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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:19:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marie, because it is a question of how Laws (the budget is a law) are made, not a tallywhacker contest. 

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:26:18 PM   
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This is an Article, not an Amendment:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Under recently passed legislation, we have changed our name from the General Accounting Office to the Government Accountability Office. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) is an agency that works for Congress and the American people. Congress asks GAO to study the programs and expenditures of the federal government. GAO, commonly called the investigative arm of Congress or the congressional watchdog, is independent and nonpartisan. It studies how the federal government spends taxpayer dollars. GAO advises Congress and the heads of executive agencies (such as Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, Department of Defense, DOD, and Health and Human Services, HHS) about ways to make government more effective and responsive. GAO evaluates federal programs, audits federal expenditures, and issues legal opinions. When GAO reports its findings to Congress, it recommends actions. Its work leads to laws and acts that improve government operations, and save billions of dollars.

I can read as well as you, and your comprehension is nil.  Are you impudent enough to tell me that if Marietoo is enlisted in an advisory capacity to measure our tallywhackers that her word has the effect of law?  Get fuckin' lost-------

You are the type of non-entity that would claim Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagen were other than useless fuckin' wastes.




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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you agree with me 100% that congress writes the laws of which the budget is one, excellent.  And anyone who thinks otherwise is a pompous fool.  Glad we are on the same page here.   The GAO was created by congress and works for them.  Congress appoints its directors and leadership.  But the GAO is relevant how?

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:33:12 PM   
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I can read as well as you, and your comprehension is nil.  Are you impudent enough to tell me that if Marietoo is enlisted in an advisory capacity to measure our tallywhackers that her word has the effect of law?  Get fuckin' lost-------



Hey now, I never said anything about erectile dysfunction.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:36:10 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		No, I do not.  Not a goddamn little bit. We have not discussed such a thing at all. And I will not acquiesce to anything not under discussion.  Whether true or not, until you stand up and say this is what we were talking about and I will or will not agree to that.  We were talking about the budget.  Don't weasel. I also will not agree out of hand that you are a faggot, regardless of what you imply.

Ron

you have revised and extended your remarks and I will do the same, nothing as I have first said (regarding GAO ant the yet unexplored OMB) but exactly relating to your first incorrect post, which  is totally incognizant and unrealistic, because congress does not make the budget nor does the GAO have a sitting in congress.

 

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:42:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put down the bottle mnot, you are embarrasing yourself.  you just proved congress decides how much money to raise.  Thats Art II section 7.  Now read article II section 8, where Congress decides how much to spend and on what.  Do you think a budget is something other than how much money you get and what you spend it on?

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:45:20 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Slow down on the crack pipe pal, article two deals with the presidency. and congress does not decide, note the difference between what the house does and what the senate  may or may not do.

Really,
Ron

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 9:53:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are right, I meant Art I sect 7 & 8, not art II.  you can take that small meaningless victory.  Congress does indeed decide.  Both branches (of congress) have a role in the final bill sent to the President.  You quoted to show it. 

So exactly what is the budget other than how much money they get and how much and what they spend it on?

And it is not relevant in any way to try to confuse Congress as short hand for the House of Representatives and Congress meaning both houses.  Either way the senate gets a say, even if that say is to say "the house version is perect, let's go with it"

Dont worry Rule still thinks you are profound....

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 10:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well 9pm on sat night, luandry is fresh out the dryer, and I am out for the evening.  I guess I will have to wait for tomorow to find out what a budget is in cukoo land.  I guess its midnight in MN, Sitiing on line trying to argue some one other than congress writes a budget and borrows money for the Feds.   no wonder you are so testy.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 10:09:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		nope, fuck one and two now that we are on the same verse. If you think I am gonna say see you said two and you meant one you are fucked, nope that aint what this is about.

You do NOT need the fucking senate to raise money. The house can actually do it with or without their ass (albeit, the case usually is that the house will seek senate approval, so they all hang together)   There is a good reason for that....
nevertheless,

How the fuck then, is it that a president doesn't declare war but has every thing but one and it is financed?  It takes a bill how long to go thru CONGRESS (this is both house and senate) to get universal health care?  no such thing is needed to get money and that is an issue of great import.  The budget is presented by or on behalf  of a president, ()GAO and OMB) now we have to be in agreement are not constitutional entities but advisory  ( I will look the fucker up if you need it but it will cost you)  and is sloshed around by the house............end of fucking joke, there is no constitutional need for approval by the senate, whether soliceted or not.  That is how Bush can say,  ooops, I fucked up and I got my numbers all fucked up; 'choked on a pretzel' and need 80 billion more this quarter for searching out the WMD in Iraq.  -------------------------


So, you smartassed me on your 83% in the army that voted for this shitbreather, and you are gonna get some flack, crack pipe, you are wrong and you admit it.

GAO is not congress nor does congress (by law) approve raising money, only the house.  right there babe.




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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/8/2007 10:10:39 PM   
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Well 9pm on sat night, luandry is fresh out the dryer, and I am out for the evening.  I guess I will have to wait for tomorow to find out what a budget is in cukoo land.  I guess its midnight in MN, Sitiing on line trying to argue some one other than congress writes a budget and borrows money for the Feds.   no wonder you are so testy.


Wipe your ass on the way out the door.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 8:42:44 AM   
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By the way, how does Firmhand feel about the fact that you're so knowledgeable about another man's ramrod?


FirmhandKY has expressed pleasure that I'm knowledgable about a great many things.  I'll have to ask him about this particular information, but I doubt it would bother him in the least.... besides, he doesn't "do" jealousy.

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Ah, don't worry about it feeling 'wrong'.  I think about LaM's cock too.


lol...  Well, typically when a cock is shoved in my face, I get to do something about it. 

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 8:51:04 AM   
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Ah, don't worry about it feeling 'wrong'.  I think about LaM's cock too.


lol...  Well, typically when a cock is shoved in my face, I get to do something about it. 



<sigh>

Some girls have all the luck....

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 12:05:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		First mnot, you are 100% incorrect,  I did not say 83% of the military voted for bush....you have me confused with someone else.  I pointed out from your link that most HS dropouts voted for Gore and most colledge Graduates voted for bush.


Second you are completely wrong, a bill does have to be passed to spend money for anything and everything.  Congress decides how long it will take any bill to pass, its a messy process.  When they want to they can propose and pass a bill in one day( see congress expanding Bushes warrantless wiretaps last month).  Or they can debate it forever. 

You are also incorrect, the senate gets to add  thier opinion to any and all bills, even the budget.  No bills go to the pesident without going through the confrencing commitee, which is not constituionally demanded but is the process they have chosen to reconcile the differences betweeen the senate and house versions.  They can say, we like the house version lets run with it, tell me the last time a spending or approiations bill passed with out the senate putting in thier .02 cents.  You seem to love quoting stale rock bands...."if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"....

It would be so easy to demolish me here....Just state clearly who does appropriate(borrowing is part of that) money for the feds, and give some evidence.  The fact is you can't because I am right.




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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 6:09:55 PM   
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<sigh>

Some girls have all the luck....

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 6:25:34 PM   
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Yeah, I know whatcha mean.  I'm starting to piece together why she's called "Treasure."


.... and a priceless one at that. 

Firm


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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/9/2007 7:16:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		And about that 83% figure.  That is from a self selecting poll, and as I have been arguing on 2 different threads means absolutly nothing, they even explained that in its article.  From growing up an Air Force brat and living in a city with a major Army and a major Air Force base, and dealing with millitary familes on a regular basis, I have experienced that the majority of millitary tends to support the Republicans and has for decades.  If I had to make a guestimate, I would put it between 65-70%.  83% seems to high to me.

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/10/2007 12:00:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looking from fiscally responsible country the picture for US is sad. Blaming democrats or republicans is totally useless exercise. The government is broken and unable to create or implement any long term plan dealing with the important problem. There are no democrats or republicans between election cycles just "republicrats" (people in power). Über globalists Bussh1, Clinton and Bush2  created a system where stock market gain (reflecting corporate profits) is the ultimate goal and nothing else matters. Stock market likes deficit spending, outsourcing, unrestrained immigration etc.... At the same time the whole system is giant Bonzi scheme and it will inevitably collapse. 

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/10/2007 12:29:19 AM   
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but after the Clinton fall, and 9/11 the economy came back up and unemployment was/is pretty damn low.  As for the deficet I can't say, and I am willing to guess we will find out from historians.



If you saw the unemployment go down you were in a state other than michigan.  We haven't seen our economy come back...in fact the state is bankrupt with the highest unemploment in the country near 10% in most cities...the only reason its fallen is because people fell off the lists when their unemployment ran out. 
  Anyone can manipulate figures.  If you want to know how the country is doing look at your poor.  The poor have no credit they cannot get loans to try and get past hard times.  It is said your poor you will always have with you.  I believe is it how you treat them that determines a countries future. 

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RE: Regan,Bush I,bush II own 70% of all US debt - 9/10/2007 10:08:07 AM   
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Second you are completely wrong, a bill does have to be passed to spend money for anything and everything. 



Small correction here.

If Congress fails to pass a bill for spending, all budgetary monies from the previous year's budget get reallocated as before.  This is known as a CAR, which I believe stands for Capital Acquisition Request, although I may have that wrong.

The Republican congresses under Clinton and AnencephalyBoy got away with doing nothing because the money would continue to flow out whether they did anything or not.

The problem that AnencephalyBoy has run in to is that all the other pies he illegally sucked money out of to pay for the Fiasco in Iraq have run dry, and he needs more money allocated, which Congress is not willing to give him.

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