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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:04:30 AM   
susie


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ORIGINAL: RRafe

Are you girls still feeding the troll?


Nooooo. We are having a GANG meeting.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:05:36 AM   
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Seriously I think that there needs to be an 'intervention' here.  One at a time, Bob, a Mod, and each individual 'bully' can get in IRC and discuss this.

And resolve it.  Permanently.

I am probably the least 'cliquish' person I know...I've always been a bit of a loner even when socializing in a crowded room.  I've also seen 'bullying' and been both the 'bully' and the 'victim' in the past...and I can say completely objectively there is no bullying going on here.

There are plenty of people on this board who argue their points vehemently, refuse to concede the slightest bit of ground, and will run a topic into the ground.  At times I am one of them.  But I can honestly say that none of those other people are greeted with "Oh great, here comes so and so" by handfuls and handfuls of people whenever they get involved in a discussion.

What I am honestly seeing here is an entitlement mentality combined with a victim complex.  You are entitled to respect, and those who don't give it to you are bullying you.  I hate to be the one to tell you this but it's just not true.  Yes you have the right to post whatever you want...but so do other people.

To be honest I've seen quite a few defamations of character in your posts Bob...generally when the person disagreeing you is part of this 'clique' and then it becomes personal to you.  That's probably the only reason the mods haven't stepped in time and time again - because it's really going both ways.  You are antagonizing and self important and a lot of people dislike those traits.  You can be who you want to be of course but you can only control the way you present yourself - not the way anyone else responds.

Seriously this is in need of some 8th grade intervention.  Let the mods decide if someone is being bullied or not - and then if the 'bullies' continue to engage in specific behavior ('bullying' doesn't cover it...there has to be certain specific behaviors identified) they can get b& and if Bob continues to cry bully at every disagreement he can get b&.

Cuz I am sure sick of reading this tripe and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:09:16 AM   
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We have the ignore feature for a reason.

I can see why mod eleven has to come in and say "stop it children." I can see why she gets frustrated.  Everyone who participates in this sort of thing ends up looking like an idiot.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:12:51 AM   
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As opposed to those that have Mod envy and try to put themselves on a pedestal and preach to the choir to validate their own brand of participation....?

Been there, done that, still looked like a fool.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:13:06 AM   
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quote:

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Are you girls still feeding the troll?

Nooooo. We are having a GANG meeting.


Sometimes I do love this place.
Where's the mudwrestling pit?  Cheap gang chicks like to hang out there....


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:16:21 AM   
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Seriously this is in need of some 8th grade intervention.  Let the mods decide if someone is being bullied or not.


OR

People could just learn that forums aren't always touchy-feely places, every poster is: 1) not going to agree with you, 2) not going to be your friend.  It's much easier if you understand those two points.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:19:18 AM   
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So what should we think of Merc taking quotes out of the Safe punishment.   thread and posting them to the Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  thread so as merely to smear me? If he had issue with the quotes in the Safe punishment.  thread, why not post his comments there?
Bob I had no issues until your pontificating was getting tiresome and your hypocrisy and the inconsistency of your own words and self importance was no blatant that it required illumination.

Remember, they are your quotes Bob no matter where they appear. Sorry if your words "smear" you. The response to them also "smears" you. You have yet to respond to why they "smear" you when quoted in their entirety. Your inconsistency smears you. The paranoia you have needing to accusing people who point out your conflict, smear you. Bob - YOU smear you.

Edited to add: Actually in thinking about it further I was wrong. Never afraid to point it out when it happens.

You don't smear you. There is no "smearing" on your part at all; only further clarification and confirmation. Sorry to be so wrong. Look at the most obvious confirming example. You "withdraw" your "dominance" in the event of conflict and you "block" those who have a conflict with you hear. VERY consistent at a level of consistency that people strive to achieve in their life. Avoidance and withdraw with a large dash of immature "peeking" between squinted eyes and behind spread fingers, and a healthy dose of name calling.

No need for a "white knight" to protect anyone though - just keep posting.

Thanks, me and the rest of the "gang" enjoy you immensely!

To the "gang" - I lost the official calendar; who's supposed to bring the cup cakes to the next meeting?
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LaTigress: How cool is this?! Do we have gang colors? Is there a cool leather jacket? ORRRR better yet, do we have a gang sign that can be translated into a cool piece of jewelry?

Tigresse - Don't you remember we voted on 'butt bruise purple' as the "gang" color. And the gang "sign" is the three fingers down on the left hand and a cupped right hand. From the viewers perspective that makes a 'CM'. We were going to use the back of the hand with all the fingers up except the middle one - because we don't "fuck" anybody, but it was determined that some people just scream to be 'fucked' with. 

The official "gang" jewelry will be voted upon during the 'old business' portion of the next meeting assuming we have a qualified voting quorum.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:22:56 AM   
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I have the right to dislike points that Bob makes..I personally don't need 15 other phantom net people to help me decide that or confont him on the issues.  I say what I want and drop it. It ain't personal, I just didn't like what his ideals were.   I don't do group mentality of imbiciles. I just prefer to watch.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:25:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

As opposed to those that have Mod envy and try to put themselves on a pedestal and preach to the choir to validate their own brand of participation....?

Been there, done that, still looked like a fool.


And yet, you are still here.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:35:28 AM   
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i am not a Dom and this is not a direct answer to your question, but it is an example of why some Doms may feel the need to be the "White Knight".
i have a friend who is a self-identified Dom. He has been in the life style for many years and i will admit is a good Top.
 
However, he is always the rescuer, whether he can afford to be one or not. We are friends and with us, it is give and take. He helps me out, but i give back. That is a friendship. Recently, a friend of mine started asking him to help her out financially. i was unaware she was doing this until he told me about it. He had been giving her money for a while and it was actually hurting his own finances. The only real connection between them was me. They were not friends and he was getting nothing in return from her. i asked him why he was doing it and he said, "because i need to be liked".
i put a stop to it by telling her he cannot afford to help her anymore and not to ask.
 
However, it is because of his need to be liked and other insecurities in himself that he will never be my Dom.
 
jen

< Message edited by sammiebabygirl -- 9/30/2007 7:37:19 AM >


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:37:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

As opposed to those that have Mod envy and try to put themselves on a pedestal and preach to the choir to validate their own brand of participation....?

Been there, done that, still looked like a fool.


And yet, you are still here.


I came to the conclusion that pedestals are very shaky places, especially self built ones. I am here for pure entertainment value.Much more fun and less danger of an over inflated ego.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:44:03 AM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: xoxi

Wow what the hell???

What does THIS have to do with, oh, ANYTHING?

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To the audience at large:

How do you feel when members of the so-called BDSM 'community' persecute other members of the 'community' through witch hunts, kangaroo courts, and similar methods?

What of the many white knights we have here who love to tell you who is "twue" and who is not? Are you grateful to have self-appointed 'judges' to tell you what to think of others?

What of those who take quotes out of context so as to misrepresent individuals and 'warn' you away from them? Does the fact they need to manufacture their own 'evidence' bother you, or is it okay with you?


I'm in a nice mood this morning (it's Sunday.  My favorite day) so I'm going to give you a bit of advice here:

1. There is more than one community in the world.  If the one you joined is full of bullies who don't like you, perhaps it is best to find another.


There are bullies in every forum. You either learn to deal with them or you run forever.

I've chosen the former.

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2. Nobody has to like you.  In fact nobody has to respect you.  This entitlement mentality has been increasingly more prevalent lately, but long story short - friends and respect are something earned.


And with reasonable, mature individuals this is not a problem.

Bullies and other immature individuals, there is little if any hope unless I were to stoop to their level.

Apparently I am to be smeared because I refused to stoop.

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3. Posting stuff like what I have quoted that is irrelevant to the topic, and posting it to a dead topic, is quite amusing to others but the fallout does not seem amusing to you.  Perhaps you need to study the art of self preservation?


If what you've selectively quoted is irrelevant to the topic, it is because you've selected a partial quote so as to make this claim.

"dead topic" - I don't consider page three "dead". Lucky is fond of pointing out that no topic is truly dead: just look at the list of links she posts whenever a new thread on an old topic appears.

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4. It's not all about you.


The gang quickly makes it all about me.

If you go back to Pg. 7, Post #134 of this thread you'll see I didn't mention me.

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5. Even when everyone's talking about you, it's still not all about you.  It just means you're being highly vocal at the moment.  As soon as you shut up, it's no longer about you. Because it never was.


And the difference between shutting up because of bullies and running away because of bullies would be?

I noticed that when I ignore them and simply talk to those who are on-topic the gang does not disappear, does not stop trying to hi-jack threads. Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  is a clear example of this.

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6. This is a message board full of old people, young people, fat people, thin people, white people, black people, male people, female people, rich people, poor people, and basically everyone else.  I've never seen anyone 'gang up' on someone because of ANY of these attributes.  The only criterion by which people are judged on a message board are the messages that they post. In other words, if people don't 'like' you, it's because of what you say.  Feel free to take it personally - it has nothing to do with your gender, race, social class or D/s status.  It's entirely you.


Xoxi, you seem to be under the impression that I take offense that bullies don't like me.

I happen to be quite proud to know I am the kind of person bullies don't like.



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7. If the ratio of people criticizing you to people defending you is highly skewed toward the former, you might want to consider perhaps they have a point.


"The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more you try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded."

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm


Seems much more likely to me that the results are skewed due to the fact that bullies thrive by intimidating others.

And either you do not know or have failed to mention that I've had many pleasant discussions with people who have different points of view than mine.

The difference between them and the bullies? These few individuals discuss the topic and do not try to turn it into an attack of who is 'twuer'.

They engage the discussion with their intellects, not their egos.

I had a good day yesterday. Spent it fishing with my friend. Caught a huge pike, my best this year. Came home late, tired, and content.

Took a look at Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  and saw all the pus injected by the gang.

And then I came to this one gem from Aswad.

We each view a variety of issues differently. We also view some issues in similar ways.

Could have wasted my time addressing the pus, but why should I?

Aswad, Submittous, and a few others show me that there is intelligent life here. People who have their egos in check sufficiently that they can have a great conversation with someone over all sorts of issues.

Obviously not everyone here has reached that degree of maturity and confidence.

What I find somewhere between alarming and amusing is that so many claim to be into bdsm who obviously have no handle on their egos.

If you cannot control yourself, how do you expect to serve another or control another, as the case may be?

Ego is a product of immature thinking.

Confidence based on self-awareness has no need for it, and isn't threatened by the differences in others.

Since I arrived the gang have been jumping around like enraged monkeys accusing me of being a danger and a threat, a fraud and a liar.

I think it safe to characterize their behaviour as symptomatic of feeling threatened by me.

And judging from the immaturity of their behaviour towards me, I can see they are engaging their egos, not their intellect.

That tells me I'm a threat to their egos, which would explain why they try to bully me into retreat.

And that they do it publicly without concern tells me this has worked for them so well that they choose it without a second thought.

That no one has stood up to them.

That would explain their obsessive/compulsive tendencies towards me. By not giving up and not giving in I actually challenge their whole bullying strategy.

This has gone beyond amusing for them. They are fighting for their 'right' to successfully intimidate whomever they choose.

Doesn't help their ability to intimidate if someone like me refuses to be intimidated.

If you want another example of someone they've tried to bully, you need look no further than the No Limits: How far would you go?   thread and all the attacks made against Prop.

 

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:50:53 AM   
susie


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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

I do not see bullies here. Sorry. I have been on these boards a lot longer than you have and have never encountered bullying.



This does not surprise me, coming from you.



Perhaps you would like to explain that comment. Exactly what does "coming from you" mean.

And sorry to disappoint you bobby but there are no "gangs" here. Just individuals with their own minds. If you think people are "ganging" up on you then you are the only one who sees it.



I am still waiting for you to explain your comment to me Bob.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:51:12 AM   
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To be honest I've seen quite a few defamations of character in your posts Bob...generally when the person disagreeing you is part of this 'clique' and then it becomes personal to you.  That's probably the only reason the mods haven't stepped in time and time again - because it's really going both ways.



I have the unique distinction of not starting it on any of the occassions they've kicked up dust, and having ignored more provocation than anyone I know short of Prop.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:55:59 AM   
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~fast reply~

I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiring to be heroic. We should all find ourselves better people, and the world a better place, if we made the effort to be heroic once in a while. 

That said, temperance is important in all aspects of life. Being Mother Teresa is the calling of few.

-DR

P.S. All that is issues of BDSM aside. In a BDSM context, it's just as natural and good IMO provided you are not merely enabling a person to be dependent on a hero. A hero can't always be around and it pays to have people be self-sufficient when they have to be.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:57:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

I do not see bullies here. Sorry. I have been on these boards a lot longer than you have and have never encountered bullying.



This does not surprise me, coming from you.



Perhaps you would like to explain that comment. Exactly what does "coming from you" mean.

And sorry to disappoint you bobby but there are no "gangs" here. Just individuals with their own minds. If you think people are "ganging" up on you then you are the only one who sees it.



I am still waiting for you to explain your comment to me Bob.


My impression of your past responses to me indicates youa re quite content to see what you want to see, and overlook the inconvenient.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 8:02:45 AM   
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My impression of your past responses to me indicates youa re quite content to see what you want to see, and overlook the inconvenient.


I read what is posted Bobby. I pass comment on what is posted. If you think that makes me a bully then you have no understanding on what bullying is.

There are NO bullies here. Just people with opinions.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 8:03:01 AM   
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Since I arrived the gang have been jumping around like enraged monkeys accusing me of being a danger and a threat, a fraud and a liar.
Quote obviously taken out of context...

"Danger" - A person who represents a false dichotomy as fact which if employed would be dangerous for anyone putting their life, emotional, and mental well being in their hands.

"Threat" -  Hardly, you'll have to substantiate that claim. When a mirror can generate such passionate denial its indicative of how non threatening a persona you've created. You would only be a threat if someone believed anything you say which brings us to...

"Liar" - Do you prefer "misrepresentation"? For example "Blocking" and then responding to posts made by the person advertised as "blocked".

"Fraud" - Unable to stand up to challenge usually using accusation of bullying as a response instead of responding. Only able to relate and have a dialog with those whose experience and naiveté level match, generating agreement, and group 'head-bobbing'.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 8:04:04 AM   
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Anyhoo..IMO, heroics are and should be left to the professionals.

If one feeds from another 'the saver and the need-saving' it is the blind leading the blind. 

If I was 'down' of course any man who was half-brained would seem a better choice than being alone or broken.  It is these type of men that seek the broken, perhaps they cannot handle a firm, stable person.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 8:04:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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So what should we think of Merc taking quotes out of the Safe punishment.   thread and posting them to the Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  thread so as merely to smear me? If he had issue with the quotes in the Safe punishment.  thread, why not post his comments there?


Bob I had no issues until your pontificating was getting tiresome and your hypocrisy and the inconsistency of your own words and self importance was no blatant that it required illumination.

No need for a "white knight" to protect anyone though - just keep posting.

Thanks, me and the rest of the "gang" enjoy you immensely!




Bullies usually do, until people get bored with the bullies.

Eventually, Merc, bullies become irrelevant.

Only so many times you can cry "wolf" and get people to look.


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