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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 4:39:43 AM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		I'll answer the OP based on a specific meaning of the word "slave"...

  1. Explore and discover your essential nature.
  2. Embrace and cultivate that essential nature.
  3. Know who and what you are; where the journey starts.
  4. Know who and what your owner wants you to be, and seek to become that.
  5. Adhere to moral virtues suited to a slave, foremost among them Obedience.

Needless to say, not all of these are well-suited to a lifestyle submissive, particularly the last ones.

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al-Aswad.


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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 5:50:36 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		*pokes Aswad with a stick* why can't you just substitute submissive and they be good?

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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 6:41:28 AM   
Aswad


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quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty

*pokes Aswad with a stick*


Ow.

quote:


why can't you just substitute submissive and they be good?


Numbers one, two and three are definitely good for anyone. Number four is good for one who would have another person direct their growth as a person and who they will be in the future. Number five is good for one who would place obedience to another above their own moral concerns, legal considerations and so forth. These latter two are not typical of what submissives have expressed on this forum and elsewhere.

I could not hold to be free someone who embraces the latter two, nor recognize as a slave soneone who neither embraces them, nor lives by them, nor is forced into being compliant with them, except: in the legal sense, in places that recognize slavery as an institution; the mental sense of being sheep; or the philosophical sense of defining oneself in terms of what one is not, rather than in terms of what one is. Simple enough?

Submission is a response that is inherent in most, if not all, humans. What will bring it to the surface on its own varies, as does the intensity of the response. One who wishes to submit to another, but does not find that urge stirring in that person's presence, can be helped to do so through words, actions, control, etc. on part of that person, eventually habituating the response in relation to that person. None of these strictly correspond to being a slave, and it generally remains reasonable to retain an option to leave in some manner, as well as retaining moral judgments, personal responsibility and the like. One does not, in short, compromise sovereignty to a substantial extent.

Was that clearer?

I haven't had my caffeine yet, so I can but hope I didn't bungle the explanation.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 7:20:30 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		this may be better adressed off the boards, but i still can't send emails through CM....so i will ask here...back durring passover, i had the chance to sit down and discuss the nitty gritty of Judaism vs Christianity with a Jew...and one thing that we came up with was that personally between the 4 of us, a Jew, 2 devout Christians, and a new Christian...the key thing for Christians is faith...for Jews it is obedience...so...does, by your deductions, that make Jews slaves to God? (really not trying to offend anyone here, and i know i probably will cause if you want to offend someone bring up religion or politics) and after looking up the passages that say wives should submit to their husbands as they submit to God (sic) those are all in the New Testiment....so....hmmm i am thinking too much right now.....

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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 7:53:43 AM   
Aswad


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Please ignore this post for your own peace of mind.

Very short and highly non-PC answer without hijacking the thread with a debate regarding the reasons for the answer: I would consider most orthodox Jews, most Catholic Christians, and most people of a number of other denominations to be slaves in one or more specific senses covered above. I would also consider them to have grossly misunderstood the intentions of their deity, the role and purpose of their religion, and the point of the Covenant. The former is a matter of definition with an attendant value judgment. The latter is my own belief, without any attendant value judgment or assertion of veracity. No reason to get one's pant/ies in a bunch, and I will not debate the point further on this thread, as it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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With that, we resume the scheduled programme, and chellekitty gets contact info via PM since she can't send them herself.

Health,
al-Aswad.

< Message edited by Aswad -- 9/24/2007 7:55:31 AM >

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 11:50:01 AM   
darkdesiressoul


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Status: offline 		Most that are coinsidered  true to who they are do not relaly need traning just to know what it is Master/Sir/Sire want and need and try to thier best ability to do that.. It is ok to ask questions better to ask then to do worng from the start

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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 2:39:37 PM   
Niklas


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RE: Top 5 Things a Slave should be Trained... - 9/24/2007 4:41:49 PM   
Niklas


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Status: offline 		* 1. A good mood. -Always make the Princess "come around" to feel in her best sensitive way.
* 2. Appreciation. - She must be told, all - and all over again,  about her skills and how wonderful She Is.
* 3. Admiration.  - For what She does. Or what She does not. Just Worship.
* 4. Trust. - Knowing Her, that you Always will be there for Her!
* 5. Sacrifice. Not money. But in mind, relations and showing Her your blood.

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