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kittinSol -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:25:46 PM)
Susan, there is absolutely no need to apologise to me; and I believe, to anybody else. Your argument speaks for itself. I don't agree with charity to start with, so you and I have a very different approach to things anyway. But I must say that I appreciate your chuptzah. Mouah! xxx kitt PS: I think you will find that Sugar is not a bad guy, but that he argues from the other side of the spectrum, just as spiritedly as you do.

UR2Badored -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:30:55 PM)
http://www.cmswr.org/member_communities/MC.htm According to Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity in the Bronx. (US) (seelink above), The National Association for Treasurers of Religious Institutes, Inc. (NATRI) handles the stewardship responsibilities for the charity. NATRI is a professional organization for religious institutes represented by treasurers/chief financial officers of those institutes. (see link below) http://www.natri.org/ Tidbit: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200108/ai_n9003457

popeye1250 -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:31:36 PM)
Why can't people do "good" in their own countries? What is this need to be a "Great White Bwana" in a foreign country? This "Lawrence of Arabia" syndrome. I'm in the U.S. I don't care about people in India! What's wrong with things is that people and governments don't take care of their own countries' problems. It's like the people in the U.S. who pass by UM's in this country to adopt them from foreign countries.

kittinSol -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I'm in the U.S. I don't care about people in India! What a lovely sentiment [:D] !

DomKen -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy Tried before, with no success, to get some sources for the information you are giving. Guess it won't hurt to try again. So, here goes. quote: ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So the truth is irrelevant to you? All that matters to you is the PR machine not facts? Thanks for the info, I can safely ignore any further ignorant bleatings you may make. The "truth" according to who? Why don't you provide any sources for the "truth" you have stated? Where did you get all of this "truth" from? Sorry but, i always consider the source of the "truth" i am being given. Accusations, without verifiable sources, are empty, meaningless, meritless, and not worth the keystrokes needed to debate them. Without sources, you have no case against a dead woman. The case has already been made but you apparently ignored it. Sources from a previous poster: http://www.salon.com/sept97/news/news3.html http://www.slate.com/id/2090083 http://www.newstatesman.com/200508220019 http://members.lycos.co.uk/bajuu/ http://www.meteorbooks.com/index.html All of these articles have sourcing information so further research is quite possible for those so inclined. Personally I prefer first hand testimony and happen to live in an area with a large population of Indian immigrants. Uniformly and without prompting all of those I've ever heard discuss the woman have said she and her order did nothing useful in Calcutta. After her death I had several conversations with a customer who was from Calcutta and traveled there frequently, he made it clear that any number of charities did work in the slums and did good works but that MT did nothing. He pointed me to an actual functioning international charity working to improve the state of the poor in Calcutta and the surrounding region, the Calcutta Village Program. Especially since 1999 and their establishment of a microcredit bank to help the poor women in the area build small businesses they have been the primary international charity I give money to. Though founded by a doctor formally associated with MT he has broken from her order to establish his own real clinics and social programs. Although if after all that you don't see the truth then I recommend you try and find some local people who have volunteered with her order. I've yet to find anyone who has who came away thinking everything was fine with the order.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:47:08 PM)
You know, if we had been talking about Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, etc no one would have defended any of those assholes (well, I would hope). Every one of those nutjobs has shown himself to be not only human, but unusually susceptible to the kinds of "sins" they spend a lot of time warning others about. Every one of those guys can be shown to have misappropriated funds and done all kinds of irreligious things even according to their own stated code of ethics. Every one of those asshats would gladly take your money and then go spend it on something for themselves - blow, women, young men, etc. It's a joke. Funny thing is: they are all of them supposedly "men of god." Which is crazy talk no matter how you turn it around and try to make sense of it. I just simply do not understand why Mother Teresa gets the special aura of untouchability. Sure she won the Nobel - good PR and greasing the right hands will get you that. I think winning the Nobel probably equates to immediate respectability and even more funding so I can easily see the Church manipulating the situation. But no, that's not a fact nor even an opinion - it's just a wild guess. But based on the common activities of a very significant number of corrupt people wearing those very sparkly halos I can easily believe that Teresa was all about the con. I mean, the Catholics have a problem with institutionalized pederasty. We know they are as corrupt as Judas and will take your money for a free pass to heaven (go ask Martin Luther). So sure, maybe Teresa didn't herself take the money. But someone did. Even from the words of her own people one can easily surmise that they did not use the money given to them for charitable use. So where is it all? Why didn't they use it? People were hurting all around them. It's dispicable. Critical thinking was raised earlier in the thread. Why does Teresa get a pass when there are clearly so many unanswered questions about her? Isn't Teresa probably just another con woman wearing a sparkly halo?

popeye1250 -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:52:54 PM)
Churro, you forgot Oral Roberts, the guy that was going to be "called home" unless he collected a certain amount of money. lol

DomKen -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 7:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UR2Badored http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2960/mothert.htm According to Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity in the Bronx. (US) (seelink above), The National Association for Treasurers of Religious Institutes, Inc. (NATRI) handles the stewardship responsibilities for the charity. NATRI is a professional organization for religious institutes represented by treasurers/chief financial officers of those institutes. (see link below) http://www.natri.org/ http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200108/ai_n9003457 I'm unable to find the claim that Natri is the steward of the order's money on the page you link. Perhaps it is on an internal page but the site is nearly unreadable so I'm not poking around looking for it. However Natri's site is quite readable and quite clear: quote: NATRI is a professional organization for religious institutes represented by treasurers/chief financial officers of those institutes. After poking around on the site I can find no evidence it provides any such services to any organization. It appears to simply be a professional organization for treasureres of religious nonprofits.

UR2Badored -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:00:48 PM)
I did put the wrong site address somehow.......it has been corrected. I could not find anything else to substantiate either side of the argument. I could not find reports of mispending or any spending at all for that matter. It is clearly listed on the homepage.......

DomKen -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:05:01 PM)
You meant this: http://www.cmswr.org/member_communities/MC.htm ? Nope, not on that page either.

UR2Badored -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:08:25 PM)
Please look on the home page........it is clearly listed.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:12:03 PM)
"Oral" Roberts? Do I even want to ask about that odd name. It's very Puritan sounding. What can it mean? And I wonder which parent named him - that tidbit could answer many things...

kittinSol -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:16:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro "Oral" Roberts? Do I even want to ask about that odd name. It's very Puritan sounding. What can it mean? And I wonder which parent named him - that tidbit could answer many things... Sitting back in my brain surgeon chair... I can only think to call up a very good Freudian psychoanalyst friend of mine...

UR2Badored -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:17:50 PM)
Newsflash: Millions of dollars undisclosed by the vatican. ? Flashy red Prada shoes for the Pope $300.00 Strappy sand encrusted sandals for Mother Teresa $3.00 CM Members arguing about a harmless little dead nun seeking world domination and the root of all evil Priceless!

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:22:00 PM)
But Christians do say that, right? "Money is the root of all evil." And based on some of the Christians characters I listed earlier, I'd say they would know all about that part of the "missionary" work.

kittinSol -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro But Christians do say that, right? "Money is the root of all evil." That is so blatantly wrong it's laughable: everybody knows that evil is the root of all money :-) .

DomKen -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:42:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UR2Badored Please look on the home page........it is clearly listed. Not on the page you linked to. Why don't you find the page a post the actuall addy. All the text on page in question: quote: *Missionaries of Charity* Sister M. Dominga, M.C. Address: 335 East 145th Street, Bronx, NY 10451 Phone: 718-292-0019 Fax: 718-292-2929 The Missionaries of Charity is an international religious family of pontifical right composed of active and contemplative branches with perpetual public vows of chastity, poverty, obedience, and wholehearted and free service to the poorest of the poor, leading each sister to the perfect love of God and neighbor and making the Church fully present in the world of today. The Society was founded by Mother M. Teresa, M.C. in Calcutta, India, and now has houses on every continent and in most of the countries of the world. Their particular mission is to labor for the salvation and the sanctification of the poorest of the poor all over the world. Each member of the Society goes where she is sent and does not choose the place or kind of work. Candidates must be between 18 and 35; guided by the right intention; healthy in body and mind, and so able to bear the hardships of this vocation; able to acquire knowledge, especially the language of the people they serve; of a cheerful disposition; and able to exercise sound judgment. Initial formation periods are six-months pre-aspirancy, six-months aspirancy, one-year postulancy, and two-year novitiate. All candidates must come for a two-week "come-and-see" in the Bronx, New York house before they can be considered for entry. Copyright ©2007 CMSWR Web Site Designed and Maintained by: Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious Post Office Box 4467 Washington, DC 20017-0467 No mention of Natri anywhere.

caitlyn -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:47:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro You know, if we had been talking about Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, etc no one would have defended any of those assholes (well, I would hope). Actually, if there were unsubstantiated accusations against any of these people, my position would still be the same. Accusations that are not proven, are not worth much. Weight of unproven accusation, borders on disproof. With so many accusation, you would think that at least a few could be proven. Sensationalism by reporters that feed on the sensational, speaks for itself. It doesn't really matter who the person is, or what faith they belong to. Just for the record, I know two Catholic nuns personally, and think they are both a little creapy. I'm also Catholic, and find the church next to useless. Our priest is pretty cool ... not because he is a Catholic priest, but because he is an interesting person. So, I don't actually have a very high opinion of the church, but don't see that as a reason to assign to it, anything past those feelings. My ethics and values aren't for sale, nor are they ruled by what I like, or dislike.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:53:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Actually, if there were unsubstantiated accusations against any of these people, my position would still be the same. Well, I didn't follow those cases too closely but I guess some of them went to prison. Still, I don't personally have evidence about any of it. I heard it on the news - just like you probably did. But apparently the news is no longer quite good enough. Now one has to overcome a Nobel Peace Prize... I could so some wiki lookups now though. Meh.

UR2Badored -> RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul (8/26/2007 8:55:17 PM)
lol it is on the home page.........click HOME and viola! quote: ORIGINAL: UR2Badored Please look on the home page........it is clearly listed.

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