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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 1:29:10 AM   
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But my real point was, why do people use their energy on a non-issue like smoking while children are abused; a war is disintegrating and a draft looms large; and we have no universal health care?

Ok - I am a non smoker who doesn't like it.

I am not exactly a campaigner, and can only answer from a personal point of view.

Smoking isnt that much of a non issue. I completely understand peoples need to smoke, and for some its even a fetish.
But if you are going to smoke, just realise that its not just effecting you - and accept that what you are doing as a habit and or a fetish effects other people in a non consensual manner.

OK, so that sounds all deep and patronising - but it is true, and not just an opinion.

You mentioned about child abuse - but what about the children effected by passive smoking? Did they ask for it? And even if you smoke away from a child or any person, don't foll oneself into believing your still ok.
Also - like cars - which I drive yes - smoking damages the environment. You using when you don't have to - and the key here is have to - effects others. The production of tobacco effects the environment also.

You mentioned war. Some wars are funded with the help of tobacco revenue. Its not an accident or pure heresay that some of the poorest countries, governed by some of the most well off and rich dictators are tobacco growers and other drug related products. Many deaths are caused by tobacco barons and the income generated using the proceeds from tobacco has been used to fund alot of very uncomfortable regimes over the years and the people are effected. Children used to harvest tobacco die every year and still do in some parts of the world and instead of putting the money into tobacco, why not invest in a development that can improve the quality of life instead?

And on the last count, healthcare. Now, I know that the US has a different healthcare system than here, so I can only respond to ours and my personal feelings. But why should tax payers money be spent nursing a heart attack victim who has never paid tax back to health, or a cancer sufferer who caused their own disease, and not concentrate on people who have gained the same problems via passive smoking? Waiting lists mean that those innocent of passive smoking related illnessess suffer longer and may even die, because we also have to care for those that caused their own problems.

So, there are many more reasons to those that campaign against tobacco and smoking than just interfering in your own life, your freedom to do what you want. Freedom of an individual is the most beautiful and important subject, but at what price to many others?

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 11:28:05 AM   
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I don't exactly agree with this, nor do I agree with pfH's position. Regulating where people may smoke cigarettes doesn't have to preclude dealing with other political problems. Second-hand smoke is deadly; there's really no scientific doubt about that anymore. Why should anyone (including smokers) be unreasonably subjected to a deadly substance that someone ELSE is releasing into the air--and not taking any responsibility for it? If you want to smoke where it's not going to bother anyone else, fine, that's your decision. But I don't think you have a right to smoke in a public building. If someone sprayed a noxious aerosol in a public building, we'd call that terrorism. Smoking has essentially the same effects.

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Wow..i actually disagree with Lam. i guess there's a first time for everything. Comparing smokers to terrorists is so ridiculous as to be almost beyond the pale. A terrorist comes into a building with anthrax..or a bomb..designed to kill people by a deadly toxin or by blowing up the building. The events of 9/11 were terrorist attacks.

Smokers just want to be left in peace..and reasonable comfort..to do what has always been legal and what anti-smokers want ultimately to make illegal. The anti-smokers are not content with creating "non-smoking" areas which intrude terribly on the rights of smokers...their real agenda is to make smoking illegal, period.

First, as i have said twice now, smoking is a ridiculous issue to expend your energies on, in the face of the state of our country. Once again i point to public education; homelesness; health care and other issues which much more directly affect the health and well-being of people.

Second, if smoking IS made ilegal, i believe the same circumstances as arose under prohibition will arise under a smoking ban. People like myself will break the law and continue to smoke...and will deal with criminals to get their cigarettes.

i am extremely skeptical of the myriad of anecedotal evidence being thrown about as to people whom claim to be ultra-allegric to smoking and cannot bear to enter a room where smoking occured within the past 24 hours. i feel a political climate has arisen in which the ultra-sensitive "plantiff" is indulged to a ridiculous degree and so people self-proclaim to be ultra-allegric. i have yet to hear any of these stories backed up by medical evidence. In short, i think it is an attitude which became a behavior in order to control others' behavior..because we all seem to enjoy doing that.

Finally, i wonder why the anti-smoking crusaders pay no attention to the use of the funds they won; nor exhibit any manners whatsoever in dealing with smokers. Smokers are generally quite polite and will put out a cigarette or move away if asked. But anti-smokers act like barbarians. My girlfriend was on line to buy movie tickets -- out of doors -- smoking -- when an anti-smoking man SPIT ON HER because she was smoking. This sort of behavior is apparently acceptable because ANYTHING is acceptable so long as the smoker puts out his or her cigarette.

To the author who disturbed her parents and is planning a campaign against her friend, all to end smoking, i say: you had better take a hard look at yourself and ask why you feel such a deep-seated need to control others. If you were my kid, we'd be in family therapy, working on exactly that issue.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 11:46:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that I think smoking is disgusting in all ways, it even makes nipples taste bad. My mind boggles at the teens and 20s who START smoking and wonder what rock they grew up under to not only not care about the health risks but to get the money to support their addiction!

My mother smokes and I had to listen to her hacking up for a half hour every morning. I rarely go to see her at her place anymore since her and my aunt smoke so constantly that the smell and even taste oppresses me.

However, on sheer politeness, I would NEVER go up to someone and give them a lecture on their personal habits, nor do I think the government should legislate it (which is also how I feel about alcohol and other drugs). I think having separate sections for smokers and non-smokers is smart.

Like anything, it's a personal choice.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 12:36:05 PM   
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My girlfriend was on line to buy movie tickets -- out of doors -- smoking -- when an anti-smoking man SPIT ON HER because she was smoking. This sort of behavior is apparently acceptable because ANYTHING is aceptable so long as the smoker puts out his or her cigarette


Whilst I wouldn't say that this man had done the right thing - is there a difference?

This man spat - because he wanted to - he felt a need for his release(because of his disgust? his upset? who knows - ) and yes, it effected your friend - unconsensually - but then, didn't she do the same thing? Didn't she, smoke - because she wanted to - she felt a need for her release (because of stress? addiction? her freedom to enjoy?) and it was effecting people around her - unconsensually.

As a non smoker, I walk down the street and pass people who are smoking and I inhale those fumes. Not because I want to but because people are smoking - 20 ft away - and the winds blowing, and that smokes infecting my lungs as well. I make a choice - walk away, hold my breath or just stay and inhale, because I don't want to lose my place in the line, or miss the view or walk out into the road...

I would say, that both spitting and smoking are the same, antisocial, nonconsensual, acts of selfishness.

But then, do you really care if you are selfish?

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 2:20:08 PM   
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To the author who disturbed her parents and is planning a campaign against her friend, all to end smoking, i say: you had better take a hard look at yourself and ask why you feel such a deep-seated need to control others. If you were my kid, we'd be in family therapy, working in exactly that issue.

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Disturbed her parents? They're both quite happy to have quit. They both have no desire to pick up another cigarette. Neither of them feel like I need therapy.

It isn't a deep seated need to control anyone... it's a realistic fear that the people I love may be smoking themselves to an early grave. My parents understand that.

And I'm not planning a campaign against anyone.

My friend announced that she was going to quit smoking. She knows I don't like the idea of her smoking. But I don't go on about it. She knows what I feel. End of story.

She's tried to quit once before this, but she didn't really care if she did or not. She didn't tell me about it that time because she didn't want help or motivation to quit. Now she does. She wants the support. She knows that I'll help her keep that committment to herself while she works toward quitting.

She also joined the gym because she knew that she'd have to either forget working out and continue to light up... or she could work her behind off at the gym and give up the cigarettes. She wouldn't have paid for a membership at a gym if she wasn't terribly interested in kicking the habit.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 6:20:27 PM   
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I would say, that both spitting and smoking are the same, antisocial, nonconsensual, acts of selfishness.


dark angel, you lovely woman, there is a difference. spitting on someone is misdemeanor assault -- a crime. Smoking is legal. And there is a reason the law makes that distinction. The day may come when you no longer see, smell or hear about cigarette smoking anywhere, but i rather doubt it. There are too many people such as myself. And we vote just as you do. Personally, i'd like to never again see any stupid bumper stickers or hear "hey baby, baby" shouted at me from a construction site, but the world is full of annoyances.

When a smoker cannot be unmolested OUTDOORS and a non-smoker cannot say "please, could you put that out? It's bothering me." rather than SPITTING on a smoker, well, then i say the anti-smokers are a hazard to the civilized behavior that helps keep us from detiorating in to a band of hooligans. Manners count, for all of us..even anti-smokers.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 7:35:35 PM   
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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 8:42:55 PM   
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But why should tax payers money be spent nursing a heart attack victim who has never paid tax back to health, or a cancer sufferer who caused their own disease, and not concentrate on people who have gained the same problems via passive smoking?


I knew this was going to surface. The jest I got was that if something causes a burdon on the taxpayers or I would say even adversly affect health insurance costs, it should be banned. And let's bear in mind that's under the assumption that smoking is the cause. OK..fine! I'll be sarcastic and jump on the bandwagon then. Then let's neuter all the females (or males if that's your preference) prior to their childbearing years. I mean, look at the cost of having a kid these days. I have to pay for that problem and I'm not in the kid making business anymore, damned that is so unfair. But by the stated logic, to reduce cost, reducing the chance of that happening would be a good move. I mean, it should really piss people off that their insurance company is actually paying out claims or their Government is having to provide services, for an obviously self inflicted condition. Of course in the process we would exterminate ourselves, but hey that's OK, we would be saving money.

In the first place, in my humble opinion, which from what I have seen is likely correct, most cancer victims are simply a product of their own genetics..if cancer runs in your family, you have better odds of getting it, if it doesn't, your likelyhood is slim. Good, bad, or indifferent behavour has little influence. Given this probability, smoking probably doesn't have that much impact anyway. It has however become a nice scapegoat for when they can't figure out the cause of something. You can test this..walk into the doctor anymore and one of the first things they ask is if you smoke, nice ploy for setting up a reason for whatever ails you, in the very likely event they can't figure it out. Even if you agree there is proven research proving the health problems, it depends on who's statistics you look at, the facts are always skewed, from both sides. And the passive thing...I won't even go there, it so ridiculous. I compare this to the research they did on lab rats where they clouded their environment to see if second hand smoke had an impact..damned right it did, I would have a problem living in an exhaust pipe too...gezzz. I'm sorry, I grew up in an environment where smoking was never even given a second thought and it didn't matter if you were 1 or 101, you were exposed to it (along with a combination of much more deadly things at the time I am sure). All those children & young adults did not drop dead from second hand smoke before they reached 25 and a very large majority of them are still alive to this day (looks, yep, still kickin). The point is, it's primarily what's been promoted by the anti-smoking "movers and shakers" that is driving the fears, not necessarily facts. I don't have a problem with someone smoking or not smoking, it's a choice thing and they can make theirs. But to try to hype it up to the point where it sounds justified to tell someone they can't smoke when at an outside sporting event, or walking across a public street near a hospital, is just pure propaganda.

I guess tonight I heard what would sum this up, we were in a resturant within earshot of the front door and when this couple coming in were asked "smoking or non-smoking" the lady piped up and said, "outside, in the no-smoking". I had to roll my eyes and laugh.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/8/2005 9:51:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The intention doesn't matter; I said the EFFECT is the same. If someone sprayed a noxious aerosol in a public building without INTENDING to hurt anyone, I'm sure that person would still be arrested and tried under all the new terrorism laws.

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Wow..i actually disagree with Lam. i guess there's a first time for everything. Comparing smokers to terrorists is so ridiculous as to be almost beyond the pale. A terrorist comes into a building with anthrax..or a bomb..designed to kill people by a deadly toxin or by blowing up the building. The events of 9/11 were terrorist attacks.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 7:25:14 AM   
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The intention doesn't matter; I said the EFFECT is the same. If someone sprayed a noxious aerosol in a public building without INTENDING to hurt anyone, I'm sure that person would still be arrested and tried under all the new terrorism laws.

Lam


Lam..darling..the new Homeland Security Act provides that a person made be held for an extraordinary period of time (i think 14 months) without any communication with anyone; without being arrested or arraigned; without legal counsel; and may be interogated without a right to counsel (not sure about the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination). Stories are beginning to emerge about severe abuse of such "missing prisioners" suffering terrible abuse by correctional officers..because they have no recourse and are naturally despised.

The threshold for "detaining" someone under the HLS Act seems vague; a "threat to HL Security"; and the determination, as i understand it, is made by the new HLS Agency...not a federal judge. On this, i admit, i have relied on stories from law enforcement and not my own research. However, it seems indisputable that we have surrendered a goodly portion of the 4th and 5th and 6th Amendments in the name of Homeland Security...and when will they be returned to us? There was a hew and cry when this legislation was up for vote, but the naysayers were cast as unpatriotic and thus marginalized.

i do not KNOW this is true, but i am told that if Yr ex-wife or Yr neighbor calls the HLS Agency and reports that You are an anarchist, You can be whisked away, despite being an American citizen. The allegations agaiinst You need not be disclosed to You; and You will have no way to reach anyone to help You; nor will anyone be able to find out where You are.

i do realise this was not the true point of Your post, but it's a bit of legalese which greatly disturbs me and it was "tickled" by what You said.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 7:45:29 AM   
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dark angel, you lovely woman, there is a difference. spitting on someone is misdemeanor assault -- a crime. Smoking is legal. And there is a reason the law makes that disinction.

That is why they want to make it te law - so an antisocial occupation will equal the same as any other.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 8:02:45 AM   
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Cancer can be hereditary (sp) in alot of cases - but those are usually Breast, prostate and lymphoma - cancer of the lung is usually non hereditary - I know this because my uncle died of it and the specialist explained it to my parents. However, cancer aside, there is a miriad of other diseases that smoking can cause and aggrivate from high blood pressure to asthma to heart disease and beyond - not all diseases are inherited and some are caused by a combination of different things - but if you have lung cancer, or heart disease and you are prescribed medication and recommended that you stop smoking but you don't because your want to smoke, then why on earth should you not pay the full price for the drugs and treatment? I am not saying I am agaisnt people being treated - but if you still wont heed warnings and recommendations and you become more ill, or have to take more drugs just because your don't want to quit - then pay the price and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

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The point is, it's primarily what's been promoted by the anti-smoking "movers and shakers" that is driving the fears, not necessarily facts. I don't have a problem with someone smoking or not smoking, it's a choice thing and they can make theirs. But to try to hype it up to the point where it sounds justified to tell someone they can't smoke when at an outside sporting event, or walking across a public street near a hospital, is just pure propaganda.


It's only properganda, because you don't want to believe it. Medical 'facts' are out there. I don't really care what the antismoker 'movers and shakers' say - I care about my environment, and my childrens health.

As smokers, you probably don't even notice when a smoker halfway down the street is smoking because you are so used to the smell and the fumes. I can find my father, just by following his pipe scent. So if you walk out in the open air and smoke you are still effecting non smokers. Don't try to fool yourself that if its outside, it's ok.

I am not against smokers and their freedom to smoke because I know that some people can suffer horrible withdrawl and can't function without it. Because, like may parents - the info wasn't around in their day to know how dangerous it was. But please don't sit there and say that its not effecting others and your rights are violated.

Human rights isn't just about the freedom to exercise ones own rights - its about if the excising of those rights invade anothers space.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 10:59:37 AM   
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So, there are many more reasons to those that campaign against tobacco and smoking than just interfering in your own life, your freedom to do what you want. Freedom of an individual is the most beautiful and important subject, but at what price to many others?


dark angel; it is the very cornerstone of our legal system that the majority cannot impose its will on the minority, so long as the minority is acting legally. you say smoking outdoors is annoying. i think you must admit, dear, that you are simply so disturbed at the sight/smell of tobacco that you get upset. well, certain environmental factors upset me as well. people who ride my bumper on the freeway. construction of a street that reaches the "tearing up" stage and is apparently abandoned for months. my neighbors who get drunk off their ass and fight --LOUD -- till all hours. i could go on. My point is, nothing can be done to make the world free of annoyances; you simply have to find a peace within yourself and maintain it even when your particular annoyances threaten to undo you.

you posit a horror of third-world countries and child labor providing tobacco to R J Reynolds, when in fact there are tobacco farms across the eastern US..in states like Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, etc. i am not aware that any tobacco is imported. However, if you care about child labor - especially stoop labor -- you could take an interest in the abuse of illegal aliens and their kids used to harvest your lettuce, strawberries, brussel sprouts, grapes, and so forth.

For a place to begin reading on the subject try:

www.factmonster.com/spot/ceasarchaveztimeline.html

ty dark angel; i know you always listen to what i have to say, no matter how much we may disagree.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 1:13:34 PM   
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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 1:29:46 PM   
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yup - you are correct fille, theres lots of annoying things that go on in the world. If someone rides my bumper, however, I slow down and sometimes even come to a stop. I have called out the police and I approach people who cause disturbances. Lol - maybe I look so scary - but I usually get a result.

Thing is - if something bothers me, I will campaign. I will stand up for my rights. Like the time I pulled a mobile phone out of a womans hand and said 'sorry - shes driving, can't talk now' when a women next to me in the traffic lights who had been behind me all the way talking on her phone whilst she was driving - and I got back into my car and drove away after telling her what an idiot she was and how many accidents she can cause.

Thing is - that bumper rider is a pain - but theres a huge difference between smoking and general annoyance. The environmental issues are huge (not just the smoking, but in the production of tobacco) - the litter and dirt caused is horrid - the medical issues far outweigh anything and the fact that it's a drug.

I am not saying everyones going to give up overnight. I know some people don't have that ability to at all - that they use it as a relaxent, stress helper - whatever - but, just that people accept that smoking is a danger to others, is antisocial, and that you have, as individuals, responsibilites. Make sure the tabacco you use is a fair trade one. Or that you support USA farmers than use tobacco from dictatorships. Dispose of the cigarettes in safe ways - and never throw butts on the floor or out of car windows. And don't say that passive smoking doesnt exist and realise the potential harm that cigarettes cause.

As for abuse of illegal immigrants - yup, I am well aware it happens. And not just on farms. Au pairs, domestic staff, medical workers - all suffer. I do take action - lol - I think most people that know me have realised that by now. No one knows what Demon and I may do or be involved with personally, because it's not about the knowing and showing off how great someone might be, it's about the making a difference. I Love this world and where we live - its fantastically beautiful and not for one moment will I sit by as a silent voice when I can sing like a bird - if thats what it takes to make a difference.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 1:51:57 PM   
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dark angel; it is the very cornerstone of our legal system that the majority cannot impose its will on the minority, so long as the minority is acting legally. you say smoking outdoors is annoying. i think you must admit, dear, that you are simply so disturbed at the sight/smell of tobacco that you get upset. well, certain environmental factors upset me as well. people who ride my bumper on the freeway. construction of a street that reaches the "tearing up" stage and is apparently abandoned for months. my neighbors who get drunk off their ass and fight --LOUD -- till all hours. i could go on. My point is, nothing can be done to make the world free of annoyances; you simply have to find a peace within yourself and maintain it even when your particular annoyances threaten to undo you.


Just a technical note - dark~angel does not have the same legal system as you. Neither do I. All 3 of us live in different countries with different laws.

Here is still very socially chique to smoke. It is very European and in general multicultural. Cigar & port bars are all the rage plus because of the large Arabic influence in this city, sheesha pipe cafés are popping up everywhere these days. I never thought I'd see the day that smoking would be banned in Montréal but they are talking about January 2006. I feel there might be a riot…

Now, I am one of the fortunate people who can smoke a cigarette and then go months and months without ever craving another. Now and then, I like to partake in a Lady’s cigar. The only time I find myself craving a cigarette is when I'm having a glass of alcohol and someone near by is smoking. I enjoy one or two in moderation at that point and then I leave it at that. By no means do I need one. The problem is, that for most people, smoking is addictive, not the tobacco but the chemicals that are in the cigarettes to keep masses enslaved. And for that very reason, I find it vile.

Can I do without smoking those few cigarettes a year altogether? Can I do without hanging out with friends and occasionally partaking in the sheesha? Can I forget about a Cuban with my Porto? I don’t particularly want to, no.

But if it was for the better good of society to ban dangerously addictive cigarettes, I would make that sacrifice. In fact, I think that making it illegal to smoke in public places would probably make it so that the temptation wouldn't be there for me to partake.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 4:51:44 PM   
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I tend to have more energy. but i Love smoking and always have. I do have a respect for those that don't smoke and even in my own house if i know there is a non-smoker i will ask if its ok or just go outside...but...I have an issue with"being told" I cannot smoke. I understand people not wanting their kids exposed to it in public places.. i am very concious of it in fact.. but i do not want to be told i have to hide behind the builing at work cause they are afraid a customer won't come in if i'm seen smoking. What is that? it feels like censorship to me... anyway ..just my 2 cents worth

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 5:02:36 PM   
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i am also amazed that with another Vietnam broiling, child abuse a chronic problem and Human Services so inadequate; etc., they choose to put their energies into controlling the smoking behavior of others. It seems like fiddling while Rome burns.

This is an irrelevant argument. For almost any issue there others more important, but that doesn’t mean other issues aren’t worthwhile too.

Apparently your passion for smoking blinds you to just how offensive it can be to others, so let's try an analogy. Some folks have a fetish for scat -- to them it has the same romance and sexiness you find in smoking. Assuming you don't share that fetish, then how would you like stepping in their shit in the mall or smelling it while you eat in a restaurant? Sure, there are other issues more important, but that doesn't mean that keeping people from shitting anywhere they like is an issue that should be ignored.

Just for fun, you should look at your posts and replace “anti-smokers” with “anti- shitters”. Makes just as much sense to me either way.

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anyone who wants to post about "kissing an ashtray" should bear in mind i am 51 years old and no man has declined to kiss me when given the chance)

In another post around here you mentioned that you love sucking cock, so I suppose there is incentive to overlook the smoking . . . as long as you don’t want to kiss too much before getting to the good stuff.

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i find this very odd...and rather sad.

What a coincidence! I found it odd and sad that you felt provoked enough by a line in my profile that I don’t tolerate smoking that you sent me ½ of this same rant in e-mail a while ago. After saying such arguments won’t persuade me and pointing you to this link to a previous smoking thread a while ago to illustrate that fact, you sent me the rest of the rant apparently blissfully unaware that the criticisms tossed at anti-smokers were also directed at me. I can understand starting threads about pet peeves -- folks do it all the time, but I can't understand what would possess somebody to spew this garbage in e-mail to a stranger who obviously has no interest in it. Makes me wonder if in addition to causing cancer, emphysema and other illnesses if smoking somehow doesn't somehow diminish common sense.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 5:49:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		i am a smoker, and have been since i was 12. my dad was a smoker and this is why i was allowed to smoke at home at such a young age.
i am now 35 and wish my parents hadn't been so lenient about it. i cant say i like it or dislike it, but here in Australia they are costing between $10-$13.00 a pack depending on the brand.
it is a habit, or addiction if you like, i find myself reaching for them more often in certain circumstances, but then there are times where i can go more than a few hours without them.
Master has demanded that i quit (he is a non-smoker). i realise He is wanting this because He is concerned with the health issues associated, and yes it is great that He cares, but geeez.......its so damn hard to quit!!!


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 6:12:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		:::sigh::: My owner is a huge believer in personal responsibility. I sometimes wish he would put his foot down on this issue because I have had a very tough time in accomplishing it on my own.


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