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Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 7:53:23 AM   
MissL80


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Ok, here goes...
I hope this does start an argument, but not a lenching mob coming for Me! lol
I have heard this a lot, and I mean a lot in the last few weeks from subs, more so than usual.
I have been hearing that "Dommes" on here are asking for money either right when they contact or right when they are contacted by a sub/slave.
I have been hearing that there are fake "Dommes" on here and that is all they want. That they have nothing to do with the lifestyle. I feel that it is starting to give this website a bad rep. and that it is affecting Me as a Mistress as well.
What do you think?
Can anything be done,except for staying real?

Ps.... I am not bashing any Pro Domme, for they are upfront with what they do, and don't try to sneak it in.
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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 7:57:53 AM   
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Are you sure you didn't hear about this on the boards, since a topic like this is started every 2-3 days?  Or like the one you started yourself a month ago?

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 8:03:32 AM   
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It must be a problem if it is posted every two to three days on here. Hmmm, might be a clue, so get one.
My post a month ago was not the same as this one, try going back and re-reading it.. just a thought!

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 8:39:35 AM   
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Here's a hint, and no disrespect meant, but don't go bashing after posting.

The other thing is this...lazy ass fuckers who don't want to what a Domme says from go are just that way. Anyone on the net who isn't getting their way when it comes to something start callin "fake!" the minute they get the chance. And personally if a person has a problem with a Domme saying pay me first, I don't much care what they think after that. You want it you have to work for it period. These women are bombarded with bullshit oneliners and people searching for wank material. I'm not in for that game. Or the bullshit so I get why and I fully support Dommes who choose to put that up...after all they are to Women in Charge right?

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 8:51:00 AM   
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"Anyone on the net who isn't getting their way when it comes to something start callin "fake!" the minute they get the chance."  I agree with BoiJen there!

A lot of it is in the eye of the beholder, how they read it.


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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 8:56:55 AM   
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Stop complaining and use your delete button and block button and if they really annoy you use the report feature.

To each there own. Be more tolerant of others. you aren't the Goddess of Collarme


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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 9:20:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Here's a hint, and no disrespect meant, but don't go bashing after posting.

The other thing is this...lazy ass fuckers who don't want to what a Domme says from go are just that way. Anyone on the net who isn't getting their way when it comes to something start callin "fake!" the minute they get the chance. And personally if a person has a problem with a Domme saying pay me first, I don't much care what they think after that. You want it you have to work for it period. These women are bombarded with bullshit oneliners and people searching for wank material. I'm not in for that game. Or the bullshit so I get why and I fully support Dommes who choose to put that up...after all they are to Women in Charge right?



First, if you're going to criticize someone for bashing, at least be fair about it. The OP didn't bash anyone, but the first reply to it did. Mistress Lilith isn't guilty of anything except possibly overreacting to an unnecessary, mean-spirited post.

Second, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's not fair to call someone a "lazy ass fucker" just because they don't want to fall for a scam. It's foolish to trust a so-called domme who asks for money before she's even given any evidence that she's real. Chances are that it's not a domme at all, but a fat, lazy, slovenly man sitting at his computer, trying to milk the suckers for whatever he can get.

I completely understand the problem of dommes having their time wasted by wankers, and their need to do something to prove a sub is for real. But giving money up front, when the domme hasn't established her own credibility or identity, that's just damn foolish.

I don't worry much about domme profiles seeking cash up front; I just ignore them. But I admit that the proliferation of such things is not only annoying (it takes time to look at a profile before you see it's not worth looking at), but also lends credence to the idea of them being scams. It's much like pyramid schemes, chain letters, and get-rich-quick advertisements. Some shady characters start the idea, then others see the potential to make a quick, easy, sleazy buck, so they jump on the bandwagon.


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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 9:23:31 AM   
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If you don't like it don't approach the Domme...don't get fuckin mad about it.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 9:28:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

If you don't like it don't approach the Domme...don't get fuckin mad about it.


Who are you responding to? I didn't see anyone getting mad about it.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 11:57:25 AM   
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Seriously, this topic is so tired and so old.  If it's not for you, politely say no thanks and get on with your life.  Have you all nothing to do but to bitch about what other people do????   Let it go already.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 12:22:36 PM   
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here here MisPandora

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 2:36:06 PM   
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Like it or not, there does seem to be more scammers about lately. i got an email from someone today just saying "hey",  when i checked her profile she wanted tribute for online domination. i dont let it worry me and just ignore it, but that doesnt alter the fact im getting more and more of these emails.

Adds.... if any Domina`s want to send me a tribute im cool with that

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 2:45:07 PM   
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quote:

It must be a problem if it is posted every two to three days on here.


The problem seems to be in your perception.

Who are you to dictate what others can and can not do?

Who are you to judge what is "real" or "genuine"? Last I knew, there wasn't any hard and fast set in stone rules about how adults may relate to each other.

How others behave is a reflection upon them and them alone and says nothing about you. Sure, we have some things in common that make us a part of a community - but we are each individual. Domme A may like corporal, Domme B may like feet... but that does not imply that all Dommes have the same proclivities, or that Domme A and B even share their joy for pain or feet (or both!) in common! I'd only be concerned about yourself and pursuing your own desires, rather than worrying about what anyone else is up to, provided the play they engage in is consensual.

Clearly, there is a market for those that want to be financially dominated. Where there is a demand, there will be a supply. As long as everyone is honest and "ethical" (RACK) about how they want to play, how people play is their perogative. Not for you? Don't participate. But just because a kink is not for you, doesn't necessarily mean it's not a perfectively valid kink for others.

Seriously, the horse is dead, beaten, tenderized and dog food at this point.


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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 3:01:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Like it or not, there does seem to be more scammers about lately. i got an email from someone today just saying "hey",  when i checked her profile she wanted tribute for online domination. i dont let it worry me and just ignore it, but that doesnt alter the fact im getting more and more of these emails.

Adds.... if any Domina`s want to send me a tribute im cool with that


--disclaimer--
I'm not ranting -at- you ps, your post just happened to inspire me. :)

Supply and demand.

Really, it's just one of those things that is. (Un?)Fortunately, there is a market for financial domination. Some people are willing to be rather shadey about how they go about it, some are fairly ethical about it. It is what it is.

You can participate, or not. You can bitch about it, or not. Either way, the fetish is still there, and regardless of fetish: the market is there. I, for one, don't have the patience to filter through the throngs of "do me's" that want something for nothing, nor can I resolve myself to manipulate those that are willing to tribute. Again, I think given a negotiated and consensual context, it's a perfectly valid kink, but for me personally, I would just feel kind of manipulative and guilty opportunistically leveraging or accepting tributes from any number of dudes that I probably don't particularly like.

On the other hand, I'm all for freely given tributes and they make me all giddy like a schoolgirl. I guess it's the whole leveraging part that doesn't resonate with me. :)

But to get back to the point I had originally thought of, I guess you boys get a little bit of a taste of what many women (particularly dommes, though being a switch I get the best and worst of both worlds on here...) deal with. Lots of emails that are just way out in left field for what you really want, with little to no consideration for you as a person or anything that you've stated.

For either, the answer is the same: Ahh, delete button, my precious.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 3:22:17 PM   
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i am glad i inspired You Ma`am..... i await Your cheque £££ with baited breath 

Getting back to what people post, its a free internet forum so i guess anything and everything will get posted. i have a tendency to read everything and either respond or move on, Just as i do with me emails.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/28/2007 3:35:25 PM   
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Oh for GODS Sake!  I am sooooo freakin' tired of this damn topic!  yeah, yeah I know, then why am I posting to it?.  Because I can't resist throwing my 2 cents in.    I haven't heard anything about CM getting a bad rep.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/29/2007 12:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


Adds.... if any Domina`s want to send me a tribute im cool with that

*rains paper money down around polite sub's head....

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/29/2007 3:17:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Seriously, this topic is so tired and so old.  If it's not for you, politely say no thanks and get on with your life.  Have you all nothing to do but to bitch about what other people do????   Let it go already.

With all respect MisPandora She is also referring to the reputation of the site, and it does cause a big stain to Collarme's credibility in the online BDSM community.  Did you know this site is now called "the Jerry Springer Show" of BDSM?  It's not good for anyone, and i would also like to see something done about it, which She is asking.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/29/2007 3:31:57 AM   
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iammachine inspired me to write this, about the popular "something for nothing" attitude of some Dommes. 
i beleive that in a D/s relationship, the service and submission of the bottom is the "payment" for the dominance and discipline of the Dominant, and vice versa.  It's not a popular opinion, but i know, that when i serve i pour my heart into it, and when i try to get to know a Domme and She says "Oh, that'll be so and so amount of dollars for My services" i get offended, because i would pour as much into the relationship as She would.

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RE: Money from the start? What are they thinking? - 8/29/2007 5:03:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ClandestinedOne

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Seriously, this topic is so tired and so old.  If it's not for you, politely say no thanks and get on with your life.  Have you all nothing to do but to bitch about what other people do????   Let it go already.

With all respect MisPandora She is also referring to the reputation of the site, and it does cause a big stain to Collarme's credibility in the online BDSM community.  Did you know this site is now called "the Jerry Springer Show" of BDSM?  It's not good for anyone, and i would also like to see something done about it, which She is asking.


Is it Collarme's credibility of being filled with so-called money dommes (and let's not forget their counterparts - the masses of males who are only looking for wanking material and/or no-strings sex/play, of which there are arguably far more online) REALLY an issue?   In what way is Collarme somehow worse at drawing out these characters than say Alt or Bondage or AOL or mIRC or any of the other sites out there?  Who exactly is calling Collarme the "Jerry Springer Show" of BDSM, and what is their credibility in the scene?

Most importantly, what do you suggest is an effective and equitable way to identify and remove both the money dommes and the male wankers (because they are indeed two sides of the same coin)?  How will you prevent them from then returning under other names?  How will the hours needed to weed out these undesirables be funded since this is a free site?

To me, the heart of the issue is that people are coming online and <gasp> finding people that they're not interested in meeting/associating with - which isn't surprising, really.   When was the last time you went to any large group and every last person was someone you liked and wanted to associate with and held the same moral values you did?  This topic has been beaten to death, and the only real answer is that if the money thing isn't what you're into - delete, ignore, and move on. 

Heck, if you'd emailed me, I'd have deleted your email and put you on ignore because I don't like "subs" whose profiles are little more than a list of sexual likes.  I don't think it's a very smart thing to do if you're looking for a relationship to have a profile like that (sounds more like a wankers to me), and I wouldn't want to be in contact with you, but I'm not going to go shouting to the boards that people like you make this site a joke and that you don't have any right to be here.  I don't have unrealistic expectations (delusions of grandeur) that everyone online is going to behave in a way that I find appropriate.

This topic is such a dead horse.   It's brought up several times a week under many guises, almost exclusively by someone who's posted less than a handful of times, and then more often than not, doesn't participate in the conversation.  They insist SOMETHING should be done about it but are rather short on practical, workable ideas on how to make sure everyone fits into what they find appropriate to their views and definitions of BDSM.

It's really really easy to target money dommes and complain about them, but those that do never really seem to be interested in addressing the fact that it is indeed some people's kink, that there are plenty of men online willing to give them money (however wise or unwise that may be), and most importantly, who really has the authority to pass judgement on what they do.   

You may find them personally annoying and an insult to what you do, etc, but believe me - there's someone out there that feels the same way about you for reasons that they find perfectly valid.

The only REAL solution is for you to financially support your own site and do all the work filtering people out that fit into your ideals of what is undesirable.   However, be prepared  - there will still be people with credibility in the scene that call YOUR site the "Jerry Spring of the BDSM world".

Think about it.

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