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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/1/2007 2:51:31 PM   
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But anyone implying that my personal lifestyle choice to have my slave wear colorful clown hair as a symbol of her devotion is in fact the wrong way to do things brings a big chuckle out of me.


I've been meaning to ask you if she has time around 10:30 next Saturday for a children's birthday party....
 
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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/1/2007 3:08:14 PM   
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Just a quick little reply for me. If I had earnt my collar and accepted it then it is to me a symbol that I am his. If something should go wrong & we are no longer together then for me wearing the collar would be a lie and an oh so painful one at that.

Also if we have separated I am no longer his (The main thing the collar represents) so I have no right to keep it.. I would surrender it willingly and use that as my closure... the motivation to move on.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/1/2007 3:29:33 PM   
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Dear goalie62, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am admittedly an old fashioned individual.  However, in my experiences in the lifestyle the collar was often custom made for their slave(s) and the 'spirit' was put into the collar just as much as the skill in making it.  These days go back to when there was no 'leather rack' or whips and tails shops to select and buy, off you go.  You made your own whips, bondage gear and --collars and cuffs.  I suppose one could call it the process of being 'final leather.'  I am of the school where no collar was recycled and or reissued.
 
The protocol I follow is I pick the collar that suits the slave.  It is a choice I make and of course the slave can make their desires known but, it is my purchase, my property and my symbol of our special relationship with my slave.  I want my property back when my slave breaks their relationship with me.  I put a curse on that collar that is not returned as to me, it is theft to me as much as a disrespect of the understanding of the protocols agreed to when that collar was considered being placed on a person's neck and when it was locked in place.  I see it as a contract--a bond.  It is a physical symbol of that bond/contract.  In a way, it is much like giving a token of the office or title to a person.  If I give you the badge of an office, when you retire or resign from that office, it is returned.  The importance to me is what it represents.
 
That said.  I am comfortable in keeping with the protocols about collars, to which I keep the collar of 'what was.'  Place it in honor in a alter or display case to honor the slave as much as honor what was.  I am within the old fashioned protocol of allowing a slave to keep the collar as a reminder of what special relationship we had.  I have buried the collar with my deceased slave's body in the past but, for others --they need to make their desires on the what if's if you loose a slave and must bury them.  Refusal to give it back though, in my mind's eyes --is an insult.  These collars are more than a play collar, training collar--it is a slave collar.  It is no different than wearing my colors or heraldry.  When they leave service, my heraldry should remain within my family.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 

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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/1/2007 6:32:54 PM   
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The collar will be removed to provide me a sense of closure and will be placed in a place of honor to remember her by as she is still very special to me.  It will never be worn by anyone else.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/2/2007 8:30:09 AM   
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I really can't imagine him wanting it back.  To do what with it?


For sentimental reasons?  D-types have feelings too...


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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/2/2007 5:24:12 PM   
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Dear ImpGrrl, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I must add my voice to being one of those sentimental individuals and identify as a Dominant.  I think at times people forget that Dominants have feelings and perhaps more sentimental over things when there is a wonderful association.  Tokens allow us to visually see and or touch something that has profoundly touched our lives.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Collar Protocol - 9/3/2007 4:38:02 PM   
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I believe the OP is correct.  In the top shelf of our cabinet, we have our former slave's collar.  She belongs to another now, though we still play with her on occasion.  Her collar waits for her...for the day, if it should ever come, that she submits to us once again, and we claim her as our property.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/1/2007 7:10:57 PM   
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I agree with Lady Hugs and ImpGrrl:

The collar belongs to the Owner/Master/Mistress/Dom. It indicates to All that the slave is Owned by its Owner.

That goes for Ownership collars, though. I do reuse My collar of Consideration and My collar of Training. These are temporary conditions, so they are temporary collars.

If the slave has to leave its Owner, then the Ownership collar, belonging to said Owner, stays with the Owner. The clothing and gifts the Owner bought for the slave go with the slave. None may be reused on a new slave!

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/1/2007 8:34:23 PM   
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A person of good judgement and respect for the lifestyle would not wear a collar after having broken the relationship.

A person caring nothing for an actual M/s relationship, or one who is merely greedy for a neat decoration to keep, of course would not necessarily want to give up a shiny object.

-DR

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/1/2007 9:40:30 PM   
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Okay let's start at the top-
First there is more than one "type" of collar. There is the-
A) Collar of Protection- a Dom or Mentor would give to a sub that he or she was teaching or had been charged with taking care of (Protecting). It's very rarely used these days especially by a Mentor..a little more common for protection but still very uncommon.
B) Play Collar- a Dom would use this during short term casual play. You put it on at the beginning of the scene/time period (to signify taking ownership or the receipt of "Power") and take it off at the end of the scene/time period (to signify relinquishment of ownership or return of "Power"). This not a particularly "valuable" collar as it is worn by many different slaves that play short term with a specific Dominant. I don't think you'll have to worry about a sub wanting to steal this one. It's a very sad commentary on the State of BDSM that many Dom's and sub's use this as a permanent collar without knowing better, it was never meant to be that. It serves two primary purposes- 1) To create a symbolic start and finish to a "scene". 2) To indicate to others that while a sub might technically be available, she isn't while she or he has your Collar on.
C) Training or Consideration Collar- This is a fairly serious Collar, it's a newly bought one. It's normally leather with a lock, not a buckle. It's normally Black and Dark Blue in color. This is used just like it sounds, it indicates that this sub isn't just playing with this Dom short-term but rather is seeking a LTR. It's a symbol of the first steps on that journey. This is a very important Collar because it is also to a degree like a "Student Driver" sign, it indicates you should be helpful and supportive of a "newbie" sub and their effort to improve. The use of a Training/Consideration Collar is not nearly as popular as it was, this just again another sad commentary on the loss of tradition within our Lifestyle.
D) Formal Collar- This is the one I think everyone refers to when the word "Collar" is used. It used to only be given to a sub through a Formal Collaring process in front of all your Lifestyle peers and friends. Now "virtual collars" are passed out through the Internet like Exstacy at a rave. The Formal Collar was meant to symbolize the permanent exchange of Power between Dom and sub. They come in many different styles, materials and colors. They are always new and typically very personalized to one or both of the Dom or sub. Like the circle of the Collar it was meant to show a commitment to a never-ending relationship...Ownership if you will. It has always been very serious to "Collar" a sub but unfortunately this too has been devalued by both Dom and sub that treat their collar like it's a "velcro" collar. Take one Dom's then another's and another's..or collar one sub after the other. By making your collar have no value, it incorrectly insinuates that mine doesn't have much value either...and I promise you, it Damn sure does!

How does a sub get a Collar, she "earns" the right to "wear" her/his Dom's Collar. The key here being that it is the Dom's Collar she is allowed to wear...not her collar. If the sub does something to make the Dom end the relationship, the price she pays and the symbol of that price is the Dom "uncollars" his sub...taking back his collar and setting her "free". If the sub no longer wishes to be "Collared" to a Dom, they either ask to be "uncollared" or more typically they simply remove the Collar and return it to the Dom signifying the end of the relationship and the subs desire to set themselves free. This is one of the reasons that a sub is NEVER...EVER supposed to put on or take off their own Collar. Taking off their own Collar is the epitome of setting themselves free, their Dom should be the only one that ever removes it....as a matter of fact he should be the only one that has the "KEY" to the lock of the collar. If it's a "Day Collar", a type that looks like jewelry that can be worn publicly, the clasp should be permanently soldered close. A Collar is NOT EVER a GIFT...NEVER!! It is the symbolic extension of a Dom's Possession around the neck of his sub. If a Collar has little or no meaning to the Dom who owns the Collar, how much does the sub think they are worth to that Dom....I'll take it further- Any Dom that says, their Collar doesn't mean much...THAT DOM DOESN"T MEAN SHIT AS A DOM!!!  and by extension if your the sub wearing that "collar" you don't mean shit either...sorry but you should have picked a better more "valuable" Dom with a Collar that does mean something!!

If you ever worry that your Collar might be kept by a sub...first of all get a different sub and if your Lifestyle friends don't understand this...get new friends because the ones you have now are idiots. But let's just say your worried, first get a very particular Collar that no one else has and make sure everyone you know..every where you go...knows that is MY Collar on MY sub!! This way if she takes of with it, everyones going to know it's yours and ask the sub why they're still wearing it. Second, put your FREAKIN' name on it...  My Collar say's "PROPERTY OF WHIPLASH" on it. You want to steal that and keep wearing it...go ahead and be my guest!!! ...I'm sure your new Dom will love it!! Now that this question has me all paranoid....I'm welding big labels on all the rest of my shit.....Property of Whiplash  : )

Oh and what do you do with Collars if the relationship doesn't work out.
A) You destroy the Collar in a small ceremony with your now ex-sub...have a toast to the memory of the old life, a toast to the new, you give her a big hug and you release each other to continue on your journey with a pledge to remain friends forever... and mean it!
B) After you get it back, offer it to your ex-sub as a symbol of what was and the friendship that now is. Some subs might want it as a sentimental gesture and token of all the good times that Collar meant to you both.
C) After you get it back, put it in a private place of Honor. Let it symbolize the good times and serve as a token of the importance of your ex-sub to you and the new friendship you have.
D) If you don't have any good memories...burn it...drop it in the ocean...bury it in the backyard or put it on the dog!!!
E) If she keeps it and won't give it back....think of it as the best $100 you ever spent....it got rid of that crazy bitch didn't it!!

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/2/2007 7:27:35 AM   
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Leaving all the other folks alone and replying only to the OP.
Where you lose me is the need for it to be formally removed by you.
If the relationship is over it's over, you have no power left to require that the person do anything further.
Returning the collar is the civil and socially responsible thing to do. But it is also not civil or socially responsible for you to require that she participate in any formal ritual to remove it.


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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/2/2007 11:30:09 PM   
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The Offer and Acceptance of a Collar is serious business or at least it always was until fairly recent. The Collar is a public declaration of the Commitment between a Dom and sub. It is the most visible symbol of the freely given and accepted exchange in Power between two people. Typically a Collar was given at a Formal Ceremony in front of peers and friends as witnesses. To do it this way wasn't just about others getting to watch two people exchanging vows but for their group of Lifestyle friends to be given an opportunity to indicate their agreement to and embracing of this joining. Remembering that there isn't a governmentally sanctioned ceremony for Doms and subs to join each other. So you spend all this time getting to know each other, you wait, you work until the time is right. You go through all the things a Dom and sub do before a Formal Collar is placed around the subs neck. You have this big ceremony in front of friends and family. Then you go on to live life in your relationship till it comes to an end.....After all the thought, love, effort and emotions that have been put into the relationship...after all that the relationship comes to an end...and what do you say??? Ahhh fuck it and just bail with the Collar. I don't think so!! I think if you say ahhh fuck it on the way out, you were probably THINKING ahhh fuck it when you took the collar. I don't deny this happens a lot these days but it's more a sad statement that too many Doms and subs don't think before offering or accepting a collar. It also is a sad statement that a relationship between a Dom/sub is so casual that just walking away and keeping your collar is no big deal. Sure there are a lot of Dom's with toybags filled with collars to throw around like Mardi Gras beads and plenty of subs with a couple dozen collars hidden in the closet. Tha's just a sorry statement on the lack of Character, Integrity and Honor that two people have for each other and the Rituals and Traditions of a Lifestyle they clearly don't seem to either know or care much about.

I don't think the end of a D/s relationship REQUIRES a formal ceremony, I just know that if I love and care for a sub enough to offer a Collar, even if the relationship weren't to work out, the Collar should be removed with Pride and Dignity, the end of a relationship should be treated just as well as it began. If I cared enough about a sub to offer a Collar and they cared enough about me to accept it...even though the D/s relationship didn't work, don't you still care about each other as you leave the relationship. I think that two people that loved each other, thought long enough before offering and accepting a Collar, they'll show each other AND the Collar, Tradition and Ritual the appropriate Respect when taking/giving it back. You might be leaving a Dom or sub but aren't you still in a Lifestyle???? Don't you still have Respect for IT??? Seeing as how YOU are the Lifestyle and IT is YOU!!! See this is how you know, if a person can't respect the tenents of a Lifestyle...they won't respect the members of it either.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/3/2007 4:51:54 AM   
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Have never heard of destroying the collar in the formal manner with the ex-sub before. Interesting way of doing things. I can't say I ever see it working for me.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/3/2007 8:15:16 AM   
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don't you still care about each other as you leave the relationship.


Depending on the reasons for the breakup I can see more than a few reasons why people don't care for each other.  And where they lose respect for their partner.
Also, where are these tenents and traditions and rituals you speak of?  In the official bdsm guide book?  I never received my copy.
People should do what works for them.  If a sub wants to unburden herself of a collar, she should take it off.  It's simple.


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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/3/2007 8:18:37 AM   
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This is kind of like buying a car.   If you go and buy a car and use it until you are done with it, you usually trade it in for another car.
It is the same in this case.  This sub in my opinion refuses to let you go.  So, you will just have to deal with her until she lets it go.
Sooner or later she will. Find her another Dom, or get someone to help her.   That is what she is doing.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/3/2007 9:20:43 AM   
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Lady Hugs, loved reading your post (as usual).

The first collar I had (from my first Master) he gifted to me after we parted. It's very special to me and I learned alot from his friendship, teaching and guidance. I have several collars I will wear on occasion, some are purchased jewelry pieces that I will wear out in 'nilla places that he will place on me but THE collar he handmade for me. Cutting & shaping it just for me, dying and buffing the leather, hand tooling the edges, mounting the single ring. It's very simple to look at and yet very precious to both of us. I never put or take this Collar off myself. It was 10 years before I recieved this Collar! Which may seem to most to be an unusually long time, but we work at our own pace in our little world ;)

We talked yesterday about this thread because it's never occured to me what I would do past the day when he did not want me, much less what to do with a collar. He said simply "you would be buried wearing it!" To which I had to ask "with it chained to the bottom of the coffin so I couldn't escape?" LOL


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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/3/2007 1:33:05 PM   
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wearing a collar that no longer carries the meaning of ownership to me is just tacky and shows a lack of class.

Many Dominants wish it to be returned othrs do not .. however in my opinion it is never worn again by anyone

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/4/2007 2:34:19 PM   
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There is no question that there can be reasons for the end of a D/s relationship that would prevent one or both sides of the couple to not want contact with the other. However, the Collar isn't just a symbol for all to see of a Dominants possession of a submissive or his acceptance of her offer of a Power Exchange. It's just as much a symbol of her pride in her submission and her willingness to offer that Power up. To disrespect your Collar may symbolize your disrespect and anger for the other partner but more importantly it disrespects yourself and the Lifestyle you have chosen. The Collar is a symbol within the D/s community, people should try and remember that when leaving their perspective partners, they (I hope) are not leaving the community and should treat one of our most precious symbols accordingly and with respect. This way your Collar is never a "burden" but rather is something you love, even if you don't have those same feelings for the person that gave or took the Collar.

I'm sorry that you haven't received your "Official Handbook" I will see that the Office of BDSM, Dept. of submissives corrects that immediately and sends your copy right out : )  The truth is there are many sources that have compiled information about the long history of BDSM and D/s. There are also many places where you can find out more specifically about Traditions and Tenets of such things as Service, Protocol and Rituals. I'll be more than happy to provide you with as many different sources as your interested enough to read. No offense meant to you or the person you might submit to but the best source of information should hopefully be your Top, Dominant, Master, Mentor or long standing members of your local community. For the record, yes, there are as many different "rules" and ways of training as there are D/s relationships. However, most "Old Guard/Old World/Old Leather" self-identified members merely made subtle changes to these general Tenets and Traditions. They did this to make the D/s life more personalized and workable for them and those that belonged to them. The problems started to occur when those people that were making MORE than subtle changes overlapped with members of the "New Leather, no rules for me!" started to intermingle. You now see things like "Pansexual" which was intended and meant to say that- All people of any sexual self identity or persuasion, with an interest in others of any sexual identity or persuasion and in any form of relationship(s) (assumed to be amongst consenting adults) were welcomed. This as become "Pansexual"- All things, for All people, All the time...What's really funny and ironic about this crowd of "NO RULES" people is....just violate "their" boundaries with your actions and they scream like stuck pigs and it suddenly becomes ALL about the rules!

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/4/2007 5:20:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipLash803

The Collar is a symbol within the D/s community, people should try and remember that when leaving their perspective partners, they (I hope) are not leaving the community and should treat one of our most precious symbols accordingly and with respect. This way your Collar is never a "burden" but rather is something you love, even if you don't have those same feelings for the person that gave or took the Collar.


That really depends on what community you are in. The local community you belong to may feel that way, but other in other communities the collar is little more than a symbol of "I'm a submissive!" or "I like being tied up!". I've found that there are very few, if any, hard and fast rules about the BDSM community.

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RE: Collar Protocol - 10/5/2007 7:54:48 PM   
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The collar belongs to me.  I purchased it and presented it. Placed it around the neck.  If and when the relationship ends then I expect it to be returned to me.  Relationship are never planned with an ending in mind and in the past I have asked for my collar back with the explanation that I've given above.

DaddyDavid

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