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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 6:37:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TexasMaam


By sending him a text to let him know you had been delayed, you did what you could reasonably do. Thank you for sharing your experience with us to create a useful discussion.

I am out of words now. I guess I'll go post to the money domme thread ;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 7:51:42 PM   
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If it were  me, i would love to have been kept informed, otherwise, it appears that i am being taken for granted and the other person doesn't even respect the time spent travelling for the date.
I might be biased, just take it the way you want, but i flew 2 hours for a first session(trampling) with a Domme and I told Her what time i would arrive and be at the front of the airport. She said She would pick me up, which sounded very nice, and i was appreciating that. If something was affecting my arrival time, i would call Her. After an on time arrival i did call Her but only got to leave a message. She doesn't live that far from the airport. And keep in mind, She had my cell phone number too. I waited for one hour in the hot sun, in an area where She could pick me up easily not fighting the traffic as much, and i mentioned it on the phone message. She never arrived. I was in no mood to have fun in a session at this point. So obviously it was pointless to continue. Since i thought She had been rude to leave me hanging, after all the trouble i went to, and the fact She had not even tried to call me once.....i left; i turned around and caught the next flight back home. (if i had stayed any longer and sessioned, then i would have had to get a hotel) believe me, i was in no mood to session and especially considering the extra time and cost of overnighting, after paying for what basically is an overpriced session anyway.
She emailed me either the next day or day after that. Saying i was rude to leave without calling Her (?!?!?!)   She told me She was helping Her friend out, who was drunk (and dang, it was only 12:00 or 1:00 at the latest), then She said She got into an accident on the way up. This was a lot to believe. I think She still could have called at some point, at least as She began Her trip to the airport.
I think i made the best decision, since i found out She was putting Her drunk acquaintance/friend before business with someone who has gone to a lot of effort to get there, and She left me totally in the dark as to what was happening. I guess all She really cared about was the money...it wasn't me.
She thought i was rude, i reminded Her of the time and travel i had put in and i was kept in the dark, even though She had my number.  Also, when the excitement/mood wears off, then the session is not going to be fun at all! 
I didn't mean to write so much, but i think anyone could feel jerked around, if they have put forth a lot of effort and then feel ignored.  Communication helps so much.
 
Throwrug

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 8:48:53 PM   
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you make perfect sense, boijen, and I still say you're so cute you'd make Me switch!

You're very insightful for one so very young, a credit to your Domme and to the lifestyle.

TM

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 8:49:59 PM   
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You'd better NOT!

lololol

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 8:52:25 PM   
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A very honest and forthright response, petdave.

I wish more subs would respond, thanks for taking the time to write!

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 9:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adoracat

timely discussion....Sir and i argued saturday night.  my insecurities flared up, he's under a great deal of life crap at the moment, and it got ugly all round.  ugly to the point that i offered to go away rather than hurt him any more.....

which he refused.  much conversation and many tears later, we've gotten back on course again, but it isnt over by a long shot......

kitten, who is still mournful


adoracat:

I've been mulling over a response to this thread all evening.

It hurts My heart to know that you're suffering from what I call a headbutting contest, a clash of wills due to a misunderstanding or a different point of view.

I don't know whether this will help you, or not, but I've always been one of those who keeps 'Cherished Grievances" in my heart, reliving hurtful words or deeds over and over and over again.  Read on:

I cultivated a friendship with a gay male coworker at a previous job who once told me, and I quote:  " ...whatever today's painful memory might be, you just HAVE to let it go.  Tomorrow is a new day, let yesterday's painful memories be forgotten, and start over tomorrow, truly letting go of the hurt or the insult or the slight or the pain.  Start over the next morning with a positive outlook, let yesterday be over."

He was a sensitive sort, not one to let emotional hurts go so very easily himself.

and I, well, I am certianly one of those who relives hurtful phrases spoken in the heat of anger over and over and over again like a bad B rated movie...each time watching my heart lie bleeding in my hand anew, like some cosmic negative energy that renews itself over and over again, gaining force and power by recreating the pain at every remembrance of the event.

Don't go that route.  Let it go, like a helium balloon released into the bright summer sky...it's off, away, gone out of sight, out of mind.

Start today with a fresh perspective, instead.  Next time the B movie plays in your head, just stop, rewind, and dub it over with re-edited content. Seriously!

Focus your thoughts on happy memories instead, make a note of any lingering hurts or issues that need to be discussed, but do it from a positive standpoint, that has a happy focus on tomorrow.

You'll be amazed at how well that 'let's tackle today' attitude heals old wounds.

Warm regards,

Texas Maam

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/3/2007 9:12:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: throwrug

If it were  me, i would love to have been kept informed, otherwise, it appears that i am being taken for granted and the other person doesn't even respect the time spent travelling for the date.
I might be biased, just take it the way you want, but i flew 2 hours for a first session(trampling) with a Domme and I told Her what time i would arrive and be at the front of the airport. She said She would pick me up, which sounded very nice, and i was appreciating that. If something was affecting my arrival time, i would call Her. After an on time arrival i did call Her but only got to leave a message. She doesn't live that far from the airport. And keep in mind, She had my cell phone number too. I waited for one hour in the hot sun, in an area where She could pick me up easily not fighting the traffic as much, and i mentioned it on the phone message. She never arrived. I was in no mood to have fun in a session at this point. So obviously it was pointless to continue. Since i thought She had been rude to leave me hanging, after all the trouble i went to, and the fact She had not even tried to call me once.....i left; i turned around and caught the next flight back home. (if i had stayed any longer and sessioned, then i would have had to get a hotel) believe me, i was in no mood to session and especially considering the extra time and cost of overnighting, after paying for what basically is an overpriced session anyway.
She emailed me either the next day or day after that. Saying i was rude to leave without calling Her (?!?!?!)   She told me She was helping Her friend out, who was drunk (and dang, it was only 12:00 or 1:00 at the latest), then She said She got into an accident on the way up. This was a lot to believe. I think She still could have called at some point, at least as She began Her trip to the airport.
I think i made the best decision, since i found out She was putting Her drunk acquaintance/friend before business with someone who has gone to a lot of effort to get there, and She left me totally in the dark as to what was happening. I guess all She really cared about was the money...it wasn't me.
She thought i was rude, i reminded Her of the time and travel i had put in and i was kept in the dark, even though She had my number.  Also, when the excitement/mood wears off, then the session is not going to be fun at all! 
I didn't mean to write so much, but i think anyone could feel jerked around, if they have put forth a lot of effort and then feel ignored.  Communication helps so much.
 
Throwrug


throwrug,

Your feelings about being taken for granted are valid and well stated.  Which is exactly why I took the time to reassure manthing that I would never abuse his time nor his energy with complete diffidence as to his efforts.

I wanted him to know that his efforts to see Me were not only appreciated they meant a great deal to Me.

At the same time, I expected him to understand that I simpy cannot disucss a dinner date via text or phone in front of My CEO who was hovering about My desk at the time.  We did communicate via a few terse text msgs, and I would have understood if he'd had to go ahead and leave.  He had a LONG drive home!  Late at night, too.  I would not have wanted him on the road late at night and too tired to drive safely because of Me.

At the same time, I expected him to wait for Me without reproach, because we had discussed my EOM close requirements earlier that afternoon.

Basically, he was inconvenienced because he wanted to see Me, and I was put in a bit of between the proverbial rock and that 'hard place' because I wanted to see him, too.

Ultimately, he responded to My request to join Me for dinner.

We still have some discussions ahead to make sure that feelings aren't hurt going forward, and he still needs a little bit of training so that he'll be able to accept that things just can't always be the way he wants them.

Best regards,

TM


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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/4/2007 6:10:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: throwrug

If it were me, i would love to have been kept informed, otherwise, it appears that i am being taken for granted and the other person doesn't even respect the time spent travelling for the date.
I might be biased, just take it the way you want, but i flew 2 hours for a first session(trampling) with a Domme and I told Her what time i would arrive and be at the front of the airport. She said She would pick me up, which sounded very nice, and i was appreciating that. If something was affecting my arrival time, i would call Her. After an on time arrival i did call Her but only got to leave a message. She doesn't live that far from the airport. And keep in mind, She had my cell phone number too. I waited for one hour in the hot sun, in an area where She could pick me up easily not fighting the traffic as much, and i mentioned it on the phone message. She never arrived. I was in no mood to have fun in a session at this point. So obviously it was pointless to continue. Since i thought She had been rude to leave me hanging, after all the trouble i went to, and the fact She had not even tried to call me once.....i left; i turned around and caught the next flight back home. (if i had stayed any longer and sessioned, then i would have had to get a hotel) believe me, i was in no mood to session and especially considering the extra time and cost of overnighting, after paying for what basically is an overpriced session anyway.
She emailed me either the next day or day after that. Saying i was rude to leave without calling Her (?!?!?!) She told me She was helping Her friend out, who was drunk (and dang, it was only 12:00 or 1:00 at the latest), then She said She got into an accident on the way up. This was a lot to believe. I think She still could have called at some point, at least as She began Her trip to the airport.
I think i made the best decision, since i found out She was putting Her drunk acquaintance/friend before business with someone who has gone to a lot of effort to get there, and She left me totally in the dark as to what was happening. I guess all She really cared about was the money...it wasn't me.
She thought i was rude, i reminded Her of the time and travel i had put in and i was kept in the dark, even though She had my number. Also, when the excitement/mood wears off, then the session is not going to be fun at all!
I didn't mean to write so much, but i think anyone could feel jerked around, if they have put forth a lot of effort and then feel ignored. Communication helps so much.

Throwrug


In this situation you were completely justified to feel ignored because you had, I assume, set up a date long before your flight and the trip. You made plans together and in advance -- correct? You both should have had time to check calendars and make necessary arrangements. If life interfered, given the amount of time you had to plan, you should have had a set policy for what to do in case of emergencies. If she was more experience than you, the bulk of the responsibility to make these plans would lie with her in my opinion.

This is another example of why I would never rely on someone else to get me around a town I was visiting -- there are taxis and buses for a reason and I'd never trust someone I was seeing for the first time to take care of me. We learn these lessons over time and I'm sorry you had this bad experience, throwrug.

This isn't the same as someone surprising another person with a visit and then getting pissed when the target of their surprise has real life stuff happening.

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/4/2007 6:26:15 AM   
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Texas Maam,

thank you.  Sir and i are both no spring chickens (i'm 44, he's older) and so we both come with pasts.  those affect us.

and so we butted heads, and argued, and both hurt one another with our words.  we've forgiven each other, but it wont be truly *over* till we can look each other in the eyes again....

and with me moving in a week and a half, the timing is really horrible.  (only by about a half mile, so its no more real distance, just a PITA)

thank you again for the words of encouragement.

kitten, who has been told she's still Sir's precious treasure, and still number one in his heart

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/4/2007 8:31:51 AM   
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I just wanted to pop on and thank TexasMaam and everyone who contributed to this thread.  It was a very interesting read and I appreciate it when folks bring their experiences from life out to have an intelligent discussion.
 
I'm very glad the issue was settled in what seemed to be a reasonable matter.  As I see it, life is going to get in the way at times.  It's good to see how other people would have handled this situation.  Personally, I probably would have opted not to make plans for the same evening as EOM.  That's just Me because I know the unpredictibility of My job and how things can go there at times.  Just this past weekend, My sub offered to do something similar and I did tell him it wasn't a good idea because I couldn't set a firm time to meet him.  While I appreciated him wanting to do something for Me, I couldn't commit to work not getting in the way.  I control My sub, not My job.
 
So, anyway, thanks again A/all for the good discussion and the little glimpse into the lives of people who are making it work out there.

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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/5/2007 5:26:00 PM   
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throwrug,

Your feelings about being taken for granted are valid and well stated.  Which is exactly why I took the time to reassure manthing that I would never abuse his time nor his energy with complete diffidence as to his efforts.

I wanted him to know that his efforts to see Me were not only appreciated they meant a great deal to Me.

At the same time, I expected him to understand that I simpy cannot disucss a dinner date via text or phone in front of My CEO who was hovering about My desk at the time.  We did communicate via a few terse text msgs, and I would have understood if he'd had to go ahead and leave.  He had a LONG drive home!  Late at night, too.  I would not have wanted him on the road late at night and too tired to drive safely because of Me.

At the same time, I expected him to wait for Me without reproach, because we had discussed my EOM close requirements earlier that afternoon.

Basically, he was inconvenienced because he wanted to see Me, and I was put in a bit of between the proverbial rock and that 'hard place' because I wanted to see him, too.

Ultimately, he responded to My request to join Me for dinner.

We still have some discussions ahead to make sure that feelings aren't hurt going forward, and he still needs a little bit of training so that he'll be able to accept that things just can't always be the way he wants them.

Best regards,

TM



Hi Ma'am!
A bit late in joining in on this, as life has been keeping me very busy.  As you noted earlier that you hoped more subs would chime in with their thoughts, here are a few of mine...
 
I'd hope by now that 'manthing' understands the nature of your job and the limitations that your work environment places on your conduct while you're there.  If not, perhaps it's time for a refresher course to remind him of exactly what those are.
 
As to the terse text messages, that doesn't sound too good to me either.  It seems you were both looking forward to seeing each other, the EOM situation was known, along with the fact that it could get ugly despite the best laid plans.  So getting terse with you in a text message, to me shows a lack of understanding for your job as mentioned above and the conditions that could arise as stated earlier in the day; although optimistic at the time. 
 
Regardless, IMO, the change in the situation is no excuse for becoming terse with one's Mistress under the circumstances you've described.  Perhaps establishing a "code word" for you to use to let him know that he's stepping over the line and needs to back off would be appropriate for you to inform him of.  Then, should  he ever get terse again, just use it to let him know he needs to be quiet and listen, or just stop his complaining and use polite language of the sort he knows you'd like to hear.  It's at those times when he probably needs to be reminded that the only appropriate response is "Yes Ma'am".
 
As the saying goes, patience is a virtue.  It's not for me to judge anyone else's behavior, but I'd have never driven away under the circumstances you've described.  If anything, I might have asked via text if there was a place I could go to pick-up carry out so dinner would be ready for us to eat together when you were done, and I could still get on my way before it got too late in the evening.  Or I might have found something else to do nearby, such as shopping for things I needed or even better, simple/thoughtful gifts for you that I felt you'd appreciate.  I'd have simply asked you to text me when you were ready to leave so I could then drive quickly back to pick you up to take you out to dinner.
 
I think it's wonderful that you called him after you were free to leave work and took control of the situation.  This appears to be what 'manthing' was in need of as much as anything; direction from his domme that would reassure him he was important to her and that she was also still in control of the situation.  I suspect that your telling him to turn around was exactly what he needed; an exercise of your domination. 
 
It also sounds as though he may still need to know there are likely some consequences still pending for his behavior; that there will be "training" in the future to help him attain the level of patience or to learn whatever other lessons you feel are related to his having left before you were done with work for the day.  Clearly, that's something for you to best decide how to impart upon him.  You have the knowledge of the remaining facts unknown to us, along with the many details of the history between the two of you and the baggage you both carry; to work with, direct, and guide you in your decisions on how to best approach that one. 
 
With all that said, I'm happy for you that things ended that evening on a positive note.
 
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RE: Arguments and misunderstandings - 9/6/2007 8:08:47 PM   
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i am the reason why this discussion got started.

Again i offer my apology to TexasMaam.

i could offer many "excuses" and "reasons" for my behavior, but won't.

i am very great full for this discussion. There has been a lot of good comments and discussion thanks for all your comments. i have learned a lot from all the comments.

i also am sure there will be a lot more discussion and training between myself and TexasMaam.

Thank YOU TexasMaam for your love!

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