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Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 1:56:47 PM   
xolarkinxo


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Status: offline 		Awhile back, I began corresponding with a submissive who identified herself as the property of a Gorean master.  Shortly there after Tacs (my dom) received an email from the submissive's master.  He requested permission from Tacs to use me to try to somehow engage the submissive into a conversation to see if she would break, "the covenant."  I have no idea what that means nor do I care. Both Tacs and I were quite surprised by this request for three reasons: 1 The deceitfulness, 2 We have never met or corresponded with either of them before and 3 We do not and never have labeled ourselves as Gorean. We ignored the request completely and I continued to correspond with the submissive as I normally would have.  My question is this.  If you had something like this happen or knew of behavior that seemed deceitful, would you have felt an obligation to tell the unknowing party?  Or would you just ignore it, because it is not your business what others do within their own relationships?
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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:01:47 PM   
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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:01:53 PM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		I do not think the person handled it well.
It could be that the submissive may be aware she may be tested at somepoint.  Maybe this has not been communicated to you.  If you are unaware of the stipulations of the relationship, you cannot judge completely upon it.
I wouldn't call it deceitful, just badly communicated possibly.
I cannot answer your question as you desire because we are only hearing the one side, but I would have discussed the matter much deeper with the dominant if they had been a closer as in a friend.
You cannot second guess without making incorrect assumptions.
 
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< Message edited by Darcyandthedark -- 9/2/2007 2:08:27 PM >

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:03:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd run quickly away from their particular drama.  They have each other.  This can't be the only area of deceit IMO.  It's a character flaw.  And she's welcome to it.  Or not.  But she's chosen it.  Sometimes people don't mind the deceit in another as long as it isn't directed at them.  But a character flaw is IMO a character flaw. 

My bottom line is I avoid drama.  And there would be no reason for me to be pulled into this one.



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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:05:58 PM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		I'm with aray on this one.  Avoid the drama.  You have no idea what the dynamic is between them and if you did tell her, she prolly wouldn't believe you anyway.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:06:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know anything about Gorean protocols, but perhaps this is something that is routinely done.  I agree that it is possible that you are not working with all of the information and that perhaps the Gorean girl has more information than you.  You may be involved in some sort of mindfuck play.  My advice is that if you and your Dom are uncomfortable about it this should be communciated to the other Master involved, by your Dom. 

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:17:06 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		Whatever aray, bandit, or KL said, I agree with completely...Only cuz I'd  do 'em all and  because I happen to be rather selfless...I roll like dat cuz'n.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:20:30 PM   
Viridana


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Status: offline 		I wouldn't want to be a part of anything like that 

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 2:21:08 PM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		domi -
you are a bad, bad man bringing your selflessness into this  - and we love ya.
 
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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 3:19:32 PM   
slaveish


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Status: offline 		Would you tell a vanilla friend if her boyfriend or husband were attempting to do such a thing?


Oh. Wait. This is an online friend. Golden Rule, in that case.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 3:31:20 PM   
nyrisa


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Status: offline 		I personally would not become involved with that. It would also perhaps give me pause about continued involvement with the slave, due to not knowing what other kind of things he might want to involve others with in the future.

As to whether to tell her or not: I probably would. Mainly because I don't like the idea of setting up "tests" for a partner. I doubt it would change how she feels about him, but it sort of gives her an advantage, knowing he is planning it.

If they are in a Gorean Master/slave relationship, then by the customs of that culture, he can do whatever he wishes, test her in any way he pleases, handle her in any way he chooses, and supposedly she is aware and consenting to that. But non-Goreans do not have to feel obliged to assist.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 3:40:45 PM   
nmjardine


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Status: offline 		I'm wondering why the Gorean Master doesn't have friends he can use to "test" his submissive. Why would one approach a perfect stranger with this nonsense?

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 3:41:24 PM   
callistaIn


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Status: offline 		First off...no girl who belonged to a Gorean would ever identify herself as a submissive.

Secondly, the Goreans that I have met in real life...off the computer...outside of fantasy...would never do such a thing. They have no reason to 'test' the so called convenant.

Just my two cents.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 3:47:48 PM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		I'm kinda with everyone else on this one.  You and Tacs should not get involved in this.  But, to keep from offending the girl's Master, Tacs should reply to the request, stating that he doesn't allow his slave to be used in this way and thanking him for asking permission.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:00:08 PM   
Tacs


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Status: offline 		Just for the record. I never met the man, or the female he was in involved with. I never even heard of the person before they e-mailed me. I read the e-mail, then deleted it.

My position is; if he feels so mistrusting of her, that he was desperate enough to go as far as to contact someone he has never once met, in an attempt garner his help in "testing his 'subs' trust worthiness behind her back", then he needs to move on to another female.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:06:38 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:22:32 PM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		This is the kind of crap you really want to stay out of. It's none of your business since you really don't know the slave or master in question. And saying something to the slave will only involve you into someone else's drama.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:23:36 PM   
RRafe


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Status: offline 		I hate being used as a tool, by a fool.

I'd ignore.

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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:28:54 PM   
Joseff


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Status: offline 		Though it is true that this "test" might be part of the Gorean lifestyle, (a good way to be sure would be to check out that forum, read some threads, etc...) I have to agree with most of the others, it doesn't sound like something you would want to get in the middle of.
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RE: Tell or Ignore? - 9/2/2007 8:43:22 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		I'd ask him about his intentions and figure out the situation more fully.

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