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chains314 -> what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 4:08:17 PM)

Duse some  one just wake up and decide thy or a master it seems to me thy or wonting a excuse to beat up and abuse a women .And  think that if thy call them self master its OK then



Celeste43 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 4:32:15 PM)

Not all tops are into s & m. Not all bottoms either.

There are plenty of d/s relationships that don't include pain play. Think of the standard 1950's marriage. The man earned the money and made the major decisions, as to what car to buy, which house to buy, where to go on vacation. The wife had input, because it's pretty stupid to not have someone else there who might see things you miss, yet not allow her to help stop you from making dumb mistakes.

There are plenty of people who just like pain play and aren't interested in taking/giving control.

You have a closed mind. I suggest losing it and learning about things before making pronouncements that may cause people to point fingers and laugh.

I wasn't going to get into the difficulty of reading and understanding your writing, but that needs work before you will be taken seriously.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 4:36:08 PM)

Before you come to the forums and proclaim your comment, you might want to do a few things.

A) work on your presentation. Make it legible if nothing else.
B) Dont make unfounded accusations. Random thoughts are great, but they belong in the random stupidity section.
C) If you are going to ask a question, make it one worth asking.  All you are doing here is opening yourself up for a LOT of flaming.

You have been warned, when you open a can of worms, be ready for all the squirming

DV



DaughterSlave -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 4:38:02 PM)

He must be:
Handsome
Well buit
caring and loving
wants the best for his slave
can take her where she's never been before.



iammachine -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 4:41:23 PM)

You did what to who for how many cookies? Your post is exceedingly difficult to read, dude, and I'm wondering if there's a bridge missing it's troll.

Anyway, by my personal definition, "master" is a measure of skill moreso than a category or inclination. So and so is a master of something - a skill, a property. The word means different things to different people, but that's my personal feelings on the matter. By my definition, no, someone cannot just wake up and decide they are a master, as that is something you grow into.

Can someone wake up and just decide they are dominant? Eh, I imagine it isn't so simple as something that happens over night, but I am sure there are those that have had such epiphanies. How a person comes to realize who they are and where their inclinations lie are as unique as the person.

Dominance and submission does not equate to abuse. Sure, there are unethical people in the BDSM community, as there are in every walk of life, but I think it is a wild injustice to assume that it's the norm. Someone can have a D/s or M/s dynamic devoid of S&M...and regardless, I really don't see how "beating" someone that consents to it is abuse, provided all parties are consenting with sound mind (not having been coerced) and their limits are respected.

You are also assuming a male Dominant/sadist, female submissive/masochist... which is an incredibly narrow (and skewed) perspective! What about the plethora of other dynamics and orientations that exist?



mmb1 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 5:11:33 PM)

I just personally ignore the rest and know I have the best!  And yes, I amde a rhyme :)



mmb1 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 5:12:44 PM)

(made) sorry have to correct that spelling, or i will correct everyone elses :)



SirDraco7 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 5:25:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chains314

Duse some  one just wake up       And  think that if thy call them self master its OK then


Perhaps this is a hijack.  Perhaps this is a tangent.  However I took away the middle of your statement to make somewhat of a logical question and thought.  I apologize to the op but it says what you wanted to say, just in a better way.  
And it's to this that I shall reply to.

First of all, for the past several years I've been under the opinion that people are and will always be incorrect more often than not in reguards to themselves.  Be it overly negative or overly positive.
As such, my opinion is that a person cannot judge themselves ever.

How many times have you seen or known someone who says(and women I apologize) "I feel fat"  " I'm ugly"  Or as the case may be in d/s " I'm a Master"  "I'm a slave"  and have the person speaking be anything but that which they say?
Because of this I long ago formed the opinion that you are as other people see you.  To judge for yourself, to believe it and to ignore all else is narrow minded and foolish.
I can go around saying I'm smart and wise.  it doesn't make such true unless others around me think it's true as well.  Should others disagree and think I'm an idiot for saying such what am I, smart and wise because it's what I say, or an idiot because it's what the rest of the world thinks?  ::shrugs::
The same is true with BDSM.  A Master is not a Master unless those around them think and say he is.    To blindly trust what someone says or claim to be is to be just as foolish as they are.

Now onto the topic at hand, what makes someone a Master?  Are you born? I would say people can be born with dominant instincts.  Childhood experiences can also add to a developing and dominant personality.  But in my opinion what makes a Master a Master is time.  Just because a Dominant personality is Dominant, it does not make them a Master.  A Master must learn to be one, must grow into being one.  It can be a quick trip and growth, or a long rocky one, but in my opinion, that is how one becomes a Master.
Does that mean that a young 18 yo cannot be a Master?  No.  But then again, one cannot dive head first into the water and expect to become an expert swimmer right away either.  Some might.  Others  would need time.  And still others would drown.

Just my thoughts and opinions and hijack.  Feel free to pick them apart at your leasure.  :)



goalie62 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 5:33:19 PM)

I like your reasoning.  It gives me hope that maybe I can learn still.



chains314 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 6:38:20 PM)

IT reads fine its like when some one is telling it like it is and you don't wont to hear it then you attack them for some thing to make you look better



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 6:42:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chains314

Duse some  one just wake up and decide thy or a master it seems to me thy or wonting a excuse to beat up and abuse a women .And  think that if thy call them self master its OK then


I think they just print up a diploma off the web that says: "I'm a Master"

LOL



RedheadGirlNY -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 7:22:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chains314

IT reads fine its like when some one is telling it like it is and you don't wont to hear it then you attack them for some thing to make you look better


You weren't being attacked, you were being gently told that your writing is difficult to read.   You weren't being attacked, you were being told that your presentation, grammar and spelling need attention if you are to be taken seriously. 

The folks above this post were nice, darn it!

Telling your truth in your words is your perogative.  That it "reads fine" to you doesn't imply that it will do the same for anyone else.  Perhaps writing and letting an objective party read/interpret before posting would be of some help.  Draco's observation that  "a person cannot judge themselves ever" resonates here.

Another way I've seen it parsed: "We only exist in the conversations of others."  I take it to mean that my reality may be at odds with that of those who are listening to me.  If I think I sound intelligent and others think I sound like a buffoon, who's right?

It only matters if you consider the conversations with others worthwhile.  Else, you're simply spouting off for your own edification and as such, none of what anyone else says matters.

Red








Slaveless1 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 8:37:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chains314

Duse some  one just wake up and decide thy or a master it seems to me thy or wonting a excuse to beat up and abuse a women .And  think that if thy call them self master its OK then


First off try a spell check program. Secondly, I am sure there are some 5th graders out there that can help you with punctuation.

You have a warped mind and have been locked away way to long to even come up with such a ridiculous question. Most obviously from your post you know nothing at all about this lifestyle. BDSM is not a ticket or free pass to beat on unsuspecting women. It is the meeting of like minds to help accomplish the same idealisms they each own. How dare you come here and give us your infantile thoughts. You need to shut up and do a lot more research before you open your misspelled keyboard to the rest of this community.

you sir owe Everyone here an apology !!!



rmanrr -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 9:08:46 PM)

Greetings
to the OP....I would tell you but then I would have to kill you....(without reading any other post here).



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/29/2007 9:11:11 PM)

I think I need to work on my humor alittle more...LOL

(or maybe my timing?)



chains314 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 2:04:21 AM)

 I just ask a question that a sub ask me hopping to get a better answer then i could give .Me not being a master . as for as my knowing any thing about the life style i have Bean in it for over 30 years 



littlebitxxx -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 2:54:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chains314

I just ask a question that a sub ask me hopping to get a better answer then i could give .Me not being a master . as for as my knowing any thing about the life style i have Bean in it for over 30 years 


If you have been "in the lifestyle" for over 30 years and still don't know what makes a Master.....on second thought, don't answer that, I shudder to consider.



chains314 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 3:36:06 AM)

 i see  why the sub ask me  she really wonted to know  asking  hear  only got her ridiculed and insulted  . when we find fault in other's we tend over look or own



puella -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 3:50:26 AM)

I think you may be getting a bit overly aggressive and offended by people's response to you.  Given the OP and your continual lack of clarity in terms of spelling, grammar and punctuation, would it be fair to assume that you have a learning disorder?  I know there are a couple of other people who post here  on the forums for whom, until it was understood that they were dislexic, the seeming lack of care and attention (not to mention clarity) was regarded as laziness and sloppiness on the  part of the readers...perhaps that is the case here as well?

That might explain the over aggression as well...though you have chosen very accuastory words in all of your posts so if you consider that you might better understand why people are being 'tough' on your stance.




chains314 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 4:29:44 AM)

Well perhaps so or i may just not think it was a grammar and spelling test
when how other folks spell or type becomes a big issue  to me then i will know i better back up and take a good look at my self and see what i am hiding .

We all have faults and we all have Strong points  you may not think you do but you have . I would much rather have some one working with me that if i sad to go fix some thing that would go fix it Rather then to have them say  i spelled it wrong or its not worded right



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