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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 11:24:53 AM   
NoirUMC


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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 11:35:38 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		It is absolutely certain that socio economic background does NOT predict innate intelligence, what it does predict is the likelyhood of advancement thru' the educational system.

What "bugs" me is how basic but very important skills are so lowly regarded. I mean people like bricklayers carpenters electricians plasterers etc.
I like watching those home managed DIY programmes that are broadcast a lot and it always amuses me to see an "administrative professional" start his renovation brimming with confidence and then have to use his verbal skills to rationalise his failures and the  need to employ real professionals.
A few are honest and admit that  the work  requires more skill than they had been "conditioned" to expect.
Some do amazingly well, especially in their conception of what it is in the final build that they want.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 11:38:47 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		I come from a blue collar background.
I'm retired military so I'm financially independant.
Made a few good investments so I'm probably "above average" financially.
I think that with all this "outsourcing" and "global economy" stuff that "educated" is the new "blue collar."
Everytime they ship 100,000 blue collar jobs overseas 40,000 white collar jobs go with them.
Managment, accounting, legal, engineering, technical, secretarial jobs are also lost.
In this area we have a lot of waitresses with degrees.
And as everyone knows Starbucks has the highest educated workforce in it's "industry."
This "global economy" may be good for big corporations but it's not good for The People.
As Ross Perot said; "it's a race to the bottom."
Our next President needs to be getting us out of things like Nafta, Gatt, and trade with China.
All of that stuff only benefits an ever smaller group of people.
And if we (don't) get out of those things then at some point we'll have another Depression ala 1929.
As for collarme.com pretty much everyone in here is literate with a few exceptions.
I think the OP's belief that everyone in here is "blue collar" isn't even close to being true.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 1:50:04 PM   
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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:10:57 PM   
philosophy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave


What "bugs" me is how basic but very important skills are so lowly regarded. I mean people like bricklayers carpenters electricians plasterers etc.


...a rare occasion when i agree with Seeks. i worked in an office once and was a union rep. A cleaner once said to me that she was 'just a cleaner'. i retorted that she was more important than the highest bureaucrat. The desk jockey could (and did) take many days off and their absence was barely noted. If the cleaners take a day off everyone notices.
In my opinion we need both crafts and arts. It's no use having an architect if you can't find a brickie.......and vice versa.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:30:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NoirUMC

I have a doctorate in Modern Monarchy and Despotism.



Nothing cooler than a Dom looking to establish a dictatorship on the strength of his academic qualifications.

Where DID you get that PhD? I want in.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:38:53 PM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		CM members are office workers in mid-level management positions because they log in during working hours and use the computers. They are mid-level because the high-level people are actually out playing golf and not logging in to CM and they are not low-level because the low-level folks are actually doing all the work and don't have time to log in. If they were blue collar, they'd be in the field without access to computers and if they were retail, they'd be serving their customers and not have time to log in.

Lots of them are IT people because otherwise they'd all be fired for logging into CM from work.  They are college educated otherwise they couldn't have gotten those IT jobs which allow them to log into CM from work and not get fired.

I don't believe all the CM members are literate but I don't have the time to pull the threads to provide the proof. ::chuckles::


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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:39:17 PM   
NoirUMC


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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:41:26 PM   
kittinSol


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

CM members are office workers in mid-level management positions because they log in during working hours and use the computers. They are mid-level because the high-level people are actually out playing golf and not logging in to CM and they are not low-level because the low-level folks are actually doing all the work and don't have time to log in. If they were blue collar, they'd be in the field without access to computers and if they were retail, they'd be serving their customers and not have time to log in.

Lots of them are IT people because otherwise they'd all be fired for logging into CM from work.  They are college educated otherwise they couldn't have gotten those IT jobs which allow them to log into CM from work and not get fired.

I don't believe all the CM members are literate but I don't have the time to pull the threads to provide the proof. ::chuckles::


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An absolutely brilliant analysis! Even though it doesn't apply to me . But pertinent is the word that springs to mind.

Ever thought of doing detective work, Bita :-) ?

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 3:43:09 PM   
kittinSol


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ORIGINAL: NoirUMC

Bought it in an Acme catalogue.


Awwwww! Way to fuck, man... I'm way disappointed... it goes against my moral beliefs to buy stuff from ACME. Man!

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 5:30:16 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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Status: offline 		What BitaTruble writes was probably true up through the year 2000, after that date less so. At the present, computer and internet access is *almost* as ubiquitous as the telephone. And for those that don't have or even want their own stuff, most libraries can provide computers and internet access.

If people want access, it's available.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 9:43:21 PM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		I'm not collared, blue or otherwise, currently have a High School education and have less than $50 cash to my name.
 
I plan on staying in college forever ... I'm pretty good at it, enjoy it a lot, and hate work. Some day, down the road, I'll marry the first rich old guy that will allow me to drink myself to happiness every night. He will then be allowed to sweat all over me, while I pass out.
 
I'm your typical American, female burden on society ... and damn proud of it.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 9:49:08 PM   
Sub03


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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 9:58:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

CM members are office workers in mid-level management positions because they log in during working hours and use the computers....

...They are college educated otherwise they couldn't have gotten those IT jobs which allow them to log into CM from work and not get fired.

Celeste - tic


Or they are the homeless people clogging up all the computers at the public library every day...

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 10:06:55 PM   
FullfigRIMaam


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Status: offline 		I have a Bachelor of Sciences degree, and have been making solid middle class income for many years now, but grew up sort of believing money is the root of all evil, so didn't have respect for or care about it much until more recently....  As I have new responsibilities, and am thinking of the future, I suspect I will do a lot better with money from here forward.   M

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/21/2007 10:57:52 PM   
slaveboyforyou


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Status: offline 		I came from a upper-middle class background.  My father had a college degree, he was the first in his family to have one.  My mother stayed home.  We lived in a nice house, and I went to the more affluent school district in town.  I went to college when I turned 18, but I didn't do much academically for 4 years while I was there.  I drank a lot of beer, smoked a lot of pot, and chased girls.  I changed majors constantly, and I had no idea what I wanted to do.  Needless to say I dropped out, and spent several years working in crappy, unsatisfying jobs.  I worked in restaurants, billboard posting, sales, and as a laborer.  A few of those jobs paid pretty well, but I hated doing them.   

I decided to go back to college in my mid 20's, because I thought it was a waste to not do anything with all the hours I had accumulated.  I went back with the intention of getting a education degree.  I had enough of that nonsense after one semester, so I switched to what I had the most hours in.  I double majored in history and criminal justice.  I got the degree fairly quickly the second time around.  I haven't entered a field remotely related to what I got my degree in.  But I am glad I got the degree.  I work at a decent job.  I don't love it, but I do okay.  

I don't judge people on their educational background, nor do I judge someone by the job they do.  I don't categorize people into blue-collar or white collar.  Intelligence, class, grace, wisdom, etc are not traits that you can buy or gain by attending a institution.  Despite what people say, college is not hard.  All you have to do is show up to class and do the work.  You will get a degree with a good GPA if you do those two things.        

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/22/2007 4:20:15 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Only arskin'

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/22/2007 5:57:02 AM   
came4U


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Status: offline 		I wish I was wayyy younger so I could be First Lady of such third world country that NoirUMC, I ain't got nuffin better to do.

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/22/2007 10:27:01 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		came4U: I demand a translation, NOW. OK?
I've decided to start being mean, being nice is getting me nowhere lol

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RE: Economics/Education and CM Members - 8/22/2007 11:12:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt mean's going to work for you either, being a man/visual and all.   There are few things less attractive than an old man who hasn't learned to be a gentleman yet.   Kicking the new cutie on the boards with petty english lessons is probably going to get stones thrown at yah, but I could be wrong....   M

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