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Politesub53 -> Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:09:52 PM)
My thoughts are as follows. Many events that are spoken of as conspiracy theories, have elements about them that don`t make sense. Questions that need an answer. If we take everything though, and turn the whole shebang into one big set of conspiracy theories. We run the risk of letting the truth go undetected. Are we in danger of disbelieving everything and thereby letting the real conspiracies pass under the radar ?

Griswold -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:12:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 My thoughts are as follows. Many events that are spoken of as conspiracy theories, have elements about them that don`t make sense. Questions that need an answer. If we take everything though, and turn the whole shebang into one big set of conspiracy theories. We run the risk of letting the truth go undetected. Are we in danger of disbelieving everything and thereby letting the real conspiracies pass under the radar ? Personally...I've always felt that the people that speak to me inside my head really don't have a clue...and besides....they haven't paid their association dues in well over 7 months.

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:16:48 PM)
In the future there will be an ‘accident’ in Iran’s nuclear reactor. Government agents will infiltrate it intent on causing this. I’ve seeeeeen the documents. You can’t bomb Iran because it will bring down condemnation upon you but an accident is entirely their fault and will set them back drastically on their nuclear ambitions. Don’t tell anyone I told you. K.

Politesub53 -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:18:24 PM)
Your secrest safe with us, and why are you up so late !! [;)]

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:20:00 PM)
Insomnia. I like my weekends to last longer.

Politesub53 -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:23:49 PM)
i know how the insomnia works........ MI5 doctor the Horlicks dont you know ?

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 6:35:02 PM)
I didn't know that thanks for the warning I shall use a filter in future. I knew they were cunning but I’ve only just realised how cunning they are. They’ve been keeping me awake so that my brain is weak and can’t see what they are up to. I'm onto them.

CuriousLord -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/24/2007 8:40:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 My thoughts are as follows. Many events that are spoken of as conspiracy theories, have elements about them that don`t make sense. I'd just like to point out the difference between an event and the interreptation/theory-of-"what actually happened". quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Questions that need an answer. If we take everything though, and turn the whole shebang into one big set of conspiracy theories. We run the risk of letting the truth go undetected. We can't tell the truth most of the time. We're human, and this predisposes us to far more ignorance than some might credit us with. We simply lack the means to understand everything, so I often feel it's best to work with what we can know. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Are we in danger of disbelieving everything and thereby letting the real conspiracies pass under the radar ? If we accept the conspiracy things so often, aren't we disbelieving the truth? As, empirically speaking, most conspiracy theories have proven to be false- wouldn't one believing in such things be more blind to the truth? You know something? I really could've gone on with life just as content without worrying if some intern sucked Clinton's dick or if Bush did pot. I truly hate that people are so gullible as to follow along this stuff. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. Who, in the right mind, gives a damn? Gah. I hate conspiracy theories. I often see people who tell them as being mental pacients, in a stray jacket in a white padded room, rocking themselves in a corner, whispering their sweet theories to themselves to comfort their inability to embrace reality. If someone really wanted to know the truth, they'd pick up a Physics book.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 12:20:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord If we accept the conspiracy things so often, aren't we disbelieving the truth? As, empirically speaking, most conspiracy theories have proven to be false- wouldn't one believing in such things be more blind to the truth? First we have to look at the definition of a conspiracy. It can be as few as 2 people secretly planning to steal your car. When you walk out and see 2 sets of foot prints in the snow and say there must have been a conspiracy to steal my car you would most likely be correct. The next thing to consider that people LOVE to just gloss over because it is inconvenient to deal with is the fact that for the wtc the us government claimed there was a conspiracy of 19 terrorists to wipe out the wtc and a couple days later announces not to listen to any conspiarcy theorists! Welcome to the dual pressure model applied to media control. I suppose few people bothered to watch the last video i posted where they admit they can take over a country without ever firing a shot simply through the use of the media. Nice huh? quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord If someone really wanted to know the truth, they'd pick up a Physics book. Ok kool. So here is a physics problem for you. Well a couple of them. First: The buildings were quote: "pulverized" and there was dust starting around 4" thick narrowing to 2" thick to the tune of 10 blocks wide and stretching across the other side of the bay with as much as 1/4 - 1/2 inch thick. Keeping that in mind: Roughly 90 000 tons of concrete were pulverized into an aerosol with a mean particle diameter was 100 Âµm. The required energy to pulverize concrete = 1.5 kWh/t FEMA claims that the potential energy of the tower is 110 000 kWh The mass of the tower above the ground level is roughly 250 000 tons distributed over 1300 feet Dimensions = 207x207x1300 Standard mix concrete weighs 2.5 ton/cu yd The floors were 4" thick -------------------------------------- The problem: 1) Calculate the potential energy from the mass of the building respectively. 2) Calculate the energy required to pulverize the concrete to an aerosol. 3) Illustrate how much is left to collapse the building. Finally read the fema reports and using the remaining energy explain how the building "pancaked" down as they claim. Run the math you will love the results :) (note some of this is just roughed in so do your own math except for weights and dimensions etc) oh and if you feel you need floor plans I can provide them for you too :) Oh I almost forgot, use 110 floors

CuriousLord -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 12:26:20 AM)
I don't suppose you could tell me why you want to believe that the government's behind 9/11?

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 12:27:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord I don't suppose you could tell me why you want to believe that the government's behind 9/11? I only asked that you run the math nothing more. Either the math will be reasonably close and we run with FEMA, NIST and ASCE being ligit or if the math is not close well then we have problems dont we? That and I am keeping this problem really simple because I am not incuding the energy to keep iron molten and "flowing" underground" for 7 weeks, and I am not including the energy it takes to break any steel or vaporize that steel into submicron particles as was found for the same 7 week period. So this is just cememnt floors as basic as it gets. Simple about 2 minutes tops cant even post that fast, 15 seconds to rough it in, in your head. you make a claim about physics and i have given you far more than enough to do a couple very simple calculations. Just waiting to hear your results or do I have to put up here for you? Maybe luckydog will do it since I did all the materials leg work, how about it lucky? Want to take a shot at it?

heartcream -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 12:55:28 AM)
i watched that zeitgeist movie and it left me a wreck. i liked it had no problem feelin it was real. loved the begiining bits about religion, have already incorprated some into my art. i cried alot after dat movie. i think this is the first time i have seen chia pet not be funny. sends a chill thru me. i feel folks who poopoo conspiracies completely are well, rednecks imo.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 1:01:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream i watched that zeitgeist movie and it left me a wreck. i liked it had no problem feelin it was real. loved the begiining bits about religion, have already incorprated some into my art. i cried alot after dat movie. i think this is the first time i have seen chia pet not be funny. sends a chill thru me. i feel folks who poopoo conspiracies completely are well, rednecks imo. Well that one didnt wrench me but this one did: The War On Democracy People are taught (programmed), to poo poo conspiracies, well except for those who personally investigate them, for some reason they are the ones who always have the problems and make conspiracy claims, and lets face it, it all has to be distributed to thte public some how and that is through the media. Remember gw? He told everyone "not" to listen to outrageous conspiracies. So I took his advice and I didnt. I listened to reasonable ones :) Anyone who mentions a conspiracy now days is immediately "ridiculed" and anyone who accuses an israeli of anything is a racist, or antisemite i am rapidly finding out. Of course the quickest way to get me digging is let me smell a rat and when people sweep things under the carpet or try use ridicule (and a host of other lame tactics), rather than rational discussion or pull race cards there are usually big ole smelly rats to be found in there somewhere. If Zeitgeist bothered you that much I would wait till you are with someone before you watch the war on democracy but I highly recommend it because it basically shows how its done along with the attitudes of the people who do it and how the citizenry really can take their country back so it has a smidge of a happy ending of sorts. Oh and i think you gotta admit that george carlin was awesome on that no? LMAO Floor is open peeps drop the numbers roughing it in is plenty close enough for government work, err i mean my purposes so lets take a looksie and see where the proverbial bear sheests in the buckwheat.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 1:44:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord If we accept the conspiracy things so often, aren't we disbelieving the truth? As, empirically speaking, most conspiracy theories have proven to be false- wouldn't one believing in such things be more blind to the truth? If someone really wanted to know the truth, they'd pick up a Physics book. Thinking more on that...... You must have seen the zapruder film of jfk getting his brains blown out right? The single gunman theory, oswald. Shooting from the book dep. Well I assume its pretty obvious to someone who is a physics major that if a bullet strikes someone in the back of the skull that their head wont fly backwards. If you see the zapruder film its more than obvious that since we know he had entry wounds in the back, and we know his head flew backward and to the left that there were at a minimum 2 shooters. Do you think the government was involved in that one? Oh and finally why was a BANKER on the warren commission? Maybe to read the will and handle the kennedy estate :)

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 7:00:55 AM)
quote: Thinking more on that...... You must have seen the zapruder film of jfk getting his brains blown out right? The single gunman theory, oswald. Shooting from the book dep. Well I assume its pretty obvious to someone who is a physics major that if a bullet strikes someone in the back of the skull that their head wont fly backwards. If you see the zapruder film its more than obvious that since we know he had entry wounds in the back, and we know his head flew backward and to the left that there were at a minimum 2 shooters. Do you think the government was involved in that one? Oh and finally why was a BANKER on the warren commission? Maybe to read the will and handle the kennedy estate :) A living thing will jerk and move in awkward directions when impacted by a bullet. They have done computer simulations of this entire event and have shown that it was absolutely possible and likely that Oswald was the shooter. Oswald was a nut and his movements before and after the assassination fit right into the investigative findings. I know that doesn't make for a good story. A lot of people loved Kennedy, and they just can't accept that their hero was cut down by a lonely man with severe emotional problems. Oswald did it, and that is just the way it is. My problem with conspiracy theories is that they never make any logical sense. You ask any veteran police officer about what to do when you want to get away with a crime, and he will tell you to limit the accomplices and keep your mouth shut. If the government had blown up the World Trade Center or the Murrah building, someone would have talked. You can't pull off an act like that involving that many people without someone talking. Conspiracy stories make for wonderful and exciting fiction, but life is not that exciting unfortunately. They aren't hiding alien space crafts in Nevada, the World Trade Center was blown up by Muslim fanatics, the Murrah building was blown up by a lonely, pathetic man that failed to succeed in life and love, and the Masons really are nothing more than a fraternal organization that gets together to drink beer and play cards.

Termyn8or -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 7:31:54 AM)
How long did you think I was going to let this go on unscathed ? Now we have been through physics, both on controlled demolition and the dynamics of a shooting. None of that means a thing. Conspiracy and cooperation might as well be the same words. It is all in who is talking and who is listening. That is the long and short of it. When conspirators succeed in a quest for power, it is no longer a conspiracy, it is cooperation. You don't see the rich getting richer, cooperating ? If they were bringing in drugs, or let's say lobsters under six ounces, or packaged wrong, or a hemp product, or a banned supplement or drug, like Laetril (vitamin B17), there would be a problem. Obviously a conspiracy. But because they bring us our life blood, oil, it is cooperation. Cooperation to loot Iraq. Then move the company to Dubai. See it is all in the definition. When the President puts out an executive order quelling "any attempt " which even means speech, which might even be the truth, we have a big problem. And if two or more people were to distribute anti-war literature it could be considered a conspiracy. Their choice, not ours. What Real said proves it, "don't listen to conspiracy theories". I just don't see why this is not plain and obvious to everyone. They conspired to take control of the US for their own gain. Now that they have done so, it is retroactively renamed "cooperated". Getit, gotit, good. Now what to do about it. T

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 8:57:15 AM)
I cannot remember the name of it, maybe someone else here does, but it was about information control. One of the things it has, was if information got out, you followed up with alot of extreme disinformation that seemed to support it, conspiracy theorist would grab and do your work for you, making it so the general public would write it off as just another paranoid delusion. Was a good book, and I believe in learning the tools of my enemy. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 My thoughts are as follows. Many events that are spoken of as conspiracy theories, have elements about them that don`t make sense. Questions that need an answer. If we take everything though, and turn the whole shebang into one big set of conspiracy theories. We run the risk of letting the truth go undetected. Are we in danger of disbelieving everything and thereby letting the real conspiracies pass under the radar ?

GhitaAmati -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 9:21:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord If someone really wanted to know the truth, they'd pick up a Physics book. You have seriously not been paying attention in your upper lever classes have you? The more higher physics and math I take, the more confused about the world around us I am. After a while you just have to come to the conclusion that there are things that just can not be explained by equations, but the more equations you learn, the more you want to try..... Have you ever wondered why high level engineers are required to take a phsycology class??

luckydog1 -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 9:28:32 AM)
Real, there is no need to do the math, when you set up a false premise. The pancaking did not start from the 110th floor, but from the around the 70th. With 30 plus floors falling onto one. We have been through this before, you are attempting to use Millers ridiculous work.. You are leaving out the explosion from the impact, as well as all the fires, and exploding things in the fire, there was natural gas flowing into the rubble keeping the fire burning for a long time. If you keep feeding a fire fuel it keeps burning, no real surprise. Now lets talk about your math and science skills, how is the cold Fusion/ perpetual motion machine coming along. It should have been running for a few months by now, right? Garbage in, Garbage out

Rule -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 10:05:10 AM)
The fires and impact were insignificant. Besides, there were no airplanes. There is no credible evidence whatsoever that the two towers nor the Pentagon were impacted by an airplane. What does matter is this: quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Roughly 90 000 tons of concrete were pulverized into an aerosol with a mean particle diameter was 100 Âµm. The required energy to pulverize concrete = 1.5 kWh/t FEMA claims that the potential energy of the tower is 110 000 kWh The mass of the tower above the ground level is roughly 250 000 tons distributed over 1300 feet 90 000 tons times 1.5 kWh = 135 000 kWh, which is 25 000 kWh more than the potential energy of one tower. So either the data supplied by RealOne is wrong, or the claim made by FEMA is wrong. That was just the energy required to pulverize the concrete. Yet more energy would have been required to bring down the core and outer columns.

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