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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 7:06:26 AM   
GhitaAmati


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Status: offline 		depends on where you live, but most traffic violations are ordinances, not actual laws.....in order to be fined for an ordinance, they have to get your signature. Next time you get stopped by a LEO for a ticket, ask him what happens if you refuse to sign, he'll most likely tell you you will go immediatly to jail. Then sign  "under duress all rights reserved UCC 1-207"

Ever wonder why when you go to court the first thing they ask you to do is to waive your rights by signing different forms? If they ask you to sign, its red flag time, meaning do your homework first. If they could do it to you without a signature, they would, period.

How come if you murder someone in front of an LEO, he dont ask you to sign something? Hmmmm. There's a law that says Do not Murder, Thats why.

Theres a difference between laws and ordinances. Law says No Signature Required. Ordinances say: Sign Here, join our payment club. Most LEO's (No disrespect intended) are just glorified meter maids selling their product.



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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 7:22:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		The small store in the middle of town doesn't bag search. They simply don't allow anyone obviously under 40 to come in with any kind of bag. Sports bags, backpacks etc must be left at the door at your own risk.

They got tired of constant pilfering being across from a school and two blocks from the university.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 7:28:43 AM   
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I happen to be going to Costco tomorrow and will be checking my local outlet to see if that's a new policy.


Lmao....if it was me i would be carrying a beach bag, full, of course, with vibrators, double headed dildos, butt plugs etc......

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 7:32:38 AM   
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One of the reasons that I shop at Costco is because they treat their employees very well.
Before I joined I was reading an article about how they pay a lot of their employees, "$18 per hour plus full benefits".
I figure that if I'm going to be spending my money at a business I want that business to take care of their employees.
I was talking to the guy who rounds up the shopping carts in the parking lot at our local Costco and he told me that the full time employees who work on sundays make $27 per hour.
And, everytime I've ever asked for assistance from anyone there they've been very helpful!
You can buy things in bulk and save money by shopping there.
I always use their gas station too, the gas is about .13-.15 cents per gallon cheaper there than at the local gas stations.


I didn't know that much about Costco, because we don't have them here.  Wal-Mart pretty much owns this state.  We lost our K-Mart a few years ago.  We have Alco and Target as the only comparable stores.  I just found an article about Costco where they talk about the high pay of their employees. 
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/costco_vs_sams.php

I am genuinely amazed by it.  I know a lot of people that work for Wal-Mart and Sam's Club in comparable jobs, and they won't ever make that much.  Wal-Mart is notorious for having a high turn over rate, and their shitty pay is the biggest reason.  I wish we had a Costco now that I have read into it.  The closest one is in Memphis.


Slaveboy, yeah that article is the one I saw a few years ago.
Funny that "Wall Street Analysts think $18 per hour is too generous."
How much do they think they're worth?
I think a Wall Street Analyst is worth about $14 per hour.
Look at all the money (they've) lost for people.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 8:24:47 AM   
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Ghita, how would that "help" you by doing that?

Windchymes, "steaks, make-up and panyhose", and you know that how?
When people steal steaks they call that "Cattle Rustling."


Cause I wants to look good when I has you over for a bbq!

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 8:33:02 AM   
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They put signs up like that so that when they observe someone on the eye-in-the-sky surveillance camera packing their oversized handbag full of steaks, make-up, and pantyhose, they CAN stop them and search them without hearing all that "you've violating my rights" crap.....and that IS crap when it's used to justify doing something illegal.

Personally, I have nothing to hide in my personal belongings. I think it sucks that because of shoplifting and stealing, it has to come to that. Maybe we should direct our anger at the lowlife's who are the cause for rules and policies like this? They are the ones who cause the prices to go up to offset the cost of the losses.


Right. The store management.

The ONLY crime that door checks limit, it when the EMPLOYEE at the register works with a friend to "Pretend" to checkout a bag full of items.

Having receipts checked at the door limits the ability of THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES to steal from them. Nothing more.

EVERY time they demand to see your receipt they are accusing you of working in collusion with one of their employees.

In the event that anyone has Probable Cause to suspect a shoplifter, Shopkeepers Privilege dictates that they can detain the suspect until it's cleared up. That's not under dispute.



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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 8:35:29 AM   
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You OWN your car, so in THEORY, you have an absolute right to do with your PROPERTY as you choose.

HOWEVER, you have AGREED to go by a stricter standard, that of the VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.

You agreed when you signed the registration and license forms.


You can get out of that actually....there is some number thingy you have to put after your signature and write "under duress" in the signature box too....then you can get your license without having to give up your rights. there is also a paper you have to fill out when you do it when you get your license. Id have to go ask the guys about the exact info on it if anyone is really interested though, but a good number of folks around this area are doing it now....



I suppose the problem there would be the endless arguments with the Cops, about how they don't recognize your valid papers, because it's not what they're used to seeing.

Sometimes, a clean set of paperwork is worth it's weight in gold. Getting the SS Wannabes to STFU and Go Away is a valid purpose in having clean papers.

Of course, in the USA we used to pride ourselves on not being surveilled and controlled to such a degree.

Not anything to be proud of there, these days.


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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 8:45:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

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You OWN your car, so in THEORY, you have an absolute right to do with your PROPERTY as you choose.

HOWEVER, you have AGREED to go by a stricter standard, that of the VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.

You agreed when you signed the registration and license forms.


You can get out of that actually....there is some number thingy you have to put after your signature and write "under duress" in the signature box too....then you can get your license without having to give up your rights. there is also a paper you have to fill out when you do it when you get your license. Id have to go ask the guys about the exact info on it if anyone is really interested though, but a good number of folks around this area are doing it now....


the "under duress" thing- i once used but no longer use. it seemed it drew unecessary attn to me.

the siren can go off- at a stores exit- but the store can not detain you.  false arrest- detainment.

just last week i was in a big store. i wanted a closer look at an item high up on the shelf. well it slipped and crashed to teh floor. the understaffed store did not notice nor did i mention the broken item. [it was chained down, yet on close out]

at one time- or maybe it was the area- but if you did not buy anything- that was suspicioun.

recently i wanted a raincheck on cereal that was sold out. so i brought the chelf tag to the courtesy booth. the clerk told me i was not suppose to do that.  [sue me]  1/2 the workers have no clue what they sell what ilse it is in, if the item contains sacarin, MSG, corn dirivatives.  tho- corporate treats em like shit - so i get it.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 9:16:26 AM   
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depends on where you live, but most traffic violations are ordinances, not actual laws.....in order to be fined for an ordinance, they have to get your signature. Next time you get stopped by a LEO for a ticket, ask him what happens if you refuse to sign, he'll most likely tell you you will go immediatly to jail. Then sign  "under duress all rights reserved UCC 1-207"

Ever wonder why when you go to court the first thing they ask you to do is to waive your rights by signing different forms? If they ask you to sign, its red flag time, meaning do your homework first. If they could do it to you without a signature, they would, period.

How come if you murder someone in front of an LEO, he dont ask you to sign something? Hmmmm. There's a law that says Do not Murder, Thats why.

Theres a difference between laws and ordinances. Law says No Signature Required. Ordinances say: Sign Here, join our payment club. Most LEO's (No disrespect intended) are just glorified meter maids selling their product.




What exactly do you believe you will obtain with that technique?  You are signing a promise to appear (or send money in some cases), not a confession, and if you break that promise, it won't matter whether you wanted to sign or not. If you do appear, how you were compelled to appear shouldn't be a factor in determining guilt or innocence.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 9:22:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't had alot of problems at Costco, but I recently stopped shopping at walmart in favor of Kmart and Target after an incident.  I went to walmart in a VERY short skirt which I had purchased AT WALMART.  An employee actually attempted to force me to leave. She told me I either had to buy a pair of pants and change or leave. Now, I'm a lady, I know how to move in a short skirt so that I don't flash someone's kid.  I was furious and finally was able to demand a store manager.  (I've worked retail and I know that only a manager and a security staff member can ask you to leave or escort you out.)  By the time I found a manager the employee had disappeared and had to be hunted down.  The store manager did try to accuse me at one point of "attempting to coerce customers".  I was so mad I unzipped my skirt and made her look at the tag.  I told her point blank that if walmart doesn't like a 30 year old woman wearing a short skirt that THEY SELL, then they shouldn't be selling them at all, much less the tube tops or micro minis for 6 year olds.  I am very confused, they can dress my 8 year old like a hooker, but I can't dress sexy for an outing with my partner??? 

Anyway, I like the atmosphere at Target and Kmart.  The employees are friendlier and seem like they are treated better.  Sure, they're a bit more expensive.  But I would rather pay .25c more on a gallon of milk or $1 more on a pair of pants and actually be treated well then give another dime to walmart. 

Although occassionally I go to Walmart in my short skirt that I bought there just to be my bratty self. 

Unfortunately, I live in a very suburban area and there aren't any mom and pop type stores for stuff like household goods and things.  I doubt very much that I would submit to any kind of personal belongings search without a warrent and probable cause.  And a lawsuit for illegal detainment would probably be my next step.

Lady Scarlet

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 10:11:48 AM   
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Farglebargle:

Estring is just regurgitating ditto-head speak. Confusing natural with fictitious persons is a mistake only someone completely ignorant of the meaning of different legal statuses could make. And, of course, the corporations love these fundamental misunderstandings because it allows them to get away with so much more than they ever did before.

I'll just go out on a limb and suggest that anyone that thinks corporations should have the same rights as natural persons also believes that we are in dire need of tort reform.

You know, because the common law is so stupid after all...




So in other words, if I decide to start a business, I suddenly have less rights than if I hadn't started that business? Who do you think runs corporations? Martians? They are US citizens.
In reality, the government has meddled so much in our lives that private business have lost the right to run their business as they see fit anyway.
Your consistency at making no sense amazes me.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 10:30:33 AM   
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Farglebargle:

Estring is just regurgitating ditto-head speak. Confusing natural with fictitious persons is a mistake only someone completely ignorant of the meaning of different legal statuses could make. And, of course, the corporations love these fundamental misunderstandings because it allows them to get away with so much more than they ever did before.

I'll just go out on a limb and suggest that anyone that thinks corporations should have the same rights as natural persons also believes that we are in dire need of tort reform.

You know, because the common law is so stupid after all...




So in other words, if I decide to start a business, I suddenly have less rights than if I hadn't started that business?


NO. That is incorrect. When you start a business YOU have exactly the same rights you've always had.

When you create an ARTIFICIAL LEGAL ENTITY (ALE) , that ALE has *NO* Rights.

ALE's have only privileges permitted or proscribed by Regulation. In other words, the Incorporated Entity is NOT YOU, and doesn't have ANY of your rights.

Are the projected benefits of Incorporation greater than the liabilities caused? That is for the individual to decide.

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Who do you think runs corporations? Martians? They are US citizens.



Officers. And, their actions AS OFFICERS of the Corporation are *NOT* protected, like their RIGHTS as Real People.

If they don't like the rules, they can dissolve the ALE, return assets to the investors and good luck with their next try.

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In reality, the government has meddled so much in our lives that private business have lost the right to run their business as they see fit anyway.
Your consistency at making no sense amazes me.


Tell that to the dead miners and rescue workers.



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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 10:39:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you don't like it, don't go. There are sooo many other grocery places : kroger, scotts, meijers, walmart, Sam's club, shopnstop, stopngo, shaws, etc.etc.etc.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 10:54:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Estring, in reality Corporations can be run by citizens of various nations.  British Petroluem is a huge employer in my state.  That Corparation is not run by American citizens.

farg is right, Corparations do have to obey the law and regulation, they do not hold inaliable rights.   farg just keeps confusing what he wishes the regulations (same goes for the text of the Consittuion, law in general, and history) were, with what they actually are.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 11:24:03 AM   
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If you don't like it, don't go. There are sooo many other grocery places : kroger, scotts, meijers, walmart, Sam's club, shopnstop, stopngo, shaws, etc.etc.etc.


Some places have fewer options.

And why should I have to change what I wish to do when in reality the store shouldn't be asking me to waive any of my rights just to do business with them. As mentioned already, if they have any suspicion of wrong doing they can hold someone under the strict guidelines of shopkeeper's privilege. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege

In terms of the OP, I was thinking about others really. I rarely have the need to enter a store with a backpack or briefcase and I don't carry a purse. But I have found that most women are not that keen to have people snooping about in their purses. I mean, would you really let them search a backpack, briefcase, or purse without any reasonable suspicion whatever? I doubt that very much.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 11:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh come on.  Suppose "running their business any way they see fit" includes not serving minorities.  Should be A-OK, right?  Just don't go there, right?

Businesses aren't allowed to run their business "any way they see fit" any more than we are allowed to run our own lives "any way we see fit."  We live in a society of laws.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

For all you so called "freedom" lovers, shouldn't a private enterprise have the right to run their business any way they see fit? If you don't like the way they do business, don't shop there. Seems simple to me.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 11:39:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		They'll meet 'neath that giant Costco sign that brings this fair city light. (?WTF?)


That's right, folks.....you can't do just anything you want, the havoc is not to be considered.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 4:10:50 PM   
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For all you so called "freedom" lovers, shouldn't a private enterprise have the right to run their business any way they see fit? If you don't like the way they do business, don't shop there. Seems simple to me.


Estring:
All of us so called "freedom lovers" went to school and studied the constitution and discovered that business owners are just like other citizens.  They, like the rest of us, are required to follow the law.
Now if you do not like the constitution perhaps you might want to live someplace else.  Before you leave, make sure you get permission to leave...it is called a passport.
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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 6:44:43 PM   
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Oh come on.  Suppose "running their business any way they see fit" includes not serving minorities.  Should be A-OK, right?  Just don't go there, right?


Yes.

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We live in a society of laws.


Legislation does not equal justice. Stalin had laws. Pol Pot had laws. Mao Zedong had laws. Laws are cheap, and they consolidate power. Separating right from wrong is incidental at best.

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RE: Costco sign - 9/7/2007 6:58:42 PM   
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One of the reasons that I shop at Costco is because they treat their employees very well.
Before I joined I was reading an article about how they pay a lot of their employees, "$18 per hour plus full benefits".
I figure that if I'm going to be spending my money at a business I want that business to take care of their employees.
I was talking to the guy who rounds up the shopping carts in the parking lot at our local Costco and he told me that the full time employees who work on sundays make $27 per hour.
And, everytime I've ever asked for assistance from anyone there they've been very helpful!
You can buy things in bulk and save money by shopping there.
I always use their gas station too, the gas is about .13-.15 cents per gallon cheaper there than at the local gas stations.


I didn't know that much about Costco, because we don't have them here.  Wal-Mart pretty much owns this state.  We lost our K-Mart a few years ago.  We have Alco and Target as the only comparable stores.  I just found an article about Costco where they talk about the high pay of their employees. 
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/costco_vs_sams.php

I am genuinely amazed by it.  I know a lot of people that work for Wal-Mart and Sam's Club in comparable jobs, and they won't ever make that much.  Wal-Mart is notorious for having a high turn over rate, and their shitty pay is the biggest reason.  I wish we had a Costco now that I have read into it.  The closest one is in Memphis.


From that link:

quote:

Costco's average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Sam's Club. And Costco's health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish. One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco "it's better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder."


Seeing that...... makes me think that's a big part of what's wrong, nowadays. Fuck Wall St.

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