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Musicmystery -> The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 2:59:01 PM)

Someone recently started a discussion thread on another site, asking for each user’s favorite word, remarking that as writers, we should have some insight. People posted many interesting choices, but my initial thought is also my final response: the.

What word could prove more useful? Want to mark any word of your choice as a noun? The. Sure, other words can do this, but most are limited in their capabilities. Demonstrative adjectives (that, this, those, these, and other such words) can do this, as can count words (numbers and relative quantity indicators), but these are subject to external circumstances. A and an can mark nouns too, of course, but they’re constantly jockeying for position, always looking over their shoulders for what vowels or consonants might be following—let alone possible exceptions. Even then, their indications are indefinite. Adjectives, with or without additional modification from adverbs, just steer information obliquely. The, however, knows its own mind. This is definitely that. It’s THE noun, not a suggestion or a possibility. The is the anchor in an uncertain world.

That uncertainty is the root of my least favorite word, usually applied in the phrase “in conclusion.” I forbid using this marker in my classes, arguing that such a flagged conclusion can’t be leading up to much. Mindful of this rule, one of my poetry students. a college senior, submitted his final paper with his final paragraph beginning “to conclude.”

Yeah, that’s better. Why not just write, “So where’s my paper leading? To what final point? Final argument? Well, no point, really, so let me just repeat the stuff I already said.” Twenty-five words instead of two! That’s gotta help meet the minimum length. It would at least be more honest and more entertaining, if still pathetically weak in content.

So “conclude” becomes a sorry attempt to “occlude,” merely to include what the student should preclude, clearly choosing to exclude more effective approaches, preferring to seclude any real thinking process, clearly not at all clude in.

This decision mirrors the one to baulk against concision, circumventing precision by changing expletive openers like “it is” and “there are” to “it’s” and “there’re” rather than exercising incision in favor of much more definite subjects and verbs. Such an inclination to decline more effective approaches in order to recline will ultimately leave the student facing quite an incline, but this seems systemic in his native Incline Nation.

I do try to intercede, as I want students to succeed, but when they proceed to embrace approaches that precede college level writing, they prevent any hope to exceed grade school competence, and I can only concede.

The student’s stated goal, incidentally, was “to just earn a C.” Mission accomplished.




CuriousLord -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 3:12:45 PM)

A paper that's a parody of itself?  Now that's just hot.




Durus -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 3:13:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Someone recently started a discussion thread on another site, asking for each user’s favorite word, remarking that as writers, we should have some insight. People posted many interesting choices, but my initial thought is also my final response: the.

What word could prove more useful? Want to mark any word of your choice as a noun? The. Sure, other words can do this, but most are limited in their capabilities. Demonstrative adjectives (that, this, those, these, and other such words) can do this, as can count words (numbers and relative quantity indicators), but these are subject to external circumstances. A and an can mark nouns too, of course, but they’re constantly jockeying for position, always looking over their shoulders for what vowels or consonants might be following—let alone possible exceptions. Even then, their indications are indefinite. Adjectives, with or without additional modification from adverbs, just steer information obliquely. The, however, knows its own mind. This is definitely that. It’s THE noun, not a suggestion or a possibility. The is the anchor in an uncertain world.

That uncertainty is the root of my least favorite word, usually applied in the phrase “in conclusion.” I forbid using this marker in my classes, arguing that such a flagged conclusion can’t be leading up to much. Mindful of this rule, one of my poetry students. a college senior, submitted his final paper with his final paragraph beginning “to conclude.”

Yeah, that’s better. Why not just write, “So where’s my paper leading? To what final point? Final argument? Well, no point, really, so let me just repeat the stuff I already said.” Twenty-five words instead of two! That’s gotta help meet the minimum length. It would at least be more honest and more entertaining, if still pathetically weak in content.

So “conclude” becomes a sorry attempt to “occlude,” merely to include what the student should preclude, clearly choosing to exclude more effective approaches, preferring to seclude any real thinking process, clearly not at all clude in.

This decision mirrors the one to baulk against concision, circumventing precision by changing expletive openers like “it is” and “there are” to “it’s” and “there’re” rather than exercising incision in favor of much more definite subjects and verbs. Such an inclination to decline more effective approaches in order to recline will ultimately leave the student facing quite an incline, but this seems systemic in his native Incline Nation.

I do try to intercede, as I want students to succeed, but when they proceed to embrace approaches that precede college level writing, they prevent any hope to exceed grade school competence, and I can only concede.



What exactly do you teach?




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 3:24:48 PM)

my alcohol soaked brain preceeds me, but there is a word that means exactly that;  the closing of a speech ---starts with a p, I believe.....why not say it, if that is what it is?

In conclusion, and not a summation of my ideas; my favorite word is  'velleity'  since I encounter it so often in media res.

Ron




Politesub53 -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 3:33:11 PM)

If a flagged conclusion can`t be leading up to much why not simply write " THE end " ?

That way you kill two birds with one stone !

[;)]




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 3:40:27 PM)

Senza una finis?




Musicmystery -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 4:48:58 PM)

Durus,

Well, I did mention that he was a poetry student...

But I primarily teach professional writing.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 4:51:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

my alcohol soaked brain preceeds me, but there is a word that means exactly that;  the closing of a speech ---starts with a p, I believe.....why not say it, if that is what it is?

In conclusion, and not a summation of my ideas; my favorite word is  'velleity'  since I encounter it so often in media res.

Ron



Hey Ron,

I think the word you're looking for is "post lewd."

C'est fini.

A bientot,

Tim




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 4:54:42 PM)

non!  but I will be sober by monday and either posthumously or personally let you know what I had posited,  post haste.

Perseus




FullCircle -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 5:15:17 PM)

In conclusion I don’t know what any of you are on about above me.

Aim
Hypothesis
Method
Results
Conclusions

Aim: What you are setting out to ascertain.
Hypothesis: What you believe to be true and why.
Method: The procedure you will use to prove or disprove your Hypothesis
Results: The results obtained from carrying out the method stated above
Conclusions: What the results say about your hypothesis, what shortfalls and inaccuracies did you discover in your method, how your method could be improved upon for more accurate results.


That’s what I was always taught at school that a paper should follow the AHMRC rule.






Musicmystery -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 5:58:23 PM)

Indeed, here we go full circle! :-)

Your outline above precludes simply repeating the main points. That was the point.

But while we're on it, I'd certainly hate to open a magazine and read "In this article I will..."

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Something to chew on--

http://writingtrue.blogspot.com/2007/07/lies-your-writing-teacher-told-you.html

Enjoy!




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 6:07:51 PM)

Wel, I am a strongly opinionated man, and english teachers whatever their background, as living and breathing purveyors of spoken and written word----


hey you all are gilding lillies, and while I know that is not what Shakespeare said, there are a hell of a lot of words spoken today, and ; concepts that are promulgated every single day that came not from the mouth of Shakespeare, but it is; time to time; satisfying to bask in the  utter  depravity of a well turned phrase, somewhich like a lizard  slothing  on a rock in the summer sun.

Selah!

LOL

Words are going to be used as tools, some screwdrivers as pliers and so on, like slaves, that is live!!!!!!!!!!!




Musicmystery -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 6:09:53 PM)

Word!

Sort of...




shyinini -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 6:27:32 PM)

the power of words !!  I was introduced to Don Miguel Ruiz by a gal here on CM.....altho she is no longer here (it became apparent to me she really didnt adhere to the 4 agreements, but probably thought it was titalizing to put such powerful words on her profile) they made a profound impact on me and I picked up his book at an airport ... its a great book.
 
"Your word can create the most beautiful dream, or your word can
> destroy everything around you. Impeccability of the word only creates
> beauty, love and heaven on earth".
>
> Don Miguel Ruiz in the Four Agreements




I dont often choose my words well...especially in a place like this...I tend to react more.  But when I do write my own stuff, I am very aware of words and their power and meaning.
Sir is writing a murder mystery, with bsdm undertones, and his words cast incredible power to the plot.  When he begins to revise it.... it will be still more powerful.
 
My blogspot, altho private, is just that ~ provactive and my deepest thoughts..... words I am unwilling to share with anyone but my Sir at times.  I dont seem able to come to that....but knowing someone supurfulously (sp) is not the same as knowing them.
 
Responsiblity ....to take ones own is the most powerful of actions in regards to one word.
 
Sir's girl




sophia37 -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 6:50:44 PM)

I think I have two favorite words. Uh and Huh. I think these two words cover just about anything. Plus they can be used alone or separately.
Need to quitely get out of something? Look preoccupied and utter...uh.
Need to be supportive? Theres the postive sounding Uh huh. 
Feel the urge for some cynicism? Use the roll of the eyes and the words uh huh.
Stymied at the thought? Huh? will do just fine.   
Ah yes, Huh and uh. Couldnt get thru a day without them.
xo Soph




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 6:58:03 PM)

LOL
maybe someone will grab up a dictionary, maybe not, but words should move...without so much  attenuation to  what the  normal 5th form site visitor understands, but with an eye towards a precis in our speech that promulgates the idea that we are trying to get across, now, I can't be guilty that someone finds my words unseemly for wont of their usage, the words are familiar to me.

We live, and while we do, we should speak what we mean, each to the best of their ability.  It is not such a burden to understand a dictionary or the base of our words, because; they are few. 




Marc2b -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 7:03:17 PM)

My favorite word is: discombobulated.




Durus -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 7:13:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
But I primarily teach professional writing.


That reminds me...I'm not going to any more writing clinics.




popeye1250 -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 7:46:46 PM)

I had an English Professor in college who used to say; "why use a paragraph when a sentance will do?"




mnottertail -> RE: The Best and Worst of Words (8/18/2007 7:49:36 PM)

This brings to the fore the difference (perhaps without distinction) between the word sentance and sentence.

I haven't a great deal to offer in the positve to this issue.

Discuss.

Ron






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