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Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 12:08:25 AM   
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ok... my master and i have been together for a lil over 2 years now and i've noticed that we don't really play much any more. I mean we do some light play once and a while but its not very... how can i put it... "organized" or "deep".
grr... what i mean is, its more like kink then play; almost like an after thought.

what my question is: am i toping from the bottem for asking for more of the things we used 2 do and things we talked about trying, then what i'm actually getting. my Master says im trying 2 get him to do what i want, when i want, but it dosen't feel like that cuz everything ive asked for were the same things he wsnted 2 try. and i do wait for ,sometimes months, for a promised scene. i just feel like ... i dunno like hes not really into "hurting" me like he used 2.

anyway, would love to know if im "T from the B"
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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 12:17:07 AM   
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Requesting something to help you feel an intimate connection and which feeds your needs is not topping from the bottom. You need to sit down and have a frank discussion with him about your desires. You can let him know that the superficial stuff is fine but you need the deeper impact play as well. Waiting for many months is allowing you to starve. If you starve long enough, you die. It's as simple as that and it's that simple to let him know. How he chooses to handle the situation is up to him and if you're not fed by his choices, then you have to make some choices of your own.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 12:19:45 AM   
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Whether you are topping from the bottom should be the least of your worries. Waiting months to be used? At twenty years old, why are you wasting your time? I think The Fat Lady sang a long time ago.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 12:39:26 AM   
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how can i tell him with out it be comming a fight like it usually does?

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 12:53:01 AM   
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If it usually turns into a fight, then both of you need to learn the art of communication...
 
She said, He heard is going on here.... (She said, "You look handsome tonight, dear."  He heard, "I just bought something REALLY expensive.")
 
i doubt that he is actually willing to listen... but... if he is...
 
say something like... "i love when You do A, B, and C.... it really sets the mood for X, Y, and Z... however, for some reason, XYZ never happens. Is there something done on BOTH our parts to see that both our needs are met during a scene?"
 
if he hears "YOU never" or "Why can't YOU" then, in his mind, all he is hearing is a criticism.
 
Now with that said, if He's not willing to try. Look for what you want and need. Do NOT settle for anything less. If you've given everything and all he does is take and not appreciate, then walk away and chalk it up to a learning and growth experience.


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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 3:54:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

Whether you are topping from the bottom should be the least of your worries. Waiting months to be used? At twenty years old, why are you wasting your time? I think The Fat Lady sang a long time ago.

Nods in agreement....
 
To the OP,
 
I spose technically you are but I don't see it as your fault.  What seems to be lacking in your relationship is there's now very little topping from the *top* and you're reacting to the void - needs are not being met.
 
Assuming he's otherwise fit, healthy and energetic etc, I'd suspect you've been dudded by yet another "dom" who thinks it's all about kink.  And kink is like fashion; it has a limited life span before it's tiring or tedious and ultimately more like a chore. 
 
You can try talking to him but I suspect he's done all his talking 2 years ago - when it was new and exciting to him.  He sounds like a nilla who gave something a try and has moved on.  What you need is a Dom with an inbuilt need to control and use you - unless you're also content to just be fuck buddies etc....  The fighting suggests you're probably not and I think you have a life decision pending.  Good luck.
 
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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 4:04:16 AM   
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>>>fast reply<<<

I have to agree with what has already been posted.

I personally, don't feel that there is anything wrong with letting your partner know that your needs aren't being met.  I think that all relationships should be mutually fulfilling........ and you obviously aren't being fulfilled.

And yes, if it seems to always turn into a fight, you should re-evaluate your situation and possibly make some serious changes.

Good luck to you~~~

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 4:26:17 AM   
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You are 20 now. been collared for 2 1/2 years,,  (you were, 18 of course ). I take it this the only BDSM relationship you have been in so far.

I thought it was old folks like me who turn 40 and get turned in for two 20 year olds.

Sorry to hear this is happening.  You could try a serious sit down talk. Request an open and free discussion time and lay it all out on the table.  As said above, don't use the "you" statements (You never, You did, You use to, You don't, You ....)  but try to focus on yourself and your needs.. ( I feel... I would like ... I need...)  Also have some suggesting ready on how to resolve the issues.

I also agree that you are too young to be waiting months for use or play. but only you can decide how long is too long.

Topping from the bottom is not about communication but more about manipulation tactics.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 4:48:49 AM   
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Can  you give us an example of how you might approach him to ask for more?

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 6:47:55 AM   
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i agree with everything said...as my slave sister is forever telling me, its not what you say, its how you say it...if its all in i statements and he still gets offended and fights...theres a bigger problem than not playing...

playing is sexual for us, sex is a basic need for human beings durring certain years of life, this is well within those years for you...don't let your needs not be met for fear of being not anything enough...

good luck

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 6:54:24 AM   
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Verbalizing your feelings about something that bothers your isn't topping from the bottom. I would just explain to him that you have some concerns about your relationship and need to talk about these things. If he isn't open to hearing these things then you have a different problem. If your unhappy and he doesn't listen or care I personally couldn't stay where someone didn't want to listen to how I feel.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 7:22:57 AM   
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A) No, it's not topping from the bottom.  Generally, that's a problem when you are being manipulative and disrespectful of his preferences and priorities.  I don't see evidence of either.

B) It sounds like you guys have compatibility AND communication issues.  I'm afraid that your first tactic blowing up (likely due to frustration and insecurities on all sides) has led to your second tactic of just avoiding the problem, and that has led you down here.  It's time for the "I feel like a key part of what our relationship is based on is missing.  I feel lacking and unfulfilled without regular play and hard usage.  How do you feel about it?"  This is the HARD part of that whole honest and open communication deal everyone's so keen on.

Ultimately, the desires outcome is for you both to decide on ACTIONS that you will take on and change in the coming months.  You both should be held accountable for them- and remember, if they don't work, you can always change them to something else!  Sometimes if nothing seems to be working, just doing ANYTHING different can help open doors.

But until you get past that communication/problem solving road block, well this relationship won't be moving anywhere.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 9:42:42 AM   
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To me, communicating one's need to one's partner is not topping from the bottom. It rather falls in the category of .... ... well..... communicating one's needs to one's partner. 

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 10:37:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVHsWolfpup

how can i tell him with out it be comming a fight like it usually does?


Frankly, if he doesn't wish to play or use you, any approach you take will probably trigger a fight.  It's his way of avoiding the issue, and especially by placing the 'blame' squarely on your shoulders.  Guilt is a motherfucker.

Only you can decide how important this issue is.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 11:13:39 AM   
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Letting him know that you sense something is wrong in the relationship and that you feel less than fulfilled is not wrong. It should be a requirement of a relationship as complex and as dynamic as D/s.
He has to know what you are feeling in order to be the master he needs to be for both of you. Every conversation we have has a big "how are you feeling emotionally" segment that helps us both stay in tune and close.
Just remember to be respectful and make it about something positive you enjoy and need, not a complaint about the past. You are a parner in this, if you can't work it out, it is over.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 1:24:06 PM   
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Add another ditto from the peanut gallery.

No, you are not topping from the bottom by expressing your concerns. It sounds to me like the passion is waning a bit from your relationship and things are becoming a bit stale. The two of you should probably sit down and communicate more openly with eachother, and see what you both can do to more adequately meet eachother's needs.

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/22/2007 4:11:45 PM   
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Does not matter if you feel you are trying to top from the bottom or not.

I can't speak for other Domly Dom's but whenever I feel or have the preception that a submissive is trying to Top me from the bottom.   I will make her aware of what she is doing (top from the bottom), then want to get into the reasons why.

Basically, this sends a clear message that something just ain't right to us Doms.  What you are going through is perfectly natural and normal, that is if you ask me.

It's not like you are trying to gain power or control over your Dom, now are you?  Hahahah..   Basically, I would not view or look at this as a Topping from the Bottom situation going on.   Some people will or do though, it's all a matter of perspective or point of view.

Basically, since your Dom has not been playing with you and using you, in a sense he is loosing control over you, or will be if this continues.   Many people talk in terms of submission as if it were some form of Never Ending, Never Dieing Love and Devotion.   Sure, it great to have and hold onto romantic dreams and aspirations.   However, these romantic ideals don't always work out in reality.

What's the point to a BDSM lifestyle relationship when you actually are not doing very much BDSM.   Basically, how different is your relationship compared to a sexless vanilla one?  

There may be problems or issues that need to addressed to fix things between you two.  Basically you and him have to be able to deal with the root causes of the problem.   While I do not know for certain, how you describe this is, you have expressed this several times now.  He listens and nothing changes.   It sounds like you are starting to get frustrated.   You have reached a point, where if you keep pressing this issue, you know you will be coming off pushy about it.   You perhaps feel a little resentment for being in a situation where you feel you are at risk of being a pushy submissive.   Hence, your strong connection to this being a "topping from the bottom" issue.

At times, people won't bother trying to fix a problem unless push does come to shove.  It sounds like you sitting in silence won't fix or change a damn thing.  It also sounds like you have tried talking to him about this already, and nothing has changed.    It's sounds like you are reaching a point where you will be speaking your mind, but you are at risk of not being so polite and respectful about it when you do.   Sure, It's understandable you don't want to come off like a bitch from Hell.   You don't want to come off asserting your wants or needs over whatever personal he has in using you.    Look at this way. Basically it's coming down to this...  your burning desire to live the BDSM lifestyle VS. his emotional, mental, physical issues in having a BDSM lifestyle with you.  

Face it, if you don't have much of a BDSM lifestyle together, why worry about issues such as topping from the bottom anymore?   There is a problem that is standing in the way of having a BDSM lifestyle together.  This is a core issue, not a matter of topping from the bottom over what Movie to see, or TV to watch, or what to eat for Dinner.   It's not like you are trying to take control over the relationship either.  

Basically, you are wanting to take control of the problem.   A problem that is supposed to be something for him to take control of.  Simply saying Yup there's a problem and doing nothing about it, does not make the problem go away. 

I can understand your frustration, would not suprise me one bit you are start to feel a somewhat building resentment either.  After all, you being placed in a position of having to be the one to deal with the problem now.

I really don't know your whole situation or history.  I'm just tossing out some thoughts I have regarding the things you expressed in your post.

You could simply request to have a "Vanilla style" conversation for the sake of talking about the problem.  Basically, this temporary leveling of the playing field for communication to happen.   This you two can talk without trying to both adhere to any set protocals in place.   There are times, when people get to wrapped up in protocal bullshit that they can't see past their own nose, to save their life.   Again, is simply a suggestion, for you to ask or request for a "Vanilla style" sit down talk, afterwards resume the D/s roles. Some Doms allow this, other do not.  Again, different strokes for different folks.

Another thing to perhaps try, is sit down and write out a letter to him.  Explain your thoughts and feelings, that this is becoming more than you can take.  That it's not your intention to try to top from the bottom.   Explain to him the challenges and issues you are dealing with now.  If anything, the excerise of writting a letter helps you organize your own thoughts, feeling and concerns better.  Take you time, and make certain you cover and say everything you need say.   Most importantly don't forget the good things you have to say as well.   Some people sit down and write a letter with a completely negative focus.  This is not good.  Remember you are trying to fix a problem, not beat somebody up.  You need to express the wonderful reasons why you value him and the relationship.   You also need to express the problems that are threatening it as well.

Hope this was of some help.  Again, this is the advice I can give you based on the things you shared.













   

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RE: Am I trying to top from the bottom? - 8/23/2007 7:10:46 AM   
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If you can't say it to him (which shows the relationship is in trouble anyway), then write it down.  Make it non-accusatory and calm.

And check to see if he's cheating on you.  Or maybe he's just lost the interest in BDSM - can you live without it?

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