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the programmers trained in American schools

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

Any time someone opens up their argument with the word 'illeagles', you know right away their biased.

I don't refer to almost everyone I know as 'repeat traffic offenders', I don't refer to my nehbor as 'elderly parapalegic on disability insurance', I don't refer to my boss as 'stop at nothing to with-hold commision', and I don't (always) refer to the president as 'officer once cited for deriliction of duty during war-time'.

when you reduce a discussion about people to their legal status, you're being derogitory and biased right out of the gate.

The fact of the matter is, the American constitution is a social contract based upon the Magna Carta. That means that the government's authority comes from serving the people, not the other way around. You can redifine what a 'citizen' is, if you want to go against the supreme court's precidents abolishing slavery and establishing universal sufferage/right to own property, but to say that millions of people who permanantly live and work in the US arn't citizens and don't have rights is pretty un-American and un-just. To support that kind of immigrant legislation, by an extension of logic, is to support a government that can declare your livlihood illeagle and deny you your rights for basically any reason...leagally speaking, accepting the laws dealing with 'illegle immigrant' status threatens every single Americans own citizenship status down the road.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

Any time someone opens up their argument with the word 'illeagles', you know right away their biased.

I don't refer to almost everyone I know as 'repeat traffic offenders', I don't refer to my nehbor as 'elderly parapalegic on disability insurance', I don't refer to my boss as 'stop at nothing to with-hold commision', and I don't (always) refer to the president as 'officer once cited for deriliction of duty during war-time'.

when you reduce a discussion about people to their legal status, you're being derogitory and biased right out of the gate.

The fact of the matter is, the American constitution is a social contract based upon the Magna Carta. That means that the government's authority comes from serving the people, not the other way around. You can redifine what a 'citizen' is, if you want to go against the supreme court's precidents abolishing slavery and establishing universal sufferage/right to own property, but to say that millions of people who permanantly live and work in the US arn't citizens and don't have rights is pretty un-American and un-just. To support that kind of immigrant legislation, by an extension of logic, is to support a government that can declare your livlihood illeagle and deny you your rights for basically any reason...leagally speaking, accepting the laws dealing with 'illegle immigrant' status threatens every single Americans own citizenship status down the road.

Ah,..........HUH?

(So easy a Caveman can do it.)

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ORIGINAL: itseeks

I work at a well known department store where i was promised a full time position with benefits.After working for a period of 12 40 hour weeks i had my hours cut to 32 . Now iam told that there is a hire and promotion freeze.Strange enough they hired a lot of mexicans who work at night and receive very little pay.Across from my house is a sawmill where a lot of mexicans are working now as well .(many without a greencard).I am not against people who come here to work and make a living if they do it the legal way but it burns me up if they do it illegaly and make it hard for others to make a living.

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

gee i thought popeye and it seeks were kidding. sheeeshers.

i lived illegally in the usa for 13 years. i was an illegal sublet for 9 years in manhattan. i worked wif all latino's, isreali's, europeans, all illegal as well in a wee restaurant in da village. we were the nicest buncha folks. i learned a lot from all of em but especially da latino's. i was amazed at wut they went thru to try and better their existence. some of them litterally ran thru the jungle and paid a steep price to get thru to the usa. they worked approx 60 hours a week and made like 300$ cash. they mostly lived in da bronx wif lots of others, sisters, bro's cousins and so on. they sent money home to mexico or wherever.

some had big important jobs where they came from, like an engineer, a teacher. there lives were no picnic. they worked hard endlessly and laffed and sang loud spanish songs when the customers wernt there yet. the lights in their eyes were lovely. i trusted them completely and grew to love them very much.

borders are strange things often run by strange people in my opinion. this is God's country, the whole dam place. or if da word God squicks ya, da whole dam place is Earth. most of us here, a lot of us are earthlings. decent love-abidin people. if folks belong in a spot they wernt born in then thy ought ta be free to go there. the 'legal' system of tryin to relocate is pretty near impossible.

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

Seriously though, how many computer science majors or computer programmers have you ever met who can spell?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

gee i thought popeye and it seeks were kidding. sheeeshers.

i lived illegally in the usa for 13 years. i was an illegal sublet for 9 years in manhattan. i worked wif all latino's, isreali's, europeans, all illegal as well in a wee restaurant in da village. we were the nicest buncha folks. i learned a lot from all of em but especially da latino's. i was amazed at wut they went thru to try and better their existence. some of them litterally ran thru the jungle and paid a steep price to get thru to the usa. they worked approx 60 hours a week and made like 300$ cash. they mostly lived in da bronx wif lots of others, sisters, bro's cousins and so on. they sent money home to mexico or wherever.

some had big important jobs where they came from, like an engineer, a teacher. there lives were no picnic. they worked hard endlessly and laffed and sang loud spanish songs when the customers wernt there yet. the lights in their eyes were lovely. i trusted them completely and grew to love them very much.

borders are strange things often run by strange people in my opinion. this is God's country, the whole dam place. or if da word God squicks ya, da whole dam place is Earth. most of us here, a lot of us are earthlings. decent love-abidin people. if folks belong in a spot they wernt born in then thy ought ta be free to go there. the 'legal' system of tryin to relocate is pretty near impossible.

LOL, I know some bank robbers up in Boston who are *very* nice people too! Very "love abidin" people, they just like to rob banks is all, they "ought ta be free" to do that, don't you think?
The legal system discriminates against them!
Banks are very strange things, why don't they like to be robbed?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

PaHunk, how about Mexico fix Mexico?
I don't want to pay anymore money for foreign countries or illegal aliens.
They (can) raise my taxes for Minefields and Snipers though.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

this issue is a no win issue.

do you really thing a white person will be emptying your bedpan?

like it or not- white folks havent bred as much as the latino community.

by fate whites will be outnumberred.

i dont like it any mor then the next one. the thing is too many of us remember regans once in a life time amnesty.

neither side can win this boondockle.  how about we fix Mexico? make it a nice place?

hints of racism cut both ways.

lemme ask u a question. how many washington big shots have a "nanny" for which no tax is paid?

there ya go. there in lies the problemo!

alot of laxy Americans could relearn teh work ethic. [tho] the blame transends both sides of the issue!

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Like they say, "when someone has to resort to calling you a racist they've lost the argument."

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Pharoahs spin the message, round and round the truth.
They could have saved a million people, How can I tell you?

John Fogarty

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

this issue is a no win issue.

do you really thing a white person will be emptying your bedpan?

like it or not- white folks havent bred as much as the latino community.

by fate whites will be outnumberred.

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ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom

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Like they say, "when someone has to resort to calling you a racist they've lost the argument."

usually, this means you're a bullshit racist who's views and company arn't worth keeping.

they arnt turning and walking away because of your enlightend attitude, I can assure you.