is the opposite, you lived a very long time with a controlling man and you hated the controlling part and fought it and you are still doing that.  Fight me and I will point the way to the door.  That isn't the same as saying you must surrender completely, it means you must TRY.  My lady is far from perfect but she TRIES to be and her progress has been AMAZING.  To give you some perspective, she is a Dominant in her own right but submits to me.


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  I don't do anything bad, I just get crabby and a little disrespectful, an experienced Dom should/would be able to recognize this and correct it or "handle me" and realize that I need his attention or help without taking it personally. What would "handling" me entail? I would hope that it would entail a open-handed bare-assed turn my bottom red spanking!


Here is how I and others here read this quote "when I feel like I need a spanking I order him to do so by being bad"  Tough shit honey, act out and you get a time out.  Spankings are for GOOD girls, not snotty little brats.

MY dominance IS A GIFT.  I rarely bestow it and ONLY on those who I choose to do so and ONLY after I have chosen to do so.  I won't "put you in your place" over coffee, I don't drag my bdsm knuckles on the ground, I am a complete gentleman...until I choose not to be.

This is why doing bdsm online sucks.  For a woman in my area, she can see me BE dominant, can judge my skills by seeing how I interact with others and so I don't have to audition for her.  You are trying to get people to audition before they have any real right to exert control and so anyone worth their salt is either going to just walk away or at least give you signals you are going to interpret as weakness. 

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 10:05:12 AM   
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Any time you get feedback from others, remember it is their perception. You should always try to suppress your immediate emotional response, consider the feedback and the source, and whether or not you believe the feedback is valid.

The fact that this dom chose to give you feedback rather than keep it to himself and just move on may mean that he felt it important enough to communicate it. The emotional response is to smile sweetly and think "Jackass, you don't know didly" because it's challenging your self image.

Not having seen how you assert yourself, I cannot give you an opinion on what it is that he saw and felt the need to comment on. But your posts are articulate and you at least appear to have an idea what you want.

I get the impression that you act up when you meet a dominant male you're attracted to, demonstrating you're a handful and testing him to see how he reacts to it. But if you have not communicated any level of submission to him, and he doesn't attempt to dominate you, who's shortcoming is that? If a dom presumes too quickly a level of submission exists when it's not there and not communicated, he's usually labelled an unrespectful jerk. (and the way I feel about, quite rightly so), but if he doesn't pick up on your needs (the ones that you may be inadvertently masking) you cross him off the list... doesn't this sound self-defeating?

I have known some submissives whose idea of a first date would be another submissives idea of a restraining order and filed charges for sexual assault. Yes, some have the fantasy that their partner will know immediately how to take and control them from the offset, and in some blessed occasions the instinct the dominant has is right... but its usually because they have picked up on something that leads them to believe that she is one of those that dreams of being taken and has the confidence to change the approach taken to be more direct. But how many submissives here have been approached by someone that has misjudged their level of interest and has presumed too much?

I can say "I am dominant" all I want, but if I go out on a first meeting with a submissive, and wait on her hand and foot, and don't exhibit any dominant behavior, should I be surprised if she is thinking "Is this guy really a confused sub?"... and if she likes me enough to ask "are you really sure you're dominant?" knowing how most people respond to such a question, I should pause and take a good hard look at whats going on... and thank the sub for having the courage to present her feedback and communicate her confusion.

juliet talks about being told to make herself more available... I'm not suggesting you go round submitting to every Tom, Dick and Harry hoping you find the right one... but if you do meet a potential partner, make sure he's aware going into the first meet that you are strong willed and a bit of a handful, and if he can't handle that side of your personality, you had best just keep it platonic. 

There are many Dominants out there who like the challenge of taming a strong-willed submissive, and many more who like a submissive that has a brain and an opinion. There are others who are just looking for a silent, warm, wet hole to fill and finally those who fit all the other colors of the rainbow in between.

Its only through honest communication, as open as is appropriate for the stage of the relationship we are in, that we can ever find a match with that which we are seeking. I believe empaths and mindreaders do exist, but I also suspect they are, almost certainly, already in a successful relationship :)

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 10:20:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Vegas,

You are clearly submissive to be just a very crappy one.  I might like you as a person but I would NEVER take you on as a submissive, not till YOU learned to control yourself.

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  I tried to engage him in exploring BDSM as a way to help encourage him to understand what true control is and for him to realize that a person must willingly give control to their partner, as opposed to the partner trying to wrest control or forcefully control their signigicant other.


Your brain knows you must give yourself but YOU don't.  Your pattern is the opposite, you lived a very long time with a controlling man and you hated the controlling part and fought it and you are still doing that.  Fight me and I will point the way to the door.  That isn't the same as saying you must surrender completely, it means you must TRY.  My lady is far from perfect but she TRIES to be and her progress has been AMAZING.  To give you some perspective, she is a Dominant in her own right but submits to me.


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  I don't do anything bad, I just get crabby and a little disrespectful, an experienced Dom should/would be able to recognize this and correct it or "handle me" and realize that I need his attention or help without taking it personally. What would "handling" me entail? I would hope that it would entail a open-handed bare-assed turn my bottom red spanking!


Here is how I and others here read this quote "when I feel like I need a spanking I order him to do so by being bad"  Tough shit honey, act out and you get a time out.  Spankings are for GOOD girls, not snotty little brats.

MY dominance IS A GIFT.  I rarely bestow it and ONLY on those who I choose to do so and ONLY after I have chosen to do so.  I won't "put you in your place" over coffee, I don't drag my bdsm knuckles on the ground, I am a complete gentleman...until I choose not to be.

This is why doing bdsm online sucks.  For a woman in my area, she can see me BE dominant, can judge my skills by seeing how I interact with others and so I don't have to audition for her.  You are trying to get people to audition before they have any real right to exert control and so anyone worth their salt is either going to just walk away or at least give you signals you are going to interpret as weakness. 


As an offshoot of this, I personally choose not to make a big deal of power differentials until I trust the person I'm doing it with really well. I think the degree to which Domination puts a person emotionally on the line in a relationship is underplayed. I can play with someone all day long, but to actually feel comfortable directing, commanding, expecting requires an amount of intimacy. Intimacy I'm never going to gain with someone who expects those things to happen without any intimacy in place.


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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 12:08:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Redoubt

Any time you get feedback from others, remember it is their perception. You should always try to suppress your immediate emotional response, consider the feedback and the source, and whether or not you believe the feedback is valid.

The fact that this dom chose to give you feedback rather than keep it to himself and just move on may mean that he felt it important enough to communicate it. The emotional response is to smile sweetly and think "Jackass, you don't know didly" because it's challenging your self image.

Not having seen how you assert yourself, I cannot give you an opinion on what it is that he saw and felt the need to comment on. But your posts are articulate and you at least appear to have an idea what you want.

I get the impression that you act up when you meet a dominant male you're attracted to, demonstrating you're a handful and testing him to see how he reacts to it. But if you have not communicated any level of submission to him, and he doesn't attempt to dominate you, who's shortcoming is that? If a dom presumes too quickly a level of submission exists when it's not there and not communicated, he's usually labelled an unrespectful jerk. (and the way I feel about, quite rightly so), but if he doesn't pick up on your needs (the ones that you may be inadvertently masking) you cross him off the list... doesn't this sound self-defeating?

I have known some submissives whose idea of a first date would be another submissives idea of a restraining order and filed charges for sexual assault. Yes, some have the fantasy that their partner will know immediately how to take and control them from the offset, and in some blessed occasions the instinct the dominant has is right... but its usually because they have picked up on something that leads them to believe that she is one of those that dreams of being taken and has the confidence to change the approach taken to be more direct. But how many submissives here have been approached by someone that has misjudged their level of interest and has presumed too much?

I can say "I am dominant" all I want, but if I go out on a first meeting with a submissive, and wait on her hand and foot, and don't exhibit any dominant behavior, should I be surprised if she is thinking "Is this guy really a confused sub?"... and if she likes me enough to ask "are you really sure you're dominant?" knowing how most people respond to such a question, I should pause and take a good hard look at whats going on... and thank the sub for having the courage to present her feedback and communicate her confusion.

juliet talks about being told to make herself more available... I'm not suggesting you go round submitting to every Tom, Dick and Harry hoping you find the right one... but if you do meet a potential partner, make sure he's aware going into the first meet that you are strong willed and a bit of a handful, and if he can't handle that side of your personality, you had best just keep it platonic. 

There are many Dominants out there who like the challenge of taming a strong-willed submissive, and many more who like a submissive that has a brain and an opinion. There are others who are just looking for a silent, warm, wet hole to fill and finally those who fit all the other colors of the rainbow in between.

Its only through honest communication, as open as is appropriate for the stage of the relationship we are in, that we can ever find a match with that which we are seeking. I believe empaths and mindreaders do exist, but I also suspect they are, almost certainly, already in a successful relationship :)




Thank you Sir for a well thought out reply. I greatly appreciate your wisdom and your valuable time to impart it, you have given me much to ponder on. I only chatted with this Dom once before meeting him, now I wish I had not been so hasty in meeting him face to face before we got the chance to know each other a little better online (my inexperience shines through!) If I had encouraged him to know me and vice versa online perhaps things would have progressed differently. I am a vivacious and exuberant person, gung ho to be the first to do something that sounds safe and interesting and perhaps I was a little too hasty...to be fair...he did ask me if I would like to chat more on the IM but I was so attracted to this gentleman that I was impatient to see if we might clique and progress. He is by no means the first Dom that I have interacted with on here, but HE was the first I was actually interested in getting to know more intimately and see where it might lead. I in no way blame this gentleman for the blunder of that meeting, my personality and zest to explore can be overwhelming and even intimidating to some people at times. After meeting with this gentleman in a public place and talking for a couple of hours my initial reaction was that I thought him intelligent and wanted to progress to spend some time getting to know him better. When we were chatting on the IM, he asked me if I would do something to show my willingness to submit to another person, I trusted him and agreed that I would do as he asked, which by the way I thought quite reasonable (I am a practical person). Before I acquiesced to him he stated that he would actually check to see if I had conformed to his request during the meeting.

I did conform and he did check and I thought he was pleased. Although, I did question him as to how long it would be healthy or safe to restrict blood flow the way I was doing as it had been a hour since doing so, I conveyed to him that I was way beyond numb and in intense pain in fact I was in so much pain that I was sweating profusely and fidgeting in my seat, nor could I focus or concentrate on his end of the conversation as my complete attention was elsewhere. He suggested I could take care of it in the restroom or I could wait until he finished his drink, he was clearly testing me. I demurred and said that I would wait so that he may indeed check. I do admit that I didn't make it to the end of the drink. Some ten mintues later I disgraced myself and begged him to please consider leniency, I was to the breaking point and desperately felt the need to violently scratch the offending pain from my chest, in public no less!

During our meeting I reiterated that I am looking for a Dom that I can get to know on a deeper level than just play. I conveyed to him some of my recent experiences with online dating and my dis-satisfaction with the results, ie...that i'm looking for something more fulfilling than mere sex or just play, that I'm looking for an experienced Dom that can be my mentor, friend and casual lover, and that if it did perchance progress to something more meaningful I would not run from it. I also explained to him that I have a voracious sex drive and that I absolutely love to give oral sex, I am an empathic person and I sensed my exuberance and excitement to get to know him better might have been intimidating him. Generally, I am more standoffish and practical when meeting people, but I was extremely attracted to this man.

I stated that I would be amenable to getting to know him better and thought chatting online more would be a great idea and see where it progresses to (I thought it would also be a way for me to cool my heels and not do anything rash because of my raging hormones towards this gentleman.) He agreed and left. The next day I sent him a thank you e-mail expressing my enjoyment meeting him and the exquisite pleasure/pain that he gave me. He replied back and while the e-mail was flattering and gracious - whether out of politeness or sincerity, I know not...reading between the lines I had been declined.

I am disappointed...but I believe in fate and what is supposed to be...will be, and what is not is best accepted and a learning experience.


< Message edited by vegas0623 -- 8/18/2007 12:30:39 PM >

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 1:08:10 PM   
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Vegas, this is a great thread thanks for sharing it with us.
Okay, I re-read the above thread, I think this was a case of just
moving to fast, way to soon.

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 1:59:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyIce

Vegas, this is a great thread thanks for sharing it with us.
I am a bit confused, are you saying that you "played" with him, the
first time you met him?


I would not go so far as to say we played. He simply tested my willingness to submit by requiring me to aquiesce to a request he made of me.

Another words...he asked me to willingly inflict pain upon myself and to expose myself to a complete stranger (himself) to see if I was truly willing to submit myself to someone.

His instruction was that I was to restrict bloodflow to my nipples with the use of small rubber bands. Before I agreed he made it clear to me that he would check to verify that I had willingly followed his instructions. By stating the latter he gave me the opportunity to decline if I was not comfortable.

After talking for a while, we walked to a semi-public place, where at that time I was able to quickly allow him to view my subjugation in a fairly safe environment for me and yet not be in direct in view of other people (which by the way was a limit of mine - public play that is, I felt it was an additional way of showing him that I would willingly submit to him). I exposed my chest, he nodded, made a positive comment about following his instructions and the pain I must be in and he stated that I may remove the bands now. I asked if he would remove them as I have long fingernails and as difficult as it was getting the bands on with my nails, it would be excruciating fumbling to try and remove them quickly as they were swollen. He did so effeciently, briskly and politely.

That was the extent of our physical interaction, other than later telling me to kiss him before he departed.

I understood his request for a kiss. Obviously, he wished to kiss me, but more so...I think he wanted to know whether or not I was attracted to him and turned on.

Please understand that I'm not accustomed to being this bold, in fact most of my life I've been pretty shy and reticient, so I also wanted to see if I had the courage to follow thru.

The restraints also had another effect, whether intended or not I'm unsure , but the remainder of the night I physically felt and thought of HIM which was a total distraction at work and HE knew that I was going to work after our meeting. The man definitely had my attention!

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 2:08:32 PM   
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vegas- you sound beautiful to me inside and out, if there is any question about the "past" interfering with the "present", I say move on and try not to complicate things.  Embrace today and the future!  Good luck!

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 2:11:17 PM   
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vegas you sound like a gem.
He did not deserve you at all.
Happy hunting for some one more deserving of you.

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 2:25:53 PM   
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I think how your going about finding a Dom is perfect. And as far as anyone being able to read if you are a switch first meeting, over dinner, well I feel there is no way anyone could.
Being assertive and strong doesmt mean you are not a sub, in fact thats some of the traits of the best subs I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
You arent sub to anyone until there is an agreement, until that time just be yourself and if that means you are assertive and outspoken so be it. If the Dom you are meeting cant handle that then its probably not going to be a match.
just be yourself and enjoy will you look for the right one.

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 2:28:08 PM   
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I agree with PAcpllooking.
Just get to know them a bit better next time.
You will be fine.

 

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 4:55:48 PM   
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My pleasure to be of such meagre assistance. You'd be surprised though, how often one's interpretation of a subtext that is not there can ruin a good thing.

I'd advise following up with the gentleman until you are sure he is not interested.

The worst thing that can happen is that he will confirm your suspicion.

Be well and happy :)

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 6:01:38 PM   
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Well in essence he is correct.  You do have traits to both.  Have you ever Domed a women?  It might be an interesting experience.  But on the other hand you have yet to find the Master to conquer your soul - yes physical domination is easy, but only a true Master can conquer the soul....

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 6:20:30 PM   
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I've never Dommed a woman. In fact, I'm not sure that I could or even how to go about it, even if I had a woman to play with as I rarely think of women in that context.

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 9:55:35 PM   
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I can say "I am dominant" all I want, but if I go out on a first meeting with a submissive, and wait on her hand and foot, and don't exhibit any dominant behavior, should I be surprised if she is thinking "Is this guy really a confused sub?"... and if she likes me enough to ask "are you really sure you're dominant?" knowing how most people respond to such a question, I should pause and take a good hard look at whats going on... and thank the sub for having the courage to present her feedback and communicate her confusion.

Exactly what is dominant behavior?

Because frankly if someone comes up to me and says "Are you really a dominant?" that just means to me that they've filled their heads with stereotypes, generalities and all sorts of fantasy ideas and really have no clue what they are talking about- they are projecting THEIR fantasy ideals onto me.

And I'm more than ok with disappointing them by being just plain little darling me.

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RE: Confused - 8/18/2007 11:41:28 PM   
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So I am opinionated, many of us are. And throughout my life I have learned to express opinions within a hierarchical structure.   I wanted a guy who was used to leading leaders in a hierarchical structure.  In the end that was the experience I really desired and he could never have used the title "dominant" and been really good at leading and inspiring me.   I don't downplay myself.  And I am not everyone's cup of tea.   And in the end, Daddy knows that I surrender to him from an opinionated place of strength and confidence.   Actively.  Engagingly.  Cause I want to.  Not even cause it's my nature cause it isn't.  But cause I want to.  And he's good with that.  And we are good with each other. 

But along the way I found many who were not compatible.

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RE: Confused - 8/19/2007 3:21:32 AM   
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I think part of what is happening is that you need a very strong and self assured dominant to get to the place mentally where you want to be. I have run into subs on more then one occasion who will push the Dominant they are meeting just to make sure he has the backbone to control them properly.

Obviously I dont know you that well, but it would seem to me that you fit this catagory, your asertive, and push to make sure that when you finally do find a Dominant he is strong enough to satisfy you.

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RE: Confused - 8/19/2007 7:54:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Redoubt
I can say "I am dominant" all I want, but if I go out on a first meeting with a submissive, and wait on her hand and foot, and don't exhibit any dominant behavior, should I be surprised if she is thinking "Is this guy really a confused sub?"... and if she likes me enough to ask "are you really sure you're dominant?" knowing how most people respond to such a question, I should pause and take a good hard look at whats going on... and thank the sub for having the courage to present her feedback and communicate her confusion.

Exactly what is dominant behavior?


I read this yesterday and was wondering the exact same thing, especially after thinking about my Lord's behavior on the first day we met face to face.

I think many might describe it as waiting on me hand and foot for a couple of hours.  He took my bags, held my hand, pulled out my chair, opened doors for me, helped me in his car, closed the car door and quite a few other things.  However, there was no question in my mind that he was/is dominant.  He was doing exactly what he wanted to do at that moment.  I would hate to think that he had to behave in a way he didn't want just to prove to someone else that he is dominant, not that that is likely to happen with him  *g*

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RE: Confused - 8/19/2007 2:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Redoubt
I can say "I am dominant" all I want, but if I go out on a first meeting with a submissive, and wait on her hand and foot, and don't exhibit any dominant behavior, should I be surprised if she is thinking "Is this guy really a confused sub?"... and if she likes me enough to ask "are you really sure you're dominant?" knowing how most people respond to such a question, I should pause and take a good hard look at whats going on... and thank the sub for having the courage to present her feedback and communicate her confusion.

Exactly what is dominant behavior?


I read this yesterday and was wondering the exact same thing, especially after thinking about my Lord's behavior on the first day we met face to face.

I think many might describe it as waiting on me hand and foot for a couple of hours.  He took my bags, held my hand, pulled out my chair, opened doors for me, helped me in his car, closed the car door and quite a few other things.  However, there was no question in my mind that he was/is dominant.  He was doing exactly what he wanted to do at that moment.  I would hate to think that he had to behave in a way he didn't want just to prove to someone else that he is dominant, not that that is likely to happen with him  *g*

Knight's Kyra


Good questions, and valid response from both of you...

I'm sure the exact definition and perception would strongly vary from individual to individual. One of the points I was trying to make all along.

Kyra, I would certainly not confuse gallantry and gentlemanly behavior for a subservient demeanour... I always open doors for ladies, it's predominantly upbringing but I happen to also enjoy being the gentleman who holds open doors for strangers.

I'd define dominant behavior as exhibiting confidence, self assuredness and providing a sense of direction and purpose, in short, a leader... not a dictator, but someone you'd follow because they inspire your belief that they have a plan to reach a goal that you consider worth coming along for.

So having said that, how would you both define dominant and, while we're at it, submissive behavior?


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RE: Confused - 8/19/2007 2:39:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Redoubt
I'd define dominant behavior as exhibiting confidence, self assuredness and providing a sense of direction and purpose, in short, a leader... not a dictator, but someone you'd follow because they inspire your belief that they have a plan to reach a goal that you consider worth coming along for.


This accurately describes some submissives that I know and much of it describes me.  I am very good at leading when I decide to do it.  It just doesn't fulfill me and it drains me of energy. 

quote:

So having said that, how would you both define dominant and, while we're at it, submissive behavior?


I do not view particular behaviors as either dominant or submissive when talking about people.  I think the motivation behind the behavior will determine if it is a dominant or submissive act. 

My motivation is to submit to his will.  When I go to work and manage my department I am doing his will and submiting.  His motivation is to do his will; no matter what behavior he exhibits, he is doing his will. 

Behaviors are not key indicators of submission or dominance; the motivation behind those behaviors demonstrate dominance or submission.

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RE: Confused - 8/19/2007 3:07:01 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
I think many might describe it as waiting on me hand and foot for a couple of hours.  He took my bags, held my hand, pulled out my chair, opened doors for me, helped me in his car, closed the car door and quite a few other things.  However, there was no question in my mind that he was/is dominant.  He was doing exactly what he wanted to do at that moment.  I would hate to think that he had to behave in a way he didn't want just to prove to someone else that he is dominant, not that that is likely to happen with him

Amen, Kyra.  This describes my Master as well.  He did it in the beginning and He continues to do it.  It is absolutely understood that I do not enter or exit a vehicle or building without Him first opening and then closing the door for me.  He was raised to do so and it gives Him pleasure to do so.  Who am I (or who is anyone else) to tell Him not to because it just doesn't look "domly" enough.

It was recently discussed on another thread about whether or not dominants should "go down on" their female slaves.  This is one of His greatest pleasures and He does it often.  Not as a way to "serve" me but as a way to delight in what He owns.  I could make a long list of things He enjoys doing that others much less secure in their Mastery would never "stoop" to do.  Much like your master, He is confident and secure in who and what He is and just does whatever pleases Him at any given time regardless of what others think about it.  Aren't we so fortunate?...............luci

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