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strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and femal... - 8/22/2007 8:02:19 AM   
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I posted this in a thread on Mistress thread "eyes bigger than butthole" but think it might be better here as a separate thread.

Ya know - I just don't get the obsession with male subs of strap on dildo size and being gang banged.  I know a kink is not exactly logical but seems different for men than for women. Yeah there is some sweeping generaliztion going on here - set me straight if your experience is different.

So the fella that I play with is so eager to take a larger dildo that he was a sore puppy after the weekend.  I mean if you are getting a tight full sensation why do you need to go bigger?  My slut says its a guy thing - always want the biggest and most/more of everything.  That whole arh arh arh dog noise thing that yall seem to think is cute.

Which leads to the other common male strap on fantasy of being gang banged.  Guys - if you can give me a little insight as to the attraction I'd appreciate it.  And I am willing to bet that few if any fellas have actually experienced a strap on gang bang. If you have - did it live up to the fantasy?  I am doubtful. But, I have a hard time with this concept altogether - keep picturing that scene from Last Exit to Brooklyn which was anything but sexy to me. 

And it seems to me that a fellas desire for strap-on gangbang and a woman's desire for rape or gangbang scene is motivated quite differently.  All insight and opinion welcomed.

Oh yeah - the other thing my slut said this weekend is that for guys, cumming is cumming and it is all awesome - one orgasm's not any better than the other - this followed a discussion of g-spot versus clitoral orgasm for women.  But I hear from some guys that an orgasm was soooo intense ...blah blah blah..... which to me would mean some are better or more satisfying than others???

So, if one is as good as another - why the need to go bigger and push the the fantasy further to a gang bang...then a gangbang on the side of the road.....then.....??? 

Or is the cum always greener on the other side of the hill?   hmmm? curious and ruminating.....

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 8:44:06 AM   
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i had a response, but i was distracted by the deafening sound of zippers
being ripped open world-wide as the boys stretched their imaginations.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 8:46:30 AM   
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I think I know too many women who love really big cocks/dildos and enjoying them in gang bang scenarios to give good perspective.



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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 8:55:32 AM   
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I think I know too many women who love really big cocks/dildos and enjoying them in gang bang scenarios to give good perspective.




well, one thing's for sure, they're not in Columbus, GA...LOL


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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 9:12:53 AM   
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And it seems to me that a fellas desire for strap-on gangbang and a woman's desire for rape or gangbang scene is motivated quite differently.  All insight and opinion welcomed.


I would have thought that everyone's motivation for wanting a gangbang would be slightly different.

And personally, I would not have equated a gangbang with a rape fantasy.  They're very different things in my mind.  Just as a gang rape scene would again be different.

During the scenes as well, I feel different.  There are different emotional responses even though, yes, physically, pretty much the same thing might be going on.  But the different headspace colours the physical sensations.

Maybe I'm speaking gibberish.  And I've not answered the question from a male perspective, sorry 'bout that.

Ivy

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 9:33:39 AM   
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Too Ivy: No your response is helpful. I was hoping women subs would weigh in. And I was thinking a gangbang was always a rape - so that alone offers some education.  And I can fathom the mental versus physical stimulation. Thanks - not gibberish at all.

Too Chia: Sassy fella and by far one of my favorite morsels on Collarme. 
So too salacious? Think I should've toned it down? Well, post and learn. Once you've zipped back up (assuming you were one of the worldwide masses - see eyes rolling) try to recall your first response for me, if you will?


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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 10:11:42 AM   
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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 10:21:34 AM   
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Well, that's what I was thinking too.

Btw pete, intense pict ya got there - your grey hair and shiny bare skin lit up by the sun and bluegrass. 

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 10:28:07 AM   
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Personally, I don't "get" the gang bang fantasy by men or women (a case of "YKINMYK" I suppose).  I prefer the shared intimacy of strap-on play with my Mistress.  To me, it's a very loving and intimate act that also empowers her and allows me to be erotically stimulated in an area in which I'm very responsive.  It allows me to be very uninhibited; responding to the sensations she's providing to my body.  I can be her total slut, which pushes both her buttons and mine.
 
As to male ejaculations being all the same, in my experience that's total rubbish.  The intensity varies greatly for me depending on the emotions involved and the amount of build-up to the release.  The stronger the emotions at the time, and the more teasing that may have occured or eroticism which might have been involved during the acts which led up to it, the stronger the sensation is likely to be which I'll feel during an orgasm. 
 
Perhaps I'm different than the majority of other men.  I don't really know as it's not something I find myself comparing notes about.  I can only say that an emotional connection is very important to me in order to have a very strong orgasm with a woman.  Without the connection, I can't really enjoy myself to the fullest.  The stronger the emotional connection in general, the more pleasure I'm likely to experience.  I'll also say that I don't need to have an ejaculation in order to have a wonderful and enjoyable experience with a woman.  For me, it's the process that counts, not the end results.  If one only focuses on having an orgasm, I think they miss out on 99% of the fun, which to me, is really sad when you pause to think about it.
 
Just my 2 cents for the day...
 
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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 11:12:26 AM   
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Well, from a female submissive point of view, gang bangs can be pretty hot. The night I curled up in fetal position because I'd cum so much that I was in tears, but after a moment of being held by my Master I willingly opened myself up to more; the times during that night I looked up and see my Master brushing my hair from my eyes, making sure everyone did what they were supposed to do and nothing more, the same night that my Master had to help me to the car because I was so dazed from subspace that I didn't  really comprehend where I was anymore other than in his arms, was the night I figured out that it sure wasn't rape, and no matter who else was there, it was very definitely intimate.

I can't answer to the bigger/better dildo.

juliet

edited so that I spoke about my experiences rather than what other people would/should/could feel.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 1:09:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ocilla

Too Chia: Sassy fella and by far one of my favorite morsels on Collarme. 
So too salacious? Think I should've toned it down? Well, post and learn. Once you've zipped back up (assuming you were one of the worldwide masses - see eyes rolling) try to recall your first response for me, if you will?



Ms ocilla,

Sassy eh, i like that, though i shall try to be a bit more serious here.
(note i did say try) 

Masturbate? moi? i'll just say my right arm is wayyyyyyyyyy bigger
than my left, but i don't want Your eyes to roll completely out of their
sockets so enough about that. (though the posts here really don't effect
me "that" way i must say, i'm more the visual kind of kinkster)

Well, here it is, i'm a virgin to the whole (pun intended) strapon/gangbang
experience per say. (i heard that and i know who you are) There have
been a couple of attempts by Dominant, ahem, men to take me this way,
but either they, or i, or the bungling combination of both, simply didn't
lead to a satisfactory conclusion. The relationships with Dominant Women
in my past didn't include the use of a strapon, though one used to threaten
to "ram" my innocence out of the top of my head on occasion. She simply
never produced more than an authoritative stance on that one.

i've attented group gatherings in the past, but they were pretty vanilla in
nature, strictly heterosexual, and it was the Women whom were the focus
of the attention. i found such sexually satisfying, but i could not be my
complete self in these situations, as the moment didn't allow for such.
(submissively speaking) 

i'm an oral submissive, and bi, so i tend to rather enjoy the larger scale
appendages for this certain activity. There have been some though, which
i would have scoffed at even the thought of introducing to other areas
of my body. Some things we know instinctively. It will suffice to say that
at this point in my experience, i am simply a fingerpuppet of sorts. Though
i do have the desire to expand (pun intended) my sexual horizons. i do
not however harbor great fantasies of being taken by a roomful of plastic,
or otherwise penises (penises? peni? pencils? yeah that's it)  However, i
do often ponder being the morsel on the hors d'oeuvres platter to a friendly
gathering of Dominants, just not simply to have my cherry divided up
amongst them. There is so much more than strapon surrender, though
this could be included. It would have to be a gathering of people i was
familiar with however, i'm just not into the stranger danger issues out
there these days. Such thoughts don't really occupy my mind much
however, i'm more into the personal touch of a one on one. Call me
old fashion, just don't call me old. i suppose my fantasies are mild
compared to some, if not most, but then again, i'll never tell all here.

i think for many, it "is" simply fantasy, and if placed in the reality of
it, they would tuck tail and run. Not that there are such fellows
here at the lovely collarme hive by any means, why there just
couldn't be, could there? All in all, i can only speak from my point
of "inexperience" in relation to the subject, and my lack of
enthusiasm to be the recipient of an all out strapon gangbang.

As for orgasm, each is as unique as the experience leading to it.
A little finger play in the back yard has led to some intense
releases, but there has also been occasion when such play
has almost hindered a release, depending on application.
If there are specific acts which float one's boat i suppose,
then these would lead to a more intense orgasm i presume.
i find the longer the play is extended, the orgasm is often
more the "worlds collide" rush of release.

But then there are those whom you just want to cover
their mouths and admonish them to "hold it down"
so the neighbors don't call the police. i think we all
know one of those, ah, ahh, ahhh, ahhhh, ahhhhh,
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I'M CUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMING!!!

SLAP, for the love of God put a lid on it will ya. 

Well that's it for me, a virgin to some things, a slut to others.
Fantasies which run mild to wild, no real connection here.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 1:56:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
penises (penises? peni? pencils? yeah that's it) 

With much authority I pronounce that it is penisi.
I know cause I took Latin in the 9th grade from Coach Hogan and got an A.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 2:12:31 PM   
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To be honest, the whole strap on thing does nothing for me and a gang bang of such nature does even less. The woman who eventually became my Mistress some years ago was actually training me in anal play, and she continued even though she knew I was really not that much into it. For her, it was less about the strap on/anal play thing as it was control and enforcing that control. So, I'm still really on the fence about it today, and the only reason is that she was THAT special that I don't think anyone else could have ever really pulled that off with the same results.

There are a few boards where I post where it seems that because something is the fantasy of a vocal group of guys, that somehow I have to be into it as well. On one board, the whole piss and scat play has overwhelmed the boards, and I'm constantly on the defensive because the piss and defication crowd is so in control there; it's like I can't even state I don't have any desire for it without sounding like some kind of freak. I'll let that one mull over in your minds for awhile.

I'm now noticing the same thing with anal play. It's not my thing, but there have been a few times where I feel like I have to be on the defensive because it's not. And I really don't think the majority of submissive men are into it because I think what we're seeing is a lot of vocal submissives who are into it, while the ones who are not are slowly just melting away from sites that make it out to be a required activity.


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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 2:25:34 PM   
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Great responses and thanks Pixel, juliet, and my sassy chia.

Pixel and Chia - the emotional and personal connection matchs up  - very validating as my slut is a play partner only and so our emotional connection is not that deep and I am finding that an issue for this kind of play for me.  And as to the intensity of male orgasms - also validating...my slut was just blowing smoke I think.  I've witnessed different levels of O's from men before including him so don't know why I even considered buying that one.  And as to the O tease and deny leading to more "worlds colliding" experience, well, of course, good reminder, yes, one of the most fun aspects of chastity play.  I think my slut and I are gona have to call it quits soon as there is just not enough charge and emotional connection and D/s there to warrant much more. 

pixel - I have to say, you and your Mistress are an inspiration to me.  I really appreciate all the honesty and vulnerability and genuine affection for your lady that you bring to boards.  Very helpful to someone in my early phase of exploration.

chia, As to your being a virgin - now that prospect is a total turn on - kind of made me go all gooey for a moment. whew.  You already had me paying attention, now I want me some chia.  So much fun the idea of cavorting about with you that way.  But I kind of suspect that you would fun to cavort with regardless of the activity.  Here chia chia chia.....crooks finger and coos devilishly.... ;-) ya big tease.

The image of a roomful of random plastic penisi on random folks - shaking head in dismay - just could not get into that at all.  And one of the more odd experiences about the whole strapon part is that IT IS PLASTIC!  It may have a certain look - but unless there is some charged personal dynamic going on - for me - on my end of the strap - I don't find it particularly hot as there is no sensation in a plastic appendage.  I know, may seem obvious...

juliet - last but not least - your experience harkens to Story of O.  Thank you for sharing your revelations.  Eye opening to say the least.


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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 2:42:34 PM   
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Ahh littlesarbonn the original super sub, cia secret agent, celebrated auteur and REALTUFFDOM - RAM tuff:   :-)  Wow, I am feeling so honored by yall lovely subs, from whom I have already learned so much,  for visting my 2nd ever OP and giving such thoughtful answers.

Very good to know to be aware that it is a hot trend at the moment  - kind of like chicks kissing in bars, the whole lesbian obsession, m2f anal of years past.  I think you are on to something with that. 

As for scat play - that's what composting toilets are for, they're very environmental (waterless and produce useful fertilizer) and with time and carbon the humanure "cooks out" so there are less possible pathogens present. I am proud to say that I actually have specked composting toilets in several class A office buildings :-).  Anyway, Just my opinion but I bet that this too shall pass - he he - "pass", get it. Okay - the scat humor can be kind of fun. 

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 2:49:50 PM   
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As far as size goes, going bigger and bigger is something I do like to do.  For me, it's not really a guy thing, as much as just testing my limits - to see how deep I can take it and how wide I can stretch to take the width.  Even though I can get a nice, tight feeling from something normal, I just want to see how much more I can take.  Since I'm also a pain slut, the larger and larger strap-ons/dildos are going to hurt, and that is something I like.  So the pain is wonderful, and when you add that with being able to just stretch a little further each time, that's great for me.

I did do the strap-on gangbang once, although it was probably more of a mini, as it was with three women.  I can't say it exactly lived up to the fantasy, and that was mostly because of how much pain I was in.  Because there were three of them, the pounding was just relentless.  When one would get tired, they just moved to my mouth and another took over.  If it was just one woman, I'd get a break, but with multiples, I didn't get a break.

In addition to the pain, I was so sore I couldn't walk or sit when it was done, it took longer than normal for the stretching to reduce, and I was torn and bleeding a little.  That wasn't too bad actually - it was the pain and soreness that was the worst.  It took days to recover from it.  I couldn't really complain because I asked for it, but I guess I wasn't totally expecting it to be that abusive on my anus and rectum.  I don't believe I would do it again, although maybe if they weren't quite as rough as they were that time I would do it again.

But there is most definitely a difference in orgasms.  I have the most intense orgasms from anal play and stimulation.  They are full-body, shaking orgasms and I've come close to passing out a few times from them.  I don't come anywhere close to that through masturbation or "normal" sex.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 5:25:53 PM   
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quote:

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Ahh littlesarbonn the original super sub, cia secret agent, celebrated auteur and REALTUFFDOM - RAM tuff:   :-) 


Wow, I can tell I'm being complicated when someone uses words too complicated for little me to understand. :)

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ORIGINAL: ocilla

Very good to know to be aware that it is a hot trend at the moment  - kind of like chicks kissing in bars, the whole lesbian obsession, m2f anal of years past.  I think you are on to something with that. 



Wait! Tell me more about this "chicks kissing in bars" thing! Man, I hate that I live such a sheltered life here in the convent.

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 5:41:00 PM   
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Too Ivy: No your response is helpful. I was hoping women subs would weigh in. And I was thinking a gangbang was always a rape - so that alone offers some education.  And I can fathom the mental versus physical stimulation. Thanks - not gibberish at all.

Ah, no.  I really like groups/gangbangs.  I don't like rape play/scenes.  (In fact, I have a hard time putting the words rape and play together.  There's nothing fun about rape, ime.)

Like I said before though, there's also the "gangrape", which is different again.  And so, I get where the confusion might stem from.

That and wondering why someone might want to have X ppl at the same time...

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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 6:44:07 PM   
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Ya know - I just don't get the obsession with male subs of strap on dildo size and being gang banged.


I'm a woman, so I can't speak for the male perspective.

I do note that while a gangbang plays well in the fantasy in my head, that in reality there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

At the same time, I do enjoy being fisted... that's  some size, but it's not the size that I'm after there, it's the intensity and the whole experience of what my Lady is doing, the time she's taking with me, and so forth.  Following some fantasy play not too long ago, my Lady got me three dildos... big, huge, and freaking enormous, and she worked with me on accepting those, gradually going bigger. This was not about pounding hard sex, more slow gentle stuff that was designed to test the limits of my submission and trust.  This is not something I ever want to do unprepared, or hard and fast, or very often. But it was incredibly intense.

To me, a gangbang is kind of objectification - the bangee is rather depersonalized, an object used by the gang. There's an element of humiliation there for sure. There's also the theme of being overwhelmed and completely possessed.

Maybe the best way to handle the fantasy is blindfolding and a lot of verbal description playing with the theme?



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RE: strapon and gangbang insight sought from male and f... - 8/22/2007 7:00:37 PM   
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I have never dealt with a submissive with a gangbang interest.
If he is looking to experience this or allows it to happen, I would imagine
he enjoys having anal sex.
Quite the slut for things in his bum, is all I can imagine.
I see no other thrill in it.

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