Marc2b
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I hope you don't mind me using your arguments against you.
Not at all, not at all. Maybe you can succeed where so many others have failed. 
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I think the Department of Education is a convenient scapegoat to blame when 'Little Billy' doesn't do well in school. The truth is more along the lines of garbage in, garbage out ... which is something the government really has very little control over.
You won’t get any argument from me there. I am not using them as a scapegoat (although they are responsible for much of the garbage in), just pointing out the fact that the U. S. Department of Education shouldn’t exist in the first place.
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What other government programs are poorly run, as compared to those in the private sector?
Most, I would say. What Federal entitlement program is rife with waste and fraud? At least in the private sector you have a choice whether or not to participate. The government doesn’t give you a choice (what if I don’t want to participate in Social Security?) or at most one choice, "us or nothing."
In the private sector the inefficient will lose out to the more efficient because they will lose customers. Government programs don’t have that worry. They can go right on being inefficient no matter how much they fuck up.
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Also ... what programs managed by the private sector, are paragons of efficiency, such that they would give us warm and fuzzy feelings about turning the entire mess in that direction? Simply put ... since you are against government control because of the massive abuse you see in that area, aren't I equally allowed to be against private control, for the same reason?
Well the food distribution system seems to be working quite well. Every supermarket or convenience store I’ve ever been in is packed with food. But if a supermarket isn’t up to your standards, you don’t have to patronize it, you have other choices.
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Make your case ... what private sector programs managed on the same scale, would you use to sway me towards your position? Oil companies? Drug companies? How about the non-regulated airline industry? How about the civilian segments of the military industrial complex?
Well, there’s always gas at the gas station when I go there. Ditto on my blood pressure meds when I go to the pharmacy.
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I'm willing to listen, but first you have to get past the point that we have private control of the healthcare industry now, and it's a fucking disaster. We spend a fortune to get average, and non-universal care.
Actually, we don’t have private control of the health care industry. The government has created so many regulations and skewered the market prices with Medicare and Medicaid and that is the primary reason why it is a fucking disaster. Which would you rather have, several companies competing with each other to please you via the quality of their care and their prices because failure to please the customers means they might lose their jobs – or – a single massive bureaucracy whose workers don’t have to worry about pleasing you to keep their jobs.
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Please tell me why I should throw out a chance to try something new, in favor of a system that is clearly not working?
Because government managed healthcare is not new, it has been tried in many other places and it has consistently turned out to be a failure. People denied care they need because some bureaucrat decides they don’t really need it or are too old to waste resources on. People put on long waiting lists for surgeries they need now. I live near the Canadian border and it is not at all uncommon to see several Canadian licence plates in our doctor’s parking lots.
< Message edited by Marc2b -- 9/4/2007 1:24:00 PM >
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