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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 11:38:55 AM   
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Simple answer: ew

Not so simple answer: Issues of health, sanitary concerns, and... eww.


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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 12:58:52 PM   
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Toservez,

It is refreshing to see your posts here among all the predictable "ews" of everyone else.  Thank you for your contribution, and I very much feel the same way as you - degradation, humiliation, extreme intimacy and caring, and something treated differently than more "acceptable" things that have the same result for others.  I am always hesitant to write about the subject, and I appreciate your courage in stepping up and sharing your point of view. 

I remember him looking down at me once, with more pride in his voice and face than I have ever seen before, saying, "You are an amazing girl.  I am forever touched by what you are willing to go through for me."  The profound effect some of my uses has on us has propelled us into a bond deeper than I could have ever imagined.

This is something I never would have imagined myself doing.  And it is something he said he had no interest in.  But together we explored it, and found new channels within ourselves, and in our relationship as a result.   Definitely not for everybody.  But it creates a connection so powerful between us that I've become grateful for the opportunity to experience it whenever he wants.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 2:09:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Toservez,

It is refreshing to see your posts here among all the predictable "ews" of everyone else.  Thank you for your contribution, and I very much feel the same way as you - degradation, humiliation, extreme intimacy and caring, and something treated differently than more "acceptable" things that have the same result for others.  I am always hesitant to write about the subject, and I appreciate your courage in stepping up and sharing your point of view. 

I remember him looking down at me once, with more pride in his voice and face than I have ever seen before, saying, "You are an amazing girl.  I am forever touched by what you are willing to go through for me."  The profound effect some of my uses has on us has propelled us into a bond deeper than I could have ever imagined.

This is something I never would have imagined myself doing.  And it is something he said he had no interest in.  But together we explored it, and found new channels within ourselves, and in our relationship as a result.   Definitely not for everybody.  But it creates a connection so powerful between us that I've become grateful for the opportunity to experience it whenever he wants.


Thank you for your kind words. Normally I also stay away from the topic as it becomes a series of ick comments and safety concerns. Safety comments on topics or as the topic is one of my pet peeves that unless someone really irks me I tend to just try to ignore but I felt this time there was a more mature and accepting level of posts that I stuck out my neck.

I could not agree more to you that there have been times that being a toilet to an owner is an extremely intimate moment between us that few things ever in my life have approached and the look in my owner’s eyes and the confidence you can often see how much it can free them makes me never think of never not doing it. Also though in my more hubris times I help feed some insecurity by thinking try to find another woman who will let you do this to your hearts content. ;)



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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 2:33:20 PM   
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I tend to stay away for the same reasons.  There are typically too many of those comments to sift through so I don't bother.   But I relate to what you have said and I'm glad you stuck your neck out.  It prompted me to post more about it. :)

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 7:01:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tigrita

Hm, this got me wondering something.  Okay, I'll start out saying that water sports and scat don't appeal to me whatsoever, never done them, but I suppose I don't consider them a limit assuming safety concerns are adressed.  But as far as a dom using a sub as a toilet, especially for #2, that kind of seems to me that it would be degrading to the dom.  Does anyone else feel that way?  I mean, we're raised taking that as a very private, not-to-be-discussed and certainly not-to-be-observed thing.  If someone walks in on you while you're taking a $hit it is humiliating.  I read a war story about it being totally un-honorable to snipe a soldier while they're taking a poo.  They had to wait till their pants were up.  It is such a vulnerable and icky moment, I assume for most people (but I suppose only speaking directly for myself) that even your own poo icks you out, so to me, letting someone else contact my poo would be especially humiliating.  This is all from my pov as a sub, but I think contacting a dom's scat would either be some kind of intimate bonding (maybe, hard to see that), but would in no way reinforce his dominance, possibly even detract from it, because I'd have witnessed his most vulnerable moments and that shameful social stigma of having someone witness/contact it (as in shameful for him to let that happen).  Insert your own genders/titles wherever, just using my own pov.

I don't think he's more vulnerable when shitting.  Not at all.  And I don't have  problem with shitting in front of someone with whom I am close, friends, family lover.  I never have.  I actually like the smell of my own shit.  Maybe I'm just wired differently but I wanted to respond because none of these things hold true for us.  The act of eating his shit does not reinforce his dominance.  But any act of doing something that is not easy for me to do makes me gush.  That's part of my particular kink.  And I actually have some pride and no humility about being successful at doing so.  I really don't do humility as a kink.

We ended up going here not because either of us had a fetish for it, neither of us is particularly activity oriented.  But we will ruthlessly use anything which furthers us.  So what I did love was rimming him.   I cum when riming him I enjoy it so much, rimming and humping the sheets.   And he LOVES being rimmed, wallows in it.   And I wanted to be able to do so without any fear of what might come out.    And I was feeling that for months.  And so one day I told him.  And that is where it all began.  So I can now rim him to my hearts delight and be able to take whatever comes. And he who loves to have me rooting around in his ass can enjoy it completely, without holding back for any reason.

I LOVE that.  Being fully available.   Thoroughly used.  Him being able to enjoy without fear.  Completely in his enjoyment.  Now that makes me gush!!!


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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 7:05:28 PM   
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Thanks both of you. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: toservez


quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Toservez,

It is refreshing to see your posts here among all the predictable "ews" of everyone else.  Thank you for your contribution, and I very much feel the same way as you - degradation, humiliation, extreme intimacy and caring, and something treated differently than more "acceptable" things that have the same result for others.  I am always hesitant to write about the subject, and I appreciate your courage in stepping up and sharing your point of view. 

I remember him looking down at me once, with more pride in his voice and face than I have ever seen before, saying, "You are an amazing girl.  I am forever touched by what you are willing to go through for me."  The profound effect some of my uses has on us has propelled us into a bond deeper than I could have ever imagined.

This is something I never would have imagined myself doing.  And it is something he said he had no interest in.  But together we explored it, and found new channels within ourselves, and in our relationship as a result.   Definitely not for everybody.  But it creates a connection so powerful between us that I've become grateful for the opportunity to experience it whenever he wants.


Thank you for your kind words. Normally I also stay away from the topic as it becomes a series of ick comments and safety concerns. Safety comments on topics or as the topic is one of my pet peeves that unless someone really irks me I tend to just try to ignore but I felt this time there was a more mature and accepting level of posts that I stuck out my neck.

I could not agree more to you that there have been times that being a toilet to an owner is an extremely intimate moment between us that few things ever in my life have approached and the look in my owner’s eyes and the confidence you can often see how much it can free them makes me never think of never not doing it. Also though in my more hubris times I help feed some insecurity by thinking try to find another woman who will let you do this to your hearts content. ;)




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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 7:27:55 PM   
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It's just not my thing. Never has interested me.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 9:18:26 PM   
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Having a warm mouth on my dick as I relieve myself feels much better than my hand holding it over a toiletbowl.  Hearing my slave gulp my warm piss as it gushes into her mouth is a very nice sound.  Thats why I enjoy pissing into my slave.  I dont shit in or on my slave because that doesnt give me any pleaure.  I do love the feel of my slave's tongue in my ass.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/4/2007 11:25:48 PM   
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well...i guess people would say i am weird because...i am pretty sure at some point or another in my oral activities i have had both urine and feces in my mouth...i have performed oral sex on cocks, pussys and assholes (the orafice not the thing its attached to)...but to set out with the intention of, i am going to put urine in your mouth or i am going to put feces in your mouth imediately makes me go...um thats not sanitary...i make sure that every one i perform oral on is as clean as possible...perferably fresh out of the shower...though certain people's sweat does have its appeal for me (and it is required for me to like the smell of their sweat to be in a committed relationship with them, some people like big boobs, some people like small boobs, some people like big cocks, some people like....talented tongues...i like good smelling sweat...and its relative)...anyway...i have huge issues with sanitation...i don't like people touching my food after its been cooked...heck, i refused to kiss my friend after she pressed her face into one of those pins in a box things that everyone and their grandmother presses their middle finger into at the adult novelty store (well i assume if your grandmother is in an adult novelty store, she'd be cool enough to do that) cause its just not sanitary...eww...the whole...not everyone washes their hands after they go to the bathroom and who's poop is on that door handle and if you really think about it, you would never go into public again kind of thing so i try not to think about it...
so...in summation...a combonation of the sanitary and gut reaction of "ew"...and it just doesn't trip my trigger...

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 2:00:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Toservez,

It is refreshing to see your posts here among all the predictable "ews" of everyone else.  Thank you for your contribution, and I very much feel the same way as you - degradation, humiliation, extreme intimacy and caring, and something treated differently than more "acceptable" things that have the same result for others.  I am always hesitant to write about the subject, and I appreciate your courage in stepping up and sharing your point of view. 

I remember him looking down at me once, with more pride in his voice and face than I have ever seen before, saying, "You are an amazing girl.  I am forever touched by what you are willing to go through for me."  The profound effect some of my uses has on us has propelled us into a bond deeper than I could have ever imagined.

This is something I never would have imagined myself doing.  And it is something he said he had no interest in.  But together we explored it, and found new channels within ourselves, and in our relationship as a result.   Definitely not for everybody.  But it creates a connection so powerful between us that I've become grateful for the opportunity to experience it whenever he wants.


I echo that sentiment. The relationship and feelings I have for M, and the way he affects me, makes nothing seem *yukky*. Quite the opposite, in fact.  Where he's concerned I have a completely different mindset about many activities.

agirl


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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 2:10:18 AM   
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I'll put a "tick mark" on the "why I don't side"...
 
I just derive no pleasure from it but, more importantly, I would never ask a submissive to do anything of a humiliation/degradation type thing unless I felt they had something to learn from the experience. As a matter of fact; there are lots of activities in which I see no point.
 
I have no need to "test the submission" of a submissive because, if I doubt it, I will definitely speak with her about it and either clear it up or move on.
 
I try not to judge people based upon their choice of kink but, there are a few that truly make me question the psychological reasoning behind why some people engage in WIITWD.
 
 
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 2:27:44 AM   
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Brightest Blessings
 
When I was younger my shoot from the hip response would have been ewwwwwwwww to scat. Now while we have not engaged in this kink my response upon hearing it is maybe someday.
 
Golden showers I live for. It is a very primal thing for me, him marking his territory, sends me to places I love to travel. It is akin to him drinking my blood, I become entranced in his ownership of me, it settles me. The humilation for me is when he tells me no he will not mark me this way.
 
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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 2:36:36 AM   
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I wouldn't find it degrading and humiliating overall, in the context of my relationship. I am the one that has the curiousity about my submission to him, not M, actually.

Everything he does has a purpose, it doesn't have to be a learning experience. People hug, hold, caress and kiss because it's an intimate expression......We just have different intimate expressions.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 3:13:20 AM   
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Last time I played that game, OriginalCyn was my sub ... and she loved humiliation & enemas.  I'd drive 1.5 hrs sucking coffee all the way ... & would call her from the outskirts of town ... have her waiting nude inside her front door, back to the door ... and holding her ankles.  I'd enter, fuck her a while ... then fuck her ass ... then give her 1.5 hrs of pent up golden enema.  THEN ... in her urgency ... I'd follow her to her bathroom, sit on the tub & gaze into her eyes in her embarrassment of my invading her bathroom.  She'd grin & blush ... & loved the whole scenario every time we repeated it. 

Another sub had constant vag yeast infections ... finally one day, I gave her a golden douche.  When she learned what I'd done, she was nauseous.  But next day ... miraculously ... her yeast infections were gone and her whole attitude about the scene changed.

Personally ... I'm not into things that are "sloppy" ... but I have no problem if the carpet & the bed don't get destroyed.  Though I'm fond of humiliation scenes, I ever really had a relationship that got into scat ... the closest is the slave who'd clean me after Greek or rim me after I got off the toilet. 

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ORIGINAL: toylet
From time to time on this board, the topic of toilet servitude or slavery arises.  Some people indulge in it one way or another; most do not.  my question is why do you do what you do (or don't why you don't)?  Something either encourages you (exercise of power, pure sadism, lust to degrade extremely, desire to be totally "accepted", unparalleld intimacy, etc.) or repels you (health concern, aesthetics, innate revulsion, etc.).

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 3:55:25 AM   
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quote:

from chellekitty

...and assholes (the orafice not the thing its attached to)...

*ROFLMAOOL*



What is "fluid bonded"? Could someone please explain this? Sounds very interesting and intimate.
 
I am most firmly a "don't" and "won't" for anything scat and for drinking urine. Because I figure if the body don't want it, neither do I...not to mention eeeeewwwwwwww!  My Dom is also firmly on the "don't and won't" side, mostly for sanitation reasons; he won't even do anal unless everyone's freshly bathed and there are absolutely no hints of tears or anything on anyone, even tho we both recently (myself 3 weeks ago) got completely clean bills of health and have been monogamous for longer.
 
My Master has, however, mentioned pissing on me while I'm on all-fours in the bathtub. While golden showers have always been a 'take it or leave it', that does sound interesting and fun, just because it's with the man I love. And while neither of us has rimmed the other, I could see both of us doing so, as long as the aforementioned precautions are taken first...as well as an enema, probably.
 
For those who do indulge...*points at bottom line of siggy*

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 4:10:46 AM   
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Considering your Master's interest ... and yours ... here's another variation to try ... next time you are on the toilet peeing ... invite him in ... and invite him to pee between your legs into the toilet ... and just aim a little high onto your clit.  Unless he's a really rotten shot ... it doesn't get messy, is a little fun & intimate, and you are gonna clean yourself immediately anyway, right?  Unless you are extremely taken with it, neither of you will "get off" but it is a bit of intimacy to consider.  I've done this with several previous subs & 1 slave, and they all have enjoyed it.

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My Master has, however, mentioned pissing on me while I'm on all-fours in the bathtub. While golden showers have always been a 'take it or leave it', that does sound interesting and fun, just because it's with the man I love.

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 5:37:01 AM   
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Thanx, HurtU, that does sound like something fun to try; will definitely have to bring it up since I'm already comfy with him watching me pee...he especially lo-o-o-oves it when I do it standing.

Any info on "fluid bonding", anyone?

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 6:55:28 AM   
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fluid bonding in my experience is sharing blood, semen and vaginal fluids, and i would suppose you would expand that to urine and feces, should that be your kink...

it is basically the body fluids that transport "things" (HIV and Hep C are the big ones, but there are more) saliva does in small amounts, but unless you're drinking gallons of it you don't have to worry about HIV...not sure about sweat, but its basically non transferable without "open wounds" thus negating just sweat and meaning blood....

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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 7:44:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

I'll put a "tick mark" on the "why I don't side"...
 
I just derive no pleasure from it but, more importantly, I would never ask a submissive to do anything of a humiliation/degradation type thing unless I felt they had something to learn from the experience. As a matter of fact; there are lots of activities in which I see no point.
 
I have no need to "test the submission" of a submissive because, if I doubt it, I will definitely speak with her about it and either clear it up or move on.
 
I try not to judge people based upon their choice of kink but, there are a few that truly make me question the psychological reasoning behind why some people engage in WIITWD.
 
Peace and comfort,

Michael

As some would question the sanity of anyone who likes to hit or be hit by someone, and would see it as embracing abuse.  It is really in part about some of the assumptions you've made.   None of which are true for me.  Someone insecure enough about us to be looking for proof or testof my surrender (Jesus I'm not submissive) would be kicked so quickly to the curb that he's have burn marks on his ass.   We really aren't all broken things.  Some of us come to WIITWD from places of strength and resilience and this is just one more thing we may enjoy for myriad and complex and individual reasons.  Not for everyone?  Sure.  Nothing is really



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RE: A simple question about a complex indulgence - 9/5/2007 8:16:04 AM   
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It's just another kink a bit off the norm....It would be cute if "toservez" changed her avatar to one that included a little dookie smear on her right cheek or nose.

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