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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 8:04:12 AM

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I think I get what you're trying to get at Oscar, pass the easy interpretation of the word prostitution. The question remains fair though that Stef asked, are plumbers who are putting their skills on the line everyday prosituting themselves, they are using unique skills for money, a doctor the same way, etc.

I have always thought that this is an incredibly weak argument....The difference is a trained profession....Please don't equate someone who is selling what virtually everyone on this planet is born with (cunt, ass, cock, mouth) as having a skill...It is getting by on the lowest common denominator...You are simply willing to make some dollars selling what everyone has but something that all don't feel they can acquire. It doesn't rely on talent or a remarkably refined skill or craft...Does it fill a void?...Definitely. Should it be praised or endorsed? No way....It is something that I wouldn't bring up as a viable craft or trade to any child that I would ever meet.

So those that view prostitution as the same as someone in the arts or a plumber...Then it seems that you should be willing to sit down with your daughters and nieces and explain to them the virtues of selling their ass holes, vaginas and mouths....

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 8:09:36 AM

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Hey if I could get paid for it I sure would lol

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 8:15:11 AM

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http://www.iswface.org/decriminalization1.htm
Here is a link to a few slides on prostitution that give the legal definitions which happen to be all encompasing - most folks vanilla plus could easily qualify as prostitutes. This is a good org btw the international sex workers blah blah blah...anyhow, what the pro sex worker orgs promote is the decriminalization of prostitution for consentual adults. They say laws are enforcing morals at the point of a gun. They make a good argument that slave trafficing and child portection laws take care of the areas that are non consentual.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 8:31:18 AM

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As the old joke goes...A man comes up to an attractive woman at a bar and asks her is she would have sex with him for a million dollars. She thinks for a minute and says; well sure. Then he asks her would she have sex with him for 5 dollars. She gets rather indignant and vehemently says, No what kind of girl do you think I am?!!! He calmly says; We've already determined that; we're just agreeing on price now.
Aside from that, my daughter prostitutes herself for crack and heroin. So at times she is a whore..nasty and rather skank. There is no professional glamour involded here. It's an ugly and dismal transaction. She is in quite deep needless to say. So let's take the glamour out of our theatrical roles and behaviors here. If someone is addicted to sexual release and can only find it (or prefers finding it) through the cash transaction of Ds related sex; sounds pretty similar to me. So the provider of cash related services is in effect a dealer of addiction related misery. A controlled and regulated source of fix getting. So I am not a big fan of that level of transaction; either the fixer or the fixee. It's too close to home; and there is far too much misery involved when the supply is interrupted.
As far as the transactions I have had the pleasure to participate in; money would have made it providing a product that the customer would have had the predominant expectation for. No money keeps it focused in a different realm, and far more interactive.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 9:40:52 AM

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As the old joke goes...A man comes up to an attractive woman at a bar and asks her is she would have sex with him for a million dollars. She thinks for a minute and says; well sure. Then he asks her would she have sex with him for 5 dollars. She gets rather indignant and vehemently says, No what kind of girl do you think I am?!!! He calmly says; We've already determined that; we're just agreeing on price now.

This is an adaptation of something Winston Churchill did a dinner party to the wife of one of his opponents...

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 9:51:07 AM

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Once upon a time, I was a "facilitator" (read: top) to abduction/rescue play. I'd kidnap someone, tie 'em up, smack 'em around a bit, get beat up by their partner at the end and everyone would have a great time in the meanwhile. I was paid money for this.

None of my contact was "sexual" in a conventional genital-contact sense: objects were inserted, pieces parts teased. Everything but sex.

Does that make what I was doing prostitution?

And yes, I am in favor of decriminalizing prostitution. I think it would be great to implement something similar to the Dutch laws on this here in the States... some restrictions, some regulation - but it's a lot better than what exists now.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 10:33:24 AM

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So you are driving along a seedy down town street and you come to a potato standing with her potato hip cocked, her potato arm on her hip, and bright red lipstick on her potato lips.

And then she says to you, "Idaho".

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 10:36:09 AM

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Oscar I believe you misunderstand the schematics of prostitution.

Prostitutes SELL sex. Johns/Clients BUY sex. Therefore if a Dom/me were exchanging his/her services FOR sex you might possibly be able to ask if they were a John...because quite a few of them exchange 'things' (drugs, electronics, cars, etc) and even services (tattoos, plumbing, mechanic) rather than money for sex.

But if they are using their skill to get sex, not using their sex to get something, there is no possible way by any stretch of the definition that they could be prostitutes.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 11:11:14 AM

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Sometimes, when I go to a bar...guys will buy me drinks in the hope that Ill fuck them...sometimes I actually do fuck them...does that make me a prostitue for screwing someone in exchange for a commodity....cause down here in the south, booze is definantly a commodity.....

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 11:20:00 AM

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I think that if its done in the sense of "Buying" services.. then its prostitution. However.. buying a gift, a beer or something of the sort to solicit sex doesnt mean your prostituting yourself.. it just means that one.. your a cheap date. (laughs)..

Seriously, we all pay one way or another.. weahter its driving over to their house and buying dinner, a movie or something.. aren't we trading one service for another? Even the most innoccent of gifts or just act of kindness is an exchange of something.

Legalize prostitution. I'm all for that. I dont pay for it the traditional way.. (laughs) But I pay for it by giving my attention and affection to the person I'm with.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 11:36:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: SubOscar

As a verb and not a "noun named profession" .
If one compromises one self by doing something for no other reason but for the sake of personal gain is that not whoring one self out?

I call that living life. People do things every day that they may or may not particularly want to do to gain something they want or need. I wouldn't consider personal benefit to necessarily be a bad thing.

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If a submissive indiscriminatorily submits to any mistressdomme just to get some action, is he whoring himself out,

Nope, I just call that desperate.

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similar to a MasterDom who servicetops any old femsubmissive just to get laid? Is he whoring himself and his service and skills out for some sex?

You're assuming that it's as simple as I top you, you fuck me. Now, if someone is being dishonest, manipulative or otherwise shady and coercive about how they convince a partner to have sex with them: no, that's not cool. But if consenting adults play together, and the same consenting adults decide that they want to make shakey shakey together... what's the problem, here?

It's not entirely common that people decide to hook up in a complete vaccuum. Person A sees person B and they both just arbitrarily fall into the sack together (though it does happen). I'd wager to say that most of the time, however, there is some sort of transaction going on. Dinner, movie, wine, time, hot bdsm play - it's not prostitution, it's just part of the mating dance.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/5/2007 11:55:40 AM

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California defines prostitution as a
“lewd act for money or other consideration”

Other states vary on the specific language, but essentially it is the same everywhere but Nevada, where it is legal in some counties but not others.

A lewd act is…. The touching of breasts, buttocks or genitals for the purpose of sexual gratification OR arousal

What is “other consideration”?
The California State Supreme Court ruled that “other consideration” can be something as innocuous as someone mowing your lawn..... and then coming inside and touching your breasts..... buttocks or genitals and becoming aroused - but not necessarily having sex......

But what about….Going out to dinner, Or just having drinks, Buying you a present, Helping you pay the rent

... Remember- you don’t have to actually have SEX for you to break the law, arousal is sufficient cause!

So, are you/me/we a prostitute????
Most likely the cops won’t come after you if you don’t earn a living this way, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t one....... according to the law, anyway.....

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Sometimes, when I go to a bar...guys will buy me drinks in the hope that Ill fuck them...sometimes I actually do fuck them...does that make me a prostitue for screwing someone in exchange for a commodity....cause down here in the south, booze is definantly a commodity.....

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 9:00:20 AM

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If women would give men what they need and desire in the first place there'd be little need for prostitution.....after all, statistically, hookers' majority of johns are married men who aren't getting what they need at home.... that even goes for the married sub male and pro Domme kink without the sex....women want to keep their men then they need to step up to the plate lol

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 10:46:08 AM

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Thats it...blame prostitution on the wife.....jeesh....

Anyone know what the leading cause of Divorce is??

Marriage.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 10:48:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir

If women would give men what they need and desire in the first place there'd be little need for prostitution.....after all, statistically, hookers' majority of johns are married men who aren't getting what they need at home.... that even goes for the married sub male and pro Domme kink without the sex....women want to keep their men then they need to step up to the plate lol

Ask the women why the men aren't getting what they THINK they need.........yeppers......the women are not getting what they need either. Imagine that!

Fortunately for those women......there are......... OTHER WOMEN!!!!!

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 12:37:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: ocilla: So you are driving along a seedy down town street and you come to a potato standing with her potato hip cocked, her potato arm on her hip, and bright red lipstick on her potato lips.

And then she says to you, "Idaho".

more Solanum humor was sent to my email... prepare to groan at this as well...

People are like Potatoes
Some people never seem motivated to participate, but are content to watch others do. They are called "Speck Tators."

Some people never do anything to help, but are gifted at finding fault with the way others do things. They're called "Comment Tators."

Some are always looking to cause problems and really get under your skin. They are called "Aggie Tators."

There are those who are always saying they will, but somehow, they never get around to doing. We call them "Hezzie Tators."

Some people put on a front and act like someone else. They're called "Emma Tators."

Then, there are those who walk what they talk. They're always prepared to stop what they're doing to lend a hand to others and bring real sunshine into the lives of others. You can call them "Sweet Tators."

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 12:44:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Perplex

I think I get what you're trying to get at Oscar, pass the easy interpretation of the word prositution. The question remains fair though that Stef asked, are plumbers who are putting their skills on the line everyday prosituting themselves, they are using unique skills for money, a doctor the same way, etc.

It seems you're trying to point out that people do things for money, and that this can be labelled 'prostitution', primarily if the thing you're doing for money happens to be for another's benifit yet to your disinterest, outside of the desire for capital.

Still, I'd disagree with this definition. I can appreciate the depth of thought you're putting in, and it is a valid point, but this question's one of the more simplistic ones to answer; the definition of 'prostitution' isn't alterred by the practicioners of it having something in common, even if this something is the reason for practicion, with other 'arts'.

I'm sure this is typo-riddled. The odd part about me in Physics mode is I forget how to spell. Even how to recognize misspelt words. It's all phonics right now.

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 7:12:53 PM

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Oh, I know most women don't get what they need from the men either lol. Seems often it's 90% emotional needs in women and on the other side 90% sexual desire for men, meet you in the middle? lol . And before I get diced and sliced by the "That's not the case" crowd, I know there are exceptions...hmmmm.....Anyway, as long as someone's buying there'll be someone selling, whether it's bdsm being sold, or sex, or bologna in the supermarket lol. Can't stop it so gotta deal with it.... most truths are self-evident, and universal, it's the perceptions that vary :) . Quid pro quo

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 7:19:17 PM

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um yep anything that is sexual paid for service

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RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it... - 9/6/2007 7:23:54 PM

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Even for sex won by ability, to get it supposedly "free", you've got to pay lip service, work a seduction, give a good spanking or whatever, nothing is truly free, and we all pimp ourself out to someone, or are someone's servant...a merchant pimps his goods to a buyer, and an employees sells themselves to a company for money...and so on and so forth lol

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