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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 7:16:50 PM   
LdyScarletDomina


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Status: offline 		Wow - OP I am so amazed.  I HATE to cook and thankfully the Master understands so we share the cooking. 

Although, I am absolutely forbidden to use onions in any dish - onion powder fine, but no onions.  He says its like trying to eat worms LOLOLOL

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 7:23:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		This topic has got me to thinking. I emailed the OP for clarification., I think I may be over analyzing it.
The OP writes :  If it comes in a box, bag, or bottle I cannot use it.
I consider myself a very healthy eater/cook. But Milk comes in a bottle/carton. How about Barley ? Not instant barley, but whole grain barley. Mine comes in a box. Split peas, black eyed peas, pink peas, pidgeon peas... all come in a bag or box. < dried>  . " Fresh "  fruits and veggies at the local supermarket or  produce store come in a crate/box before they are put out on the shelves. Even if you get your butter, fresh churned at the dairy farm, it is boxed/wrapped, so to speak. And so many more items that are considered healthy that in some areas of the country are just not available in the purest form. Eggs, even from the farm, are boxed.
I admit, I do use some processed foods, and could not live by the rules set by Ghitas Master.  But if the rules are as literal as I am interpreting them, I would be hard pressed to make any complete healthy meal here where I am, without hours and hours of prep time a day. And being one who lives alone there would be a whole lot of waste. I eat about three slices of bread a week, so to make my own bread would be a waste of good food and time. Please note: I do not like frozen bread, it is yucky, I buy mini loaves of bread form the bakery. I love noodles and pasta, I do not make my own, but buy them freshly made at ethnic grocers, but they are boxed or packaged. Salt?... 99% of us use it, but I doubt many of us mine it. We get it from a box, bottle or bag. < even those of you who proclaim to be 100% from scratch >

I do not see anything wrong with Ghita's way of cooking/meal prep. I am just trying to realize the amount of time and energy she must put into it all and still maintain a household.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 7:33:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		He won't eat Brussel Sprouts OR Broccolli! (I love all veggies).
When I cook I limit 'boxed foods' and stuff like that. Frozen foods, premixed pastas and the like don't live in my pantry.


I saw it as a restriction on pre proccessed foods, not for things like bottled milk or a bag of rice.
Personally I think it is awesome that her family is growing up with whole foods instead of additives, preservatives and artificial colors.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 7:58:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

He won't eat Brussel Sprouts OR Broccolli! (I love all veggies).
When I cook I limit 'boxed foods' and stuff like that. Frozen foods, premixed pastas and the like don't live in my pantry.


I saw it as a restriction on pre proccessed foods, not for things like bottled milk or a bag of rice.
Personally I think it is awesome that her family is growing up with whole foods instead of additives, preservatives and artificial colors.


I have no issue with it either. And  I thought the same as you.. pre processed... cool.. no prob. But this made me re think it, or perhaps as I said over analyze it:
Snip:
"yea, he does make exceptions, sometimes things, especially grains, some dried herbs, olive oil...things like that he will allow but I have to ask him about it first and he has to see the product before I can buy it and use it. Most of our fruit and veggies comes from local produce stands and stuff, so he isnt really referring to the bag they put it in to carry it home, more like sealed bags and boxes of products that are shipped out and stuff"
I buy pure olive oil, it comes in a bottle, no additives or preservatives. I happen to live in New England where the growing season is short, so come late fall and winter, there is no " fresh produce ", so I have to buy from a market that ships things in. I happen to think that despite not being off the vine, so to speak, it is healthier than canned veggies or fruit.
Honestly, I am not criticizing, I am  pondering  what I would do if that restriction were put on me and the fact that I consider myself a " from scratch kinda girl". I live on homeade soup and stews in the winter. BUT, the veggies are shipped in, the meat is pre packaged. yes I could go kill my own cattle, moose, deer, elk But I just don't have the time.. or quite frankly the guts to do it. I canmot get garden fresh veggies, and I happen to despise canned veggies of any kind, even home canned. Grains up here are pretty much all shipped in/boxed.

It's more an academic pondering for me, not a judgemental thing.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 8:46:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: softness

smiles ... I used to have a good game with  very dear One ... occassionally we would have a "letter for the day" I couldn't eat anything beginning with that letter and had to fnd the most interesting word beginning with that letter. It was pure silliness on both our parts but silliness that we cherished.

A - is a bad day because Additives are fooking everywhere. B was boring because that was "baked goods" out the window
very occassionally we would have days when i could only eat food starting with a particular letter ... I used to pray for C - cheese, cake, cream, chocolate, candy, cherries, chips, crisps, curry etc etc ... I got punished once with a "Y" weekend- living off yoghurt was very introspective believe me.


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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 8:48:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: suitemindcrime

WOW

i would love to be able to do this, and since i'm relocating to place where i can have a garden, i can at least have fresh veggies and fruits to freeze for the winters. w00t.

Does anyone have a good "from scratch" website that i could read? i would love to get into this again.

i have a small message board that i use for recipes, and if someone wants it, i can share.



I know of a couple awesome cook from scratch message boards. PM if you want the addressess- they are both fundamentalist Christian based, so I won't link them here.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 9:15:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ghita,
Good Job for you!!!!
There were times when my Master had a girl on the "cave man" diet. Basically he said if it wasnt around 1000 years ago DON"T EAT IT. That means no processed foods, no sugar, no additive, no preservatives, nothing box, NOTHING WITH A LABLE.
See that was a tricky one. Trying to make and buy foods that did not have a  bar code on it. 
This was a temporary thing and soon Master might put a girl back on it. But i can see how a strict form of cooking not only enforces his power on you, but think about it, you guys are eating healthy too.  This world has too much crap in the food that we are killing ourselves just by what we eat.  Its difficult to have to prepare your food as such, but think about the long term benefits.
Good for the both of you!!!
sincerely,
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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/28/2007 11:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

This topic has got me to thinking. I emailed the OP for clarification., I think I may be over analyzing it.
The OP writes :  If it comes in a box, bag, or bottle I cannot use it.
I consider myself a very healthy eater/cook. But Milk comes in a bottle/carton. How about Barley ? Not instant barley, but whole grain barley. Mine comes in a box. Split peas, black eyed peas, pink peas, pidgeon peas... all come in a bag or box. < dried>  . " Fresh "  fruits and veggies at the local supermarket or  produce store come in a crate/box before they are put out on the shelves. Even if you get your butter, fresh churned at the dairy farm, it is boxed/wrapped, so to speak. And so many more items that are considered healthy that in some areas of the country are just not available in the purest form. Eggs, even from the farm, are boxed.
I admit, I do use some processed foods, and could not live by the rules set by Ghitas Master.  But if the rules are as literal as I am interpreting them, I would be hard pressed to make any complete healthy meal here where I am, without hours and hours of prep time a day. And being one who lives alone there would be a whole lot of waste. I eat about three slices of bread a week, so to make my own bread would be a waste of good food and time. Please note: I do not like frozen bread, it is yucky, I buy mini loaves of bread form the bakery. I love noodles and pasta, I do not make my own, but buy them freshly made at ethnic grocers, but they are boxed or packaged. Salt?... 99% of us use it, but I doubt many of us mine it. We get it from a box, bottle or bag. < even those of you who proclaim to be 100% from scratch >

I do not see anything wrong with Ghita's way of cooking/meal prep. I am just trying to realize the amount of time and energy she must put into it all and still maintain a household.

                                                    mbmbn


I might be wrong, but I took the OP's post when she said "If it comes in a box, bag, or bottle I cannot use it." to mean things like: canned fruits and veggies, boxed mac and cheese/hamburger helper type foods. 

Obviously, all foods are going to come in some sort of packaging (well...short of the fresh produce maybe)...even meat from the butcher straight off the rack is going to require packaging to get it home.  So I think maybe it might be over-thinking. 

I guess it could be taken to extremes, but unless they live on a fully functional farm, that could get to be something of a tall order (unless they're on a really limited diet of only what they grown and raise, which isn't entirely unheard of I guess.)

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 12:43:31 AM   
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Never worry about giving a rare steak lover food poisoning. All that blood makes us immune to it.

The only good steak is a rare steak.



there is NOTHING more distressing to a rare steak fan than some goober who whines and cries about your food "not being dead yet!" as he hacks away at a slice of shoe leather that used to be meat.

kitten, who prefers rare steak, and who lives in a household of wimp-males who cant stand the sight of the blood....


I can't eat rare steak. My stomach gets very mad at me when I do. Very mad.


there's a difference between "i cant eat it" and running down other people's food choices because you dont like/cant eat it. 

i've dumped my dinner in the trash more than once after hearing wolf disparage my choices.  after about the 20th time, he finally started to buy a clue.  i cannot/will not eat when my food is being called things that turn my stomach.  worse than when my ex was eating spaghetti and talking about autopsy results ...*that* didnt bother me.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 2:37:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Ill write out again here my basic cooking rules, and given thats it actually about the ONLY direct rules in my entire relationship, its never really bothered me, but it does make some things rather stressful with 4 kids in a house. I can not use anything that comes pre processed in any way. If it comes in a box, bag, or bottle, I am not allowed to buy it without express permission from him.


I haven't read all the comments, but Ghita, four kids in the house and no ketchup or American Cheese slices or cheerios is simply mind boggling to me. Simply and utterly mind boggling.

I am amazed. I am stunned. I'm completely at a loss as to how to weather those first few years without american cheese to nibble on, cheerios to put in a baggie for those errands in the car and well ketchup...need I say more?! Kids...virtually any food...ketchup. I didn't think having kids without ketchup in the house was even ALLOWED!! *grin*

More power to you!!

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 2:40:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LdyScarletDomina

Wow - OP I am so amazed.  I HATE to cook and thankfully the Master understands so we share the cooking. 

Although, I am absolutely forbidden to use onions in any dish - onion powder fine, but no onions.  He says its like trying to eat worms LOLOLOL

Lady Scarlet


lol.. Next time you're feeling brave and he brings this comment up, just tell him "but...fish do it all the time!! You like fish, don't you?"

What can I say. It's one of those kind of mornings around here lol

juliet

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 2:47:29 AM   
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Never worry about giving a rare steak lover food poisoning. All that blood makes us immune to it.

The only good steak is a rare steak.



Couldn't agree more! The rarer the better for me (and even 'rare' tends to be overcooked, give me blue!) - as they say, 'pull out its' horns, wipe its' arse and put it on the plate.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 3:11:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lord id be so bad at this, im a reasonably good cook, i improvise and eat healthy...I can handle instruction on what someone does and doesn't like to eat...
But as for how to make something or what to and what not to use....would be difficult for me unless the domme was a better cook than I....after all you don't tell picasso how to paint lol

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 3:31:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're awesome for cooking that way, Ghita, and your Master for demanding it.  As a personal trainer and weight loss consultant, I advocate my clients to shop around the outside of the grocery store, ie produce, breads, fresh meat, fresh dairy, instead of up and down the box aisles.  Granted there are some things in the aisles that are a must have like toilet paper and dish soap ;)  So your not buying anything pre-packaged and being picky on olive oils, etc, is a very refreshing situation for me to read.   Think back about 100 years when KD and hotdogs hadn't yet been invented.  People ate fresh and organically grown meat (and the byproducts like milk, cheese and eggs), produce and baked their own bread from all-natural sources.  There wasn't the overwhelming evidence of heart disease, blood pressure and cholesterol problems, diabetes and obesity that there is today.  Ah, if we could all be such healthy eaters as your family obviously is. 

As to getting it all into the um's...I wish you the best in that.  But if they are brought up to eat properly and healthily and get past the outside influences to demand cookies and KD, it will stick with them - honest.  I started mine from the outset and explained why they were eating what they were and how much good it did for the bodies and at 18 and 20, they still prefer homemade meals (from scratch) to pizza.  Now if I could just get them to learn to cook it.....;)

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 3:45:00 AM   
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I have for all the 18 years of My UM life, made a home cooked meal EVERY night---no bags, no boxes, nope.  I can and freeze fresh things for the winter and raise a sizeable veg garden.


Lol, when my ums were home i had a two acre garden, i had chickens, raised a pair of hogs, and two steers every year, bought all my fruit from pick your own farms, or the Amish.
 
I froze everything i could and canned the rest, jelly and pickles included.
 
When the last one went to college and my then Master passed away i lived on Campbell's soup and peanut butter sandwiches. Why? Because it was easy!
 
Now most of our food comes from the local market which only sells local farm raised meat and also purchases most of it's produce locally.
 
 I grew up eating everything. Scooter will eat anything except seafood salad and tuna casserole. Jewel however is a very picky eater. The only meat she eats is ground beef or chicken breast that i have taken all the "nasties" off of and diced into cubes. No veggies for her that are not canned peas, corn, green beans period. No tomato or onion chunks, no pieces of anything green, not even my fresh herbs, nothing she can't identify as a pea or green bean. She loves their flavor, she just does not want to see them.
 
So i cook around her, i use the blender a lot to pulverize those ingredients she won't eat if she finds them, sometimes cooking her something else.
 
But i have to say i am really proud of her because since i started cooking she has tried all kinds of new things, quite a few of which she loves (i rarely tell her what is in anything). Which is a big deal, even her adult ums are amazed at some of the things she eats now. 

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 8:22:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok...Ill try to answer some of the questions I got...both here and on the other side...

Milk...milk comes from a cow...therefore so does butter....I havent managed to perfect cheese making yet, but we arent really big cheese eaters anyway. We dont drink alot of cows milk though anyway, even straight from the cow its not really as good for you as they make you believe. You can get more calcuim out of juicing some fresh veggies than you can out of a glass of milk, and milk is full of sugars.....

Produce comes either from our own land, or other local growers. Some produce comes from a local organic grocery store, but not much.

Meat, we do have cattle and chickens, and a few hogs....but most of our meat comes from a local butcher who uses meat that hasnt been injected with growth hormones and antibiotics. I occasionally thin down our chicken population myslef but if we butcher anything else I take it to the butcher and have him do it.

Spices and herbs.....most herbs I can grow myself, and spices Sir usually allows be to buy in a bottle...I told you before he does make some exceptions. No spice mixes, IE Mrs Dash, things like that....

Its possible to can and freeze things.....but we try not to too much, veggies for winter time, things like that, but freezing kills the enzymes in plants that make them healthy for you...

We juice alot...pretty much twice a day.....

We arent vegetarians, but we definantly eat more plant matter than animal matter....

grains, rice, oatmeal.....we buy these in bulk from the same organic grocery store nearby.....my uncle tried to grow rice in the swamp, but it didnt work...

Yes it adds time, but its not impossible. A good bit of my neighborhood eats somewhat the same way...the garden is a community garden that about 15 families share in the upkeep of, the cattle,  goats, and chickens are the same.....It makes more sense once you realize everyone within 5 miles of me is related.

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Cheating....yes...we "cheat"...we go out to resteraunts occasionally, although we are kinda picky about where we go and what we eat there. Every once in a while Sir will buy ice cream...I make the kids birthday cakes using processed flour....when we are at our families we dont refuse to eat what they serve....but when it all boils down, it comes to maybe once a month? And I can definantly feel the difference in my body when I eat something processed. Ill have a tummy ache for the rest of the day.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 8:33:35 AM   
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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 9:15:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't seem absurd to me. i pretty much follow the same guidlines you do, but they are Sir's preferences and not set in stone. We have 5 living children who are 13 months to 7 years old, so i know how difficult it can be! He does give me a lot of leeway if someone is sick or just incredibly crabby on a particular day and it would be far too difficult to do it all perfectly.

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 10:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		To clarify my "pickiness": I'm a pro. I know how and why to make many things that are often conveniences to others. So what Ghita is describing is moderately similar to me at home on a normal day. I do have some cans and some cartons of white sugar for testing recipes (I normally use maple sugar), but for the most part, what I get I try to either buy fresh or make from fresh.

Pickles? Make 'em. Mayo? ditto. Bread? I make a damn fine sourdough.

What's funny is that I'm contemplating merging this with the needs of others... including UMs. That'll be fun!

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RE: Cooking Restrictions..among others - 8/29/2007 11:02:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		See, here's my thought,  I feel dominants should have the will power and control to set up things and follow through, even if they're setting things up for themself.  I know that's kind of idealistic probably though, cause humans are fallable and I know eating properly isn't always an option.
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Well, I kind of try......the key word is TRY.....to impose this sort of eating on myself. I am not always sucessful but it is a good goal.


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