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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/9/2005 9:56:26 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		pfH, the one thing I don't see you taking into account is the fact that second-hand smoke is deadly. You can't compare it to an annoying bumper sticker. You don't have tens of thousands of people dying because they observed a bumper sticker. If this were just a matter of individual liberties, I'd agree with you. But smoking a cigarette is more than just a matter of exercising your civil liberties if you're also causing physical harm to other people in the process.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/12/2005 10:08:56 AM   
pleasureforHim


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Well, happy pervert flamed me, so let me deal with him 1st.

Using "scat" to replace "smoking" won't work because the "exercize" of a right to spread scat" will never be recognized for health reasons. i cannot imagine a better way to spread disease; it is what causes cholera, malaria and dengue fever in third-world countries without adequate sewage treatment. Please come away from the "dingbat" stall.

To Lam..i am sceptical of the claims made as to non-smokers dying of second-hand smoke. i think i would concede a death by lung cancer in a non-smoker, so long as there were no other environmental factors, e.g., he was not a coal mine worker. The numbers of these deaths keep climbing; first i heard "thousands a year"; then "tens of thousands"; and now it's just "thousands and thousands".

That said, i feel good manners cures the problem. No smoking in the cars or homes of non-smokers (although i do have some very gracious friends who invite me to do so; i still go outdoors or wait). No smoking inside those humidically-sealed buildings that never allow in fresh air (and so recycle all the flu and cold germs). No smoking where fire is a hazard (in theaters; on planes; along a highway where a fire risk is very high, unless you can put the ash and cigarette out in the car.) Finally, good manners from non-smokers. i know of no one who would not put out a cigarette or move away if a non-smoker made it known they were disturbed by the smoke. Simply ask "could you please put that out? it's bothering me."

And once again, i point out, i wrote a cogent post, virtually proving that innocent people are sitting on death row and are being executed here in the US, and no one responded. But wowsie..cigarette smoking brings out the rage and opinions and even a flame. i am saddened by this.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/12/2005 10:22:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pleasureforHim

Finally, good manners from non-smokers. i know of no one who would not put out a cigarette or move away if a non-smoker made it known they were disturbed by the smoke. Simply ask "could you please put that out? it's bothering me."

pleasureforHim


Oh yeah ... that works oh so very well

Maybe you take that well, but I have NEVER run across a smoker who didn't either just glare at me, blow smoke in my direction, or tell me that I could go elsewhere, even if it was perfectly clear that I couldn't. So I quit trying.

Now, I will say that my coworkers who know that I'm allergic to it and the extent that I'm allergic to it do make a pointed effort to not come too close after they have been out smoking, and if I'm outside on a break, they will check the direction of the wind and make sure that they are downwind of me - but if there is someone there that I don't know, and I ask them if they will trade me places or something so that I'm upwind of them (and yes, I am polite) they generally point out that I can stay inside for my breaks so why should they have to move for me (and that was the most polite phrasing that I've gotten).

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i am extremely skeptical of the myriad of anecedotal evidence being thrown about as to people whom claim to be ultra-allegric to smoking and cannot bear to enter a room where smoking occured within the past 24 hours. i feel a political climate has arisen in which the ultra-sensitive "plantiff" is indulged to a ridiculous degree and so people self-proclaim to be ultra-allegric. i have yet to hear any of these stories backed up by medical evidence. In short, i think it is an attitude which became a behavior in order to control others' behavior..because we all seem to enjoy doing that.


You can be skeptical if you want, but after walking onto a floor at the jail where two of the inmates had been smoking about an hour beforehand, I got sent home from work over an hour early (fortunately this happened at the end of my shift) because I had to go to the hospital. I start coughing and I keep coughing until I pass out. You don't have to believe me, but this is my life. I can't be around people who have just come in from smoking ... if I go outside to the patio for my breaks, I have to make sure that I am upwind of all the smokers (which isn't easy) and I still sometimes have trouble. I don't know of anyone else who has as much trouble as I do, and I don't claim that I am the norm at all ... but yes I AM that sensitive to smoke - cig smoke, marijuana smoke, bonfire smoke, fireplace smoke, etc (although cigs and marijuana are the worst).

As I have said before - I don't wish for everywhere to be made non-smoking, although that would make my life a lot easier and I'd be able to actually go out and have some semblance of a social life - but I would like for some places to be entirely smoke free, including not allowing people to stand right outside the door and smoke so that I can actually go in and out of the building without hacking up a lung.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/12/2005 1:27:05 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		I understand, SweetDommes, and I am sorry for the problems you have had with other smokers. I am a very polite person, and even in the "olden" days, when one could sit at a coffee shop counter and that was a "smoking permitted" area, I would always ask the person next to Me if they minded if I smoked.
On the other hand, I always go to the designated smoking area to light up, and I am amazed at how many "glares" I get because non-smokers are in My area. I'm standing next to the cigarette recepticle, but I am getting dirty looks for lighting up at all.
This might go back to Scooter's observation and that many people make a big deal about second hand smoke, but if a restuarant is busy, they will sit in either area. I am sure you don't, but there are many who do, and then all the smokers are made to feel uncomfortable, even though they are engaging in a perfectly legal activity in the designated area for that activity.
It does go both ways.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/13/2005 9:42:41 PM   
pleasureforHim


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The exchange beteen SweetDomme and Dusty kinda covers the issues. People who smoke should be considerate. Non-smokers should also be considerate.

And btw, i have lost all but 10 of my emails and have no record of what i may have sent happy pervert, so if i was redundant in addressing him, my apologises.

For so many years, the tobacco industry used junk science and lies to continue to promote their products without much government interference. Now they have lost billions in a judgment to the states and the warnings on cigarette packs scarely fit.

It would be a shame if the anti-smoking lobby adopted the self-same tactics in their efforts to make headway towards their goals. For example, i'd appreciate some honesty as to the lobby's ultimate goal of making smoking illegal -- period.

pleasureforHim

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/13/2005 11:36:24 PM   
SweetDommes


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

This might go back to Scooter's observation and that many people make a big deal about second hand smoke, but if a restuarant is busy, they will sit in either area. I am sure you don't, but there are many who do, and then all the smokers are made to feel uncomfortable, even though they are engaging in a perfectly legal activity in the designated area for that activity.
It does go both ways.



You're right, I don't - I can't. I HAVE to wait, or go somewhere else, if there is no available seating in the non-smoking section ... I can't even sit next to the smoking section.

However, if I did, for some unknown reason, suffer a moment of amnisia and forget that I can't even be near smoking and agree to sit in the smoking section - I would NOT glare at anyone, or anything so silly as that. I'd simply go "oh shit, I can't sit here" and either move, or leave.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/13/2005 11:49:13 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Even Philip Morris accepts it:

http://www.philipmorrisinternational.com/pages/eng/smoking/Secondhand_smoke.asp

There's no longer any serious doubt about the effects of second-hand smoke.

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ORIGINAL: pleasureforHim

To Lam..i am sceptical of the claims made as to non-smokers dying of second-hand smoke. i think i would concede a death by lung cancer in a non-smoker, so long as there were no other environmental factors, e.g., he was not a coal mine worker. The numbers of these deaths keep climbing; first i heard "thousands a year"; then "tens of thousands"; and now it's just "thousands and thousands".


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/25/2005 8:14:07 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		A feature on the news today was that in Florida they want to outlaw smoking while driving. If you are caught smoking while driving you will be ticketed and fined $250.00. I guess if this law passes pink better reconsider relocating to Florida.

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/25/2005 8:42:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw that too, and couldn't believe it! I hate to go on a rant, but the politicians that are trying to introduce this legislation, need to be taken out to the wood pile and beat with a rubber hose.


And folks wonder why Rome went down in flames.


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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/26/2005 8:20:14 AM   
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Are you kidding? Outlawing smoking in one's own car? This is the sort of infringement of one's personal business by Big Government that we're raised to expect from Democrats, not Republicans. Lordy, yes, i would take such a law into consideration before deciding to move..Georgia has a lovely coastline.

Yanno..sometimes being a Republican just sucks.

Lam..yes..second hand smoke is a danger. But the resolution is to prevent people from being exposed as much as possible. i smoked around my baby 26 yrs ago..but i would not today. Today i'd have a room in my house (with an air cleaner) where i smoked and where i never took my baby. If i took her with me out to eat, we'd sit in non-smoking. i would not smoke in the car, period. Alot of things would be different; just as other things were different for me after she was born 26 yrs ago.

i try to show non-smokers every courtesy, and i think smoking out-doors is as courtious as possible; especially when one moves far away from the entrance to the building.

Once again, i think mutual respect solves a lot of problems. i am aghast at what SweetDomme said about how her coworkers treat her; that is awful. She deserves to be treated considerately. However, i do not think making cigarettes too expenisve for the poor or even outlawing them is the answer.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/26/2005 1:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		this isn't meant to be glib..or maybe it is...if I continue to go outside to smoke..am I giving eveyone who breaths... a taste of my second hand smoke...

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/26/2005 2:54:55 PM   
tigress31047


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Status: offline 		there is a law that will get you ticketed for smoking in your car if there are children in it..i don't know which state or states but i rember reading it somewhere.. i had not heard of the new proposal in fla.. that is just unreal...

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/26/2005 8:36:59 PM   
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As for my most favorite pet peave..the non-smoker that when confronted with a busy restaurant that says..."first available will be fine". That's when I would love to have a single tail and some working room.

Waves at scooter saying, yup I'm one of them...
but I'm not that bad, I would sign a petition to keep smokers have their right to smoke in smoking sections/bars.
I'll just try not to do it in Indiana because I could never handle the single tail.. M

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RE: Cigarette Smoking - 7/26/2005 8:58:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Taken to the logical extreme, the current anti-smoking frenzy is ultimately self-defeating. Tax cigarettes at such high rates that folks choose to quit and then have fewer sales to tax and thus fewer taxes collected to cover budget shortfalls. Outlaw smoking in public places and watch tax revenues fall further as folks like me decline to spend our money where we can't smoke. Some Ohio business owners got around the ban on smoking in restaurants and bars by changing them into private clubs. Time will tell the tale but I know which type of venue I think has better profits over the next few years.
I'm not particularly militant but I do vote with my money and while your favorite eatery may be gungho about going non-smoking, how long can they keep the doors open if smokers find a more friendly place to dine? I think it makes perfect sense for non-smokers to open their own businesses, employ only other non-smokers and accept only non-smoking clientele, if they so desire. All I want is the right, as a smoker, to do the same. Why would that be such a travesty?
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